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Post by jmorgret07 on Jun 1, 2017 11:16:09 GMT -5
OHSAA moves all football playoff games to Friday nights in fall until the state championships. Your thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 11:22:47 GMT -5
I'm assuming if it is a shared stadium (Stobel Field) the private school will play on Saturday?
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Post by mcm1019 on Jun 1, 2017 11:43:04 GMT -5
Do they really have enough officials to pull that off? Or should I say enough "quality" officials?
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Post by galion on Jun 1, 2017 21:38:38 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe that officials are assigned multiple playoff games in a weekend as it is. That being said, this would seem to me to potentially have a negative effect on attendance since fans can no longer attend multiple playoff games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 7:15:54 GMT -5
I like it. Friday nights are meant for high school sports. I've never enjoyed going to a game on a Saturday night.
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Post by mcm1019 on Jun 2, 2017 7:46:15 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe that officials are assigned multiple playoff games in a weekend as it is. That being said, this would seem to me to potentially have a negative effect on attendance since fans can no longer attend multiple playoff games. I just assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that some guys worked on Friday and then would work again on Saturday. If that's not the case, then I guess it wouldn't be an issue. So if a public/private play at the same field and both qualify to host, then somebody would have to play on Saturday. And I agree on the downside of not allowing fans to attend multiple games each weekend.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 2, 2017 10:29:59 GMT -5
I like the move to Friday exclusively. For many of the fans, Saturday creates conflicts for those who wish to attend a collegiate game. High School playoffs will own Friday nights and no more conflicts with college football......good decision.
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Post by galion on Jun 2, 2017 12:56:12 GMT -5
It also potentially eases the conflict for schools that have both their Volleyball and football teams make long postseason runs.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 2, 2017 17:44:30 GMT -5
If one winner played on Friday and another winner played on Saturday. Then the following week, when the two teams play, someone has an extra day to prepare.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 2, 2017 20:34:40 GMT -5
If one winner played on Friday and another winner played on Saturday. Then the following week, when the two teams play, someone has an extra day to prepare. Good point and I've heard coaches beef about that very thing. In the playoffs, when two teams have never met before and they don't receive the game films till late Sunday night or perhaps Monday, that extra day of preparation and practice is huge.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 20:55:24 GMT -5
If one winner played on Friday and another winner played on Saturday. Then the following week, when the two teams play, someone has an extra day to prepare. Good point and I've heard coaches beef about that very thing. In the playoffs, when two teams have never met before and they don't receive the game films till late Sunday night or perhaps Monday, that extra day of preparation and practice is huge. Not sure how that extra day is really that big. Most schools will watch tape Saturday morning of the game the night before. All 4 coaching staffs would be able to take in the game of the other 2. The extra day is mute
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Post by clydesbcfan on Jun 2, 2017 21:39:11 GMT -5
With Hudl, games can be exchanged as early as Friday night after the week 10 game. It's really not an issue anymore
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 3, 2017 3:23:41 GMT -5
With Hudl, games can be exchanged as early as Friday night after the week 10 game. It's really not an issue anymore Never factored in how games can now be exchanged electronically. My mindset was still with the old, manual exchanges. An extra day is an extra day, anyway you look at it and most of my coaching friends never failed to bemoan the fact, everytime it effected them.
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Post by Keith on Jun 3, 2017 9:10:38 GMT -5
I like the move to Friday exclusively. For many of the fans, Saturday creates conflicts for those who wish to attend a collegiate game. High School playoffs will own Friday nights and no more conflicts with college football......good decision. Except that college football plays on Friday nights too.
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Post by clydesbcfan on Jun 3, 2017 10:03:53 GMT -5
With Hudl, games can be exchanged as early as Friday night after the week 10 game. It's really not an issue anymore Never factored in how games can now be exchanged electronically. My mindset was still with the old, manual exchanges. An extra day is an extra day, anyway you look at it and most of my coaching friends never failed to bemoan the fact, everytime it effected them. Coaching and technology has changed drastically, especially since our playoff run in 2005. We would have 5-6 VCR's setup making copies of tape, after we finally got an exchange. Then spent all day Sunday watching film and trying to get a grasp on what our opponent was trying to do. Now with Hudl, time has been reduced so much. We even send our film out as soon as we get it and we get a breakdown of the games by the time we need it. Saves so much time breaking down all the tendencies. The game has changed so much in short time.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 3, 2017 13:04:48 GMT -5
I like the move to Friday exclusively. For many of the fans, Saturday creates conflicts for those who wish to attend a collegiate game. High School playoffs will own Friday nights and no more conflicts with college football......good decision. Except that college football plays on Friday nights too. True, but very spotty. By and large, Friday nights are the exclusivity of high school football, as is Saturday college football day and Sunday is the realm of the pro game. All three entities have basically respected the others moment of the week, as it should be.
