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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 14:10:30 GMT -5
Having your head coach involved at the youth level isn't magically going to change things. Some of the youth programs have coaches involved, and some don't. And I've talked to a few varsity coaches that are involved, and it often ends up being more of a headache than anything (nothing like getting pinned down at a varsity practice, by a 4th grade parent, who wants to discuss lil' Johnny's playing time). The head coach obviously thinks it is going to help and is willing to listen to that parent that is pinning him down. There is nothing wrong with discussing issues with parents, they are obviously looking for an explanation and if things are being ran well there is a legitimate response to their concerns.The varsity coach doesn't have to be totally involved or even run the program but has to have competent coaches running it that are following his lead. The fact is they are all together moving in the head coach's direction. You will still have a few parents that try and take their child and other hand chosen ones to a special league and it should be strongly discouraged by the head coach. The coach could put his stamp on the youth program without spending hours on end with it. These are, after all his future players. The problem is when the parent thinks they have a say in the way things are done. Sign your son up, send him to the gym and cheer for him when he plays. That should be the total involvement of a parent and the programs youth league. It all seems good right now but your new coach has not coached a game for Willard yet. Give it a season or two and then we will ask if everything is still roses. My guess is some will be calling for a change just like recently. Only way to silence those people is to win.
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Post by bigox on Oct 11, 2017 17:07:11 GMT -5
That statement is just as bad as the first.😎😎. The previous coach had the exact same youth program and was involved. How is that a difference? You are obviously uninformed. The previous head coach did not have anything to do with the Willard program here in Willard. I know because my son plays for the Willard program and we tried to squeeze into their "special" group that they took to the Shelby league but they were full That is where the issue starts, allowing the head coach and a select group to take their kids out of Willard to play in a special league. These kids were not picked because of skills or try-outs they were selected based on who they were. That is where the issue lies, dividing these kids based on what, sure wasn't all about skills. My son will be playing in the 5th grade this year and I cannot wait until they are all together playing in Willard. Fall ball or AAU is one thing but splintering kids at this age sends a bad message to all. I like that the new coach is actually involved in the (Willard) youth program, that is good for the kids, parents, community and building a strong foundation for many years to follow. Not miss informed at all. Seen first hand what went on in Willard. When you don't have a cohesive group of coaches working together and a youth director openly not working with "the program" it shows. The old coach did care but put his trust in the wrong group of parents to run a youth program. Agendas for little johny to be the next star at Willard ruled the youth program. How is that the varsity coaches fault? He had his hands full enough trying to coach a team full of kids who were raised on that type of mentally. Hope the new coach cleared out the youth program or it's destin to repeat...😎😎
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 11, 2017 21:10:21 GMT -5
That is an ignorant statement. Lot of good kids working hard to turn this program around. My son brought home a signup form for grades 3-6 the other day that shows that this new coach wants to get involved from the bottom to the top, that is where you start to really turn a program around. The last few Willard coaches didn't have a 3rd through 6th Program?? I find that VERY hard to believe BTW Dad, just because a select few kids in each class play in a league, which most head coaches do, does NOT mean a head coach isn't involved in a youth program How about this youth program? The only complete involvement by the head coach is a one week summer camp for just his young kids and a one week summer league for kids from the area. The Varsity and JV players work with the kids one or two days a week during the season. Each class has a select few players play in a league during the season. All youth are expected to take the fundamentals taught and work on their own. That's it. Would that meet with your approval?
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Post by moneyball on Oct 12, 2017 6:21:23 GMT -5
You are obviously uninformed. The previous head coach did not have anything to do with the Willard program here in Willard. I know because my son plays for the Willard program and we tried to squeeze into their "special" group that they took to the Shelby league but they were full That is where the issue starts, allowing the head coach and a select group to take their kids out of Willard to play in a special league. These kids were not picked because of skills or try-outs they were selected based on who they were. That is where the issue lies, dividing these kids based on what, sure wasn't all about skills. My son will be playing in the 5th grade this year and I cannot wait until they are all together playing in Willard. Fall ball or AAU is one thing but splintering kids at this age sends a bad message to all. I like that the new coach is actually involved in the (Willard) youth program, that is good for the kids, parents, community and building a strong foundation for many years to follow. Not miss informed at all. Seen first hand what went on in Willard. When you don't have a cohesive group of coaches working together and a youth director openly not working with "the program" it shows. The old coach did care but put his trust in the wrong group of parents to run a youth program. Agendas for little johny to be the next star at Willard ruled the youth program. How is that the varsity coaches fault? He had his hands full enough trying to coach a team full of kids who were raised on that type of mentally. Hope the new coach cleared out the youth program or it's destin to repeat...😎😎 Exactly my point. The new coach came in and took over the youth program and gave it a single point of direction, greatly needed. It's a new group and the fact that the new coach is taking control over it all is a great start. Not going to go back and talk about what could have and should have happened. Long was a good coach and he had his challenges with players, tough situation. There were obviously other issues that played into the boards decision to not renew his contract and we'll never know what those were, probably win/loss record.
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Post by moneyball on Oct 12, 2017 6:30:07 GMT -5
That is an ignorant statement. Lot of good kids working hard to turn this program around. My son brought home a signup form for grades 3-6 the other day that shows that this new coach wants to get involved from the bottom to the top, that is where you start to really turn a program around. The last few Willard coaches didn't have a 3rd through 6th Program?? I find that VERY hard to believe BTW Dad, just because a select few kids in each class play in a league, which most head coaches do, does NOT mean a head coach isn't involved in a youth program How about this youth program? The only complete involvement by the head coach is a one week summer camp for just his young kids and a one week summer league for kids from the area. The Varsity and JV players work with the kids one or two days a week during the season. Each class has a select few players play in a league during the season. All youth are expected to take the fundamentals taught and work on their own. That's it. Would that meet with your approval? I have no say in this situation. I sit in the stands and cheer the team on and support the coaches. I have my opinion and when my son ask me how he can get better I tell him to work on his skills, more playing time I say work harder, never take a play off. The point is there has to be one leader in any program and they define the direction of the entire program. I see the girls head coach is following suite and running the youth girls program just like the new coach is with the boys, good stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 8:51:38 GMT -5
The last few Willard coaches didn't have a 3rd through 6th Program?? I find that VERY hard to believe BTW Dad, just because a select few kids in each class play in a league, which most head coaches do, does NOT mean a head coach isn't involved in a youth program How about this youth program? The only complete involvement by the head coach is a one week summer camp for just his young kids and a one week summer league for kids from the area. The Varsity and JV players work with the kids one or two days a week during the season. Each class has a select few players play in a league during the season. All youth are expected to take the fundamentals taught and work on their own. That's it. Would that meet with your approval? I have no say in this situation. I sit in the stands and cheer the team on and support the coaches. I have my opinion and when my son ask me how he can get better I tell him to work on his skills, more playing time I say work harder, never take a play off. The point is there has to be one leader in