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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 10, 2017 16:17:23 GMT -5
Latest (proposed) enrollment figures for 2017-18: www.ohsaa.org/school-resources/school-enrollment797 - Whitmer 612 - Findlay 461 - Fremont Ross 438 - St. John's Jesuit 414 - Clay 401 - Lima Senior 383 - St. Francis De Sales 235 - Central Catholic |
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Post by shadowking on Feb 10, 2017 17:41:18 GMT -5
What's comical when looking at these numbers is the fact that Central is the smallest school in the league yet they have been the most dominant football school. Fremont is the 3rd largest TRAC school yet can't finish higher than 7th in football. Yep everything seems to be working here...
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Post by areafan1 on Feb 10, 2017 21:16:08 GMT -5
Central cheats their count so bad.
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Post by Keith on Feb 11, 2017 9:41:17 GMT -5
What's comical when looking at these numbers is the fact that Central is the smallest school in the league yet they have been the most dominant football school. Fremont is the 3rd largest TRAC school yet can't finish higher than 7th in football. Yep everything seems to be working here... For Ross 461 is an increase of 25 over the last count. I get your point on Central Catholic and their being the smallest school. But more importantly, Ross is the third biggest school in the league and is almost always a lower division team in every sport. Why? |
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Post by shadowking on Feb 11, 2017 19:59:29 GMT -5
What's comical when looking at these numbers is the fact that Central is the smallest school in the league yet they have been the most dominant football school. Fremont is the 3rd largest TRAC school yet can't finish higher than 7th in football. Yep everything seems to be working here... But more importantly, Ross is the third biggest school in the league and is almost always a lower division team in every sport. Why? Not sure what you're getting at? |
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Post by Keith on Feb 13, 2017 9:31:05 GMT -5
But more importantly, Ross is the third biggest school in the league and is almost always a lower division team in every sport. Why? Not sure what you're getting at? What I mean is that considering that we're the third biggest school in the conference, why, with a few exceptions, do we suck in this league. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 15:01:49 GMT -5
Just because you have a lot of students, doesn't mean you will produce. There are plenty of schools that have solid numbers but students don't play sports or just don't have the mental toughness to do it. I think it comes down to coaching. It may take a few years but I am sure Long will get Fremont on the right track. However, they will never be able to compete with the big boys in the TRAC for obvious reasons. (Recruiting)
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 11, 2017 12:04:07 GMT -5
3rd biggest, but considerably smaller than the top 2, and socioeconomically disadvantaged compared to those two, and others in this Conference....minus Lima.
Streak, I'm not sure one can state coaching.
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Post by kingmartinez on Mar 11, 2017 16:26:59 GMT -5
Fremont wants out of TRAC like something mad. Not sure they are going to find a home unless the NLL comes calling. SBC isn't having it.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 14, 2017 10:59:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the NLL wants them. Next opening goes to Clay, no ifs, ands, nor buts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:06:56 GMT -5
Fremont is experiencing a increase in crime, drug overdoses you name it.Yes ross has 460 some boys,so what, they are what they are. Numbers are still 45-50 varsity .Nobody wants to go thru trac meatgtinder. Central has my deepest respect, Coach Dempsey is best h.s coach in Ohio period.He gets more out of Kids and talent levels its crazy. I think socioeconomically with lima and economically ross ranks near bottom of trac economically and it hurts.IMO if I did it over I would suggest Catholic school or Christian school or small community bring up a family.Catholic schools provide top notch education and Christian schools.
Public schools are feeling it. I look at the sandwisch kid from woodmore who is at west Virginia now but left wopdmore his Jr year to go to TCC.Better education if you can do it. My nephew stud rb/ mlb at woodmore soph.Hes gonna stay at woodmore finish.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:16:39 GMT -5
Reality is reality I don't like saying central is great and Dempsey is a good coach, but they are.Do they cheat counts? Not sure but there good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 21:48:34 GMT -5
Fremont lost its program somewhere! ! In 2005 thru 2011 Ross was back on track. Than 2011-2012 kidell started his drama and problems getting suspended in 2011.Personal issues came to surface.He gets fired, yeast is hired right away people complained he yelled too much at kids, others said he just cared about getting Russ exposed. Fans didn't like him.Than Johnny alridge ross long time assistant coach for football gets prison for sex with a minor. Revolving door of assistant coaches, just a mess the program is. I think Ross is stuck in s conference it don't want to be in but I think past conference moves finally caught up with Fremont. I agree with maple the sbc does not want Ross and either does NLL.if a team goes its clay! And You wanna know why you can't win with 460 kids.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 18:27:51 GMT -5
Ross used to get 70 some kids in GBC years under kidwell. Under trac years no not even close.Like my boys say kids don't want to get smashed.I don't blame them Ross could've gone to city league I was told way back but trac.I don't understand trac logic.I suggested money reasons IDK.As it stands coach long has his hands full literally ..Catholic schools are taking advantage of common core in public schools and kids are starting to figure out a quality educationis at a Catholic school.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 6:10:34 GMT -5
For good measure on how Ross is down from last 2 decades.I did a study last year and found during 90's Ross was a average 7-3 program and up there with fostoria in GLL.In early 2000's decade Ross was 6-4 average between 2001-2010 in GBC. But many of ross''s wins that decade were against weaker opponents like Marion and lima and sandusky. Since 2011 Ross is a 3-7 program in TRAC yearly average.Fans are not coming to games weekly basis.There's 3 games a year fans will come fill,that's sandusky, findlay, sometimes whitmer. I hope the best for Fremont going forward good luck
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Post by coachray on Apr 4, 2017 9:59:11 GMT -5
As stated above, Ross is down for many reasons. Enrollment is misleading though. Out of the 461 boys in the three grades, my guess is 200 or less actually participate in a sport. And for the 235 for Central Catholic, probably all 235 participate in some type of extra curricular activity. In an ideal world for Fremont and Clay, the NLL would expand to 10 teams. But it isn't logical.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 5:21:47 GMT -5
The only move Ross has, is SBC. I do believe at some point down the road, maybe 5 years maybe more but they will get invite.NLL is a no go from what I understand.A move to SBC would be a financial windfall for Fremont, the gates would be bigger than now.I can see bay and lake division of SBC add 2 schools each.Great to speculate though !
