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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 1, 2017 15:19:52 GMT -5
it's not a rarity for Ontario to win District Titles. You're not good at answering questions or doing research. Here's your as*ignment, tell us how many. 0 in the Division they are playing in.. Others were won "in the Division they were playing in". 67% of the years were in a different Division. A team CAN NOT win a single game in a Division they ARE NOT playing in. Their best teams, with the best players were in the 67%. The pile of BS continues to grow. Where are the answers the many questions I've asked you? You PROMISED they would be forthcoming.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 1, 2017 15:23:40 GMT -5
There was no basketball at Ontario pre Balogh. So just the past 27 years after his program was established. Also 4 runner-ups.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 1, 2017 20:47:21 GMT -5
Blah, blah, blah 0-8 in D2 Blah blah 0-9 in D2 or AA...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 1, 2017 21:05:02 GMT -5
You obliterate 67% of Balogh's years, when he had his best teams and ALL of his 1st or 2nd team All Ohio players, 47-22 in those years. How about we eliminate just one year of Coach Gray's teams?
Where is the list of my questions AND answers you promised?? blah, blah, blah doesn't make you sound to bright.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 1, 2017 21:24:21 GMT -5
You obliterate 67% of Balogh's years, when he had his best teams and ALL of his 1st or 2nd team All Ohio players, 47-22 in those years. How about we eliminate just one year of Coach Gray's teams? Where is the list of my questions AND answers you promised?? blah, blah, blah doesn't make you sound to bright. I have said and stand by the fact that Joe runs a solid program. However the fact that they are 0-9 in D2 or AA is a mystery... They have had enough talent as is evident by their regular season exploits it just seems that the second season, when it matters they fall short. For instance Steve Gray at Norwalk and others (Keith Diebler, Mike Smith, Bob Haas-successful at both) have equal or BETTER records in the season that matters, while JB whether D2 or D3 is NOT as successful in the season that matters... This is not a condemnation Charles Barkley was a great bball player, Dan Marino was a great fball player. However they will NEVER be mistaken for LBJ or Tom Brady much like Joe unless he breaks through...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 1, 2017 22:25:10 GMT -5
No "mystery" if you do the research. The "talent" the years in DII was not up to par with the other 67%. Six 1st or 2nd string All-Ohio players in the 67%, ZERO 1st or 2nd string All-Ohio players in the 33%. In 6 of those 8 years you blah blah blah about those teams lost 37 games. An average of 6 losses/year playing in the ITSY BITSY NCC, is hardly District Championship worthy material.
What seasons "matter"?? Seasons you have All-Ohio players? Seasons you have Div.1 players? Seasons when there are only 2 or 3 above average teams in a District. Seasons when there are no Dieblers, Falk, Dials, Willoughby, Lillo, Burma, Robinson, Hunter, Harraway, Thomas, Feich, Sanderson, Howell, Zahn, Yaussy? Can you name any Ontario player that fit on that list in the 8 blah blah blah years?
Don't be so silly to compare ANYONE around here to Bob Haas years. If you would learn to control yourself, I would never mention this. Coach Gray and Norwalk had a great year when they won a State Title. Outside of that year in his other 14 years at Norwalk Gray is 19-13 in the tournament at Norwalk. That's less than 1 1/2 wins and 1 loss Per Year. How is that doing what "matters"?
When are you gonna stop blathering and produce a list of the MANY questions I've asked and you failed to answer....LIKE YOU PROMISED??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 23:31:27 GMT -5
You obliterate 67% of Balogh's years, when he had his best teams and ALL of his 1st or 2nd team All Ohio players, 47-22 in those years. How about we eliminate just one year of Coach Gray's teams? Where is the list of my questions AND answers you promised?? blah, blah, blah doesn't make you sound to bright. I have said and stand by the fact that Joe runs a solid program. However the fact that they are 0-9 in D2 or AA is a mystery... They have had enough talent as is evident by their regular season exploits it just seems that the second season, when it matters they fall short. For instance Steve Gray at Norwalk and others (Keith Diebler, Mike Smith, Bob Haas-successful at both) have equal or BETTER records in the season that matters, while JB whether D2 or D3 is NOT as successful in the season that matters... This is not a condemnation Charles Barkley was a great bball player, Dan Marino was a great fball player. However they will NEVER be mistaken for LBJ or Tom Brady much like Joe unless he breaks through... port, Ontario is 46-31 under current coach in tournament play (not counting this season since it has not ended) In 10 years of D2 or AA = 6-10 In 21 years of D3 = 40-21 - during 10 of the 21 years Ontario either went 1-1 or 0-1 - the statement could be made that over the last 31 years only 11 years(or 35%) have been above par in tournament. So 65% of Ontario's tournament runs have been below par in the last 31 years. Using the exact same 31 years for Norwalk. They have gone 38-29 in tournaments. during the same 10 years = 17-9 in the other 21 years = 21-20 (2 of them were in D1) - in 13 of the 21 seasons the Truckers went 1-1 or 0-1 in tournaments. - the statement could be made that over the last 31 years only 12 years(or 39%) have been above par in tournament. So 61% of Norwalk's tournament runs have been below par in the last 31 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 7:43:40 GMT -5
How about we use the topic for what is was started for?
Also when doesn't someone start a thread on Ontario basketball so people can debate how overrated the program is all they want
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 10:01:55 GMT -5
The previous post was about tournament games.