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Post by Skip Bayless on Jun 4, 2017 8:55:06 GMT -5
If one winner played on Friday and another winner played on Saturday. Then the following week, when the two teams play, someone has an extra day to prepare. great but are you preparing for both teams? most teams are exchanging film via HUDL. all 4 teams have opportunity to go scout live each other. so who holds an advantage? not sure about your school, but most in our neck of the woods go over their last game with the kids on saturday morning, and prepare for the next team on monday. with sunday being an off day. so if there is any advantage at all its the extra day rest for the teams that played on friday. not really an issue to me
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Post by Keith on Jun 4, 2017 9:55:17 GMT -5
Except that college football plays on Friday nights too. True, but very spotty. By and large, Friday nights are the exclusivity of high school football, as is Saturday college football day and Sunday is the realm of the pro game. All three entities have basically respected the others moment of the week, as it should be. Basically, but not completely. Back in the stone age when I was in school, Friday night was just for high school ball. But that changed long ago when the NCAA decided to begin Friday night play. Beginning this season the Big 10 will play Friday night games with this schedule... .Big Ten schools announced football games to be televised in Friday primetime during the 2017 season. The games, which will be televised by ESPN and FOX, are as follows: Fri., Sept. 1 Washington at Rutgers Fri., Sept. 1 Utah State at Wisconsin Fri., Sept. 8 Ohio at Purdue Fri., Sept. 29 Nebraska at Illinois Fri., Oct. 13 Northwestern at Maryland Fri., Oct. 27 Michigan State at Northwestern It's just a matter of time before Friday night will be full of NCAA games, and high school ball, which is already becoming a shell of what it once was, will suffer even more.
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Post by usramfan on Jun 5, 2017 7:02:50 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe that officials are assigned multiple playoff games in a weekend as it is. That being said, this would seem to me to potentially have a negative effect on attendance since fans can no longer attend multiple playoff games.I agree that it could have the opposite effect. I am one of those casual fans who goes to games both nights. This change gives me more options as far as choosing a game to attend, but now the OHSAA gets only one night worth of my money instead of two.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 7:28:56 GMT -5
This does seem like a wrong move for OHSAA to make.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 5, 2017 10:50:28 GMT -5
True, but very spotty. By and large, Friday nights are the exclusivity of high school football, as is Saturday college football day and Sunday is the realm of the pro game. All three entities have basically respected the others moment of the week, as it should be. Basically, but not completely. Back in the stone age when I was in school, Friday night was just for high school ball. But that changed long ago when the NCAA decided to begin Friday night play. Beginning this season the Big 10 will play Friday night games with this schedule... .Big Ten schools announced football games to be televised in Friday primetime during the 2017 season. The games, which will be televised by ESPN and FOX, are as follows: Fri., Sept. 1 Washington at Rutgers Fri., Sept. 1 Utah State at Wisconsin Fri., Sept. 8 Ohio at Purdue Fri., Sept. 29 Nebraska at Illinois Fri., Oct. 13 Northwestern at Maryland Fri., Oct. 27 Michigan State at Northwestern It's just a matter of time before Friday night will be full of NCAA games, and high school ball, which is already becoming a shell of what it once was, will suffer even more. If you will notice, none of the games listed are of premiere interest and probably an attempt by Jim Delaney to boost the ratings of lesser billed games. I rather disagree that the college football world will overwhelm Friday night high school football, not gonna happen. "high school ball, which is already becoming a shell of what it once was".......that statement intrigues me. On what do you base your analysis on the so-called decline of high school ball?
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Post by maplecityjake on Jun 5, 2017 13:25:21 GMT -5
On what do you base your analysis on the so-called decline of high school ball? Ross not competing well in the TRAC.