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Post by seaofblue on Apr 5, 2017 9:13:14 GMT -5
Fremont is experiencing a increase in crime, drug overdoses you name it.Yes ross has 460 some boys,so what, they are what they are. Numbers are still 45-50 varsity .Nobody wants to go thru trac meatgtinder. Central has my deepest respect, Coach Dempsey is best h.s coach in Ohio period.He gets more out of Kids and talent levels its crazy. I think socioeconomically with lima and economically ross ranks near bottom of trac economically and it hurts.IMO if I did it over I would suggest Catholic school or Christian school or small community bring up a family.Catholic schools provide top notch education and Christian schools. Public schools are feeling it. I look at the sandwisch kid from woodmore who is at west Virginia now but left wopdmore his Jr year to go to TCC.Better education if you can do it. My nephew stud rb/ mlb at woodmore soph.Hes gonna stay at woodmore finish. You can give him his props, but best in Ohio? Get real. CCHS might be the smallest number in terms of enrollment, but every boy that touches the field is there for one reason, to play football. The last 5 years they were so much more talented than any other school it was insane. They have 90% of all the good football players in the city. Then they play in D3! They wouldn't have been close to sniffing a D1 title, with handfuls of D1 college players. I admire Dempsey for sustaining a program for as long as he ways, but I don't think coaching on Friday nights is the biggest reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 18:23:09 GMT -5
Sea of blue .......I thought same you did when my kids played that Dempsey was as good as his talent.What Ive learned is YES he gets talent but he constantly year in year out gets most out of that talent.Sometimes a school will have ego problems with talent like centrals,and struggle.His longtime DC just retired a fee years back, he was with Dempsey since 2001
Last time Fremont beat central was 2005 when central won state. It took an Aaron opelt tackle of Dane zanzenbacher from scoring preserve Ross win.Been awhile.Dempsey and nasonti of bellevue are oldest area coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 18:31:12 GMT -5
Div 3 football statewide is brutal.Central consistantly beats st.Johns, whitmer, findlay, st Francis, Fremont all bigger in trac to prep for playoffs . Schools like trotwood Madison,pr ASVM will battle for title.
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Post by seaofblue on Apr 6, 2017 9:36:04 GMT -5
Div 3 football statewide is brutal.Central consistantly beats st.Johns, whitmer, findlay, st Francis, Fremont all bigger in trac to prep for playoffs . Schools like trotwood Madison,pr ASVM will battle for title. They consistently have far superior talent than those schools too. When SJ and Whitmer had close to equal talent 2008-2012, they were beating CCHS. Since 2013, CCHS has been head and shoulders above the rest of the league on a talent scale. Central deserves credit for that, because if it was easy, SF and SJ wouldn't be in the position they are in. Central could punt on 1st down every time and make it to regional finals every year. Fremont and Findlay have no choice but to out coach and out scheme teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 17:17:10 GMT -5
Why is Central Catholic in D3 if their adjusted enrollment is 455?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 18:06:40 GMT -5
Nevermind I found the answer myself. TCC base enrollment would of had them in D4. You can only be moved up one division when adding your CB number. In my opinion that defeats the purpose of it.
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Post by seaofblue on Apr 7, 2017 7:06:50 GMT -5
Nevermind I found the answer myself. TCC base enrollment would of had them in D4. You can only be moved up one division when adding your CB number. In my opinion that defeats the purpose of it. There is no purpose of it...it did really nothing other than take some heat off the OHSAA for a second. |
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Post by maplecityjake on Apr 10, 2017 12:48:19 GMT -5
. Fremont and Findlay have no choice but to out coach and out scheme teams. Seemed like yesterday when Fremont did exactly that, and routinely beat these teams. Nowadays, forget about it.  |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 12, 2017 13:01:10 GMT -5
Nevermind I found the answer myself. TCC base enrollment would of had them in D4. You can only be moved up one division when adding your CB number. In my opinion that defeats the purpose of it. There is no purpose of it...it did really nothing other than take some heat off the OHSAA for a second. Assuming all remains the same, in 2 years they will be moved up another Division |
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