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Post by Skip Bayless on Mar 2, 2017 11:35:02 GMT -5
It will be interesting how district Joe team does against vermilion if they come out like they did in their last game we may have to rethink district To sectional.
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 2, 2017 13:43:02 GMT -5
It will be interesting how district Joe team does against vermilion if they come out like they did in their last game we may have to rethink district To sectional. As WF said, they have been below avg this year. They have the talent to upset a few teams, but are not deep on the bench ..
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2017 15:51:40 GMT -5
It will be interesting how district Joe team does against vermilion if they come out like they did in their last game we may have to rethink district To sectional. Skip, you once again you show your lack of knowledge concerning local sports. Stick to the National level. Vermilion is the higher seed. Those at the seeding meeting, who know WAY more than you, said Vermilion should win this game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2017 17:49:42 GMT -5
It will be interesting how district Joe team does against vermilion if they come out like they did in their last game we may have to rethink district To sectional. As WF said, they have been below avg this year. They have the talent to upset a few teams, but are not deep on the bench .. The exact quote would be, "Just above average, by Balogh standards."
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Post by portwalk on Mar 2, 2017 21:58:53 GMT -5
Just amazes me how WF begins making excuses before the tournament even begins. A slightly above average JB team??? Then you seem to try and justify, or prepare for the worst by viewing Vermillion who sits at 17-5 playing in the SBC and seeded one spot above 18-5 Ontario somehow superior to OHS due to coaches voting one a 3 and the other a 4???
I really hope OHS gets the D2 monkey off their back for JB, and yourself it appears to be weighing on you... I can tell you other than yourself many folks would not be surprised to see OHS advance to regionals. The District is very even, with NO clear cut favorite in my opinion, yet in the WF world they have little to no chance... I just don't get it.
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 2, 2017 22:46:47 GMT -5
Fillmore said that a long time ago. Seems like your the only one that hasn't paid attention.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2017 1:27:33 GMT -5
Just amazes me how WF begins making excuses before the tournament even begins. A slightly above average JB team??? Then you seem to try and justify, or prepare for the worst by viewing Vermillion who sits at 17-5 playing in the SBC and seeded one spot above 18-5 Ontario somehow superior to OHS due to coaches voting one a 3 and the other a 4??? I really hope OHS gets the D2 monkey off their back for JB, and yourself it appears to be weighing on you... I can tell you other than yourself many folks would not be surprised to see OHS advance to regionals. The District is very even, with NO clear cut favorite in my opinion, yet in the WF world they have little to no chance... I just don't get it. There are a lot of things you just don't get. Facts are one, simians another. Most of all, how to be a man instead of mouse The same insults over and over again. Discounting your hate for me has gone unchecked for 3 long years, since the big upset that ended Norwalk's LONG winning streak and the only tarnish on their brilliant State Championship season. Which seems to be turning you into a cranky old man. Let it go. The put downs of Vermilion persists as they MUST be beaten, just because they play in the SBC. Be a man, when are you going to fulfill your PROMISE?? When are you going to step up? ANSWER the many questions I have asked and you have refused to answer. Are you afraid answers will make you look bad? There's another question, see the (?). Answer it with the others. The WF world is the world of truth and honesty, pure with no hate.
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 3, 2017 18:48:03 GMT -5
Ontario-22 Vermillion-22 half
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 3, 2017 19:26:41 GMT -5
Ontario up 10 2 minutes left
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Post by raja on Mar 3, 2017 19:35:03 GMT -5
Wow 22-22 at the half ? now the sailors down 10 --- good defense i guess
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 3, 2017 19:38:19 GMT -5
Ontario-48 Vermillion-44 F
Vermillion got it down to 4 twice late. Ontario missed a few free throws and Vermilion hit a couple 3s.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 3, 2017 20:22:46 GMT -5
NOL
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 3, 2017 20:43:31 GMT -5
Perkins-59 Huron-40 F
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 3, 2017 20:47:01 GMT -5
Sandusky-28 Bellevue-22 half
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 3, 2017 20:50:25 GMT -5
Lex-22 Norwalk-17 half
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2017 20:53:00 GMT -5
Ontario-48 Vermillion-44 F Vermillion got it down to 4 twice late. Ontario missed a few free throws and Vermilion hit a couple 3s. Vermilion was up by 9 in the first quarter when they lived by the 3, got down by as many as 12 in the 4th quarter when they died by the 3. They lost due to only making 5 of 24 3-pointers, Ontario made 4 of 8 3-pointers. Both teams made 51% of their 2-pointers. Vermilion didn't look like the same team Ontario played last year in the tournament. Very deliberated on offense, didn't look to run, only token full court pressure until end of the 4th quarter. But very tough half court man defense and sound fundamental team. Even though a couple of their starters didn't look very athletic they were.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 3, 2017 21:37:25 GMT -5
Sandusky 65 Bellevue 53 Final
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 3, 2017 21:42:01 GMT -5
Lex-49 Norwalk-41 F
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 3, 2017 21:43:24 GMT -5
Western Reserve 58 Willard 56 Final
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 3, 2017 21:45:08 GMT -5
Margaretta 60 Crestview 45 Final Edison 72 Bucyrus 40 Final
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 3, 2017 21:55:37 GMT -5
North Baltimore 74 New Riegel 62 Final
Old Fort 53 Calvert 35 Final
Arlington 67 SJCC 44 Final
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