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Post by Keith on Jun 5, 2017 19:26:41 GMT -5
On what do you base your analysis on the so-called decline of high school ball? Ross not competing well in the TRAC. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do to with that Jake, but good try. Sportsjock, it's just my opinion and maybe I should have said that at the time. It just seems to me that attendance is down, and people are finding other things to do on game nights than supporting their local team. I don't think it helps that the OHSAA has watered down football by expanding to seven divisions...again just my opinion.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 5, 2017 22:34:48 GMT -5
Ross not competing well in the TRAC. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do to with that Jake, but good try. Sportsjock, it's just my opinion and maybe I should have said that at the time. It just seems to me that attendance is down, and people are finding other things to do on game nights than supporting their local team. I don't think it helps that the OHSAA has watered down football by expanding to seven divisions...again just my opinion. I get your points. Not sure how valid they are though, and I respect your personal perspective. I guess I see things a bit differently. The facilities are dramatically improved over the past decade or so, with prescription turf becoming the norm, new digital graphic scoreboards, state of the art weight training facilities. Today's young athletes train, condition and play in facilities that yesterdays player could only dream about. Making the playoffs is now a reachable goal for so many more schools that had no post season incentives or dreams prior. I think expansion of the playoffs was a good move on the part of OHSAA and good for high school football in Ohio. Some will indeed look at it as 'watering down' the field, but I see it as expanding opportunities and inclusiveness for more schools to experience the excitement and joys of participating in post season competition. In the past few years I have watched some great high school football in places like Buford & Valdosta, Ga., Murfreesboro Ten. Ft. Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas & American Heritage, Tampa Plantation Plant, IMG Academy, besides all the great high school football we have in Ohio. I don't see any signs of decline from any of them, just that things seem to be elevating in sophistication and quality of play.
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Post by ScottT on Jun 6, 2017 8:40:22 GMT -5
Bad idea.
The question of quality officials working games is a legit one, and there will indeed be site issues here and there. The other negative effect? Less media coverage. If multiple teams from a radio station or newspaper's coverage area all play at the same time, some team or teams will get left out in the cold, and that's a real shame.
OHSAA says dwindling attendance at Saturday games was one factor in the switch. Personally, I think the addition of watering down the postseason with a seventh division has more to do with any decline in attendance.
There were also alleged complaints by schools about having to play postseason games on Saturdays. I'm not buying that at all. But if it's true, no one is forcing a school to play after Week 10. If you'd rather not, either your opponent wins by forfeit or the next team in line gets in. Not exactly rocket science...
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 6, 2017 11:20:25 GMT -5
Don't think quality of officials for the limited amount of games going on any particular playoff weekend vs. regular season, with games being played in virtually every community across the state. The number of crews needed is minuscule compared to the regular season.
Again, the dwindling Saturday attendance goes back to competing with the college game....guess who loses.
We all have varied opinions, but I'm confident the OHSAA did their homework and researched all the possible results of their actions on expansion. There are dozens and dozens of other states to benchmark, to arrive at a consensus.
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Post by piratefan on Jun 6, 2017 14:32:18 GMT -5
From a fan's point of view......well, THIS fan anyway................I think it sucks! I loved going to a playoff game on Friday night, then getting to go to another game on Saturday night. Now it's "pick which game you wanna see" instead of "doubling your pleasure" and having two nights of high school ball. The season is short enough and I like to attend as many games as I can.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 6, 2017 15:24:59 GMT -5
From a fan's point of view......well, THIS fan anyway................I think it sucks! I loved going to a playoff game on Friday night, then getting to go to another game on Saturday night. Now it's "pick which game you wanna see" instead of "doubling your pleasure" and having two nights of high school ball. The season is short enough and I like to attend as many games as I can. I know what you're saying, did that very thing so many times. From a die-hard fan that loves to watch good high school football, having the Friday & Saturday menu of games to pick from, has been taken away.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 5:17:57 GMT -5
Interesting ...Due to trac rotation of schedules every 4 years, Ross plays findlay after sandusky week 4 Sept.15.Per Ross football Twitter. 2 rivals back to back.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 7, 2017 5:41:48 GMT -5
Interesting ...Due to trac rotation of schedules every 4 years, Ross plays findlay after sandusky week 4 Sept.15.Per Ross football Twitter. 2 rivals back to back. Where's this years game, Don Paul or Donnell stadium? I try to make it a point to catch this game.....historically great rivalry.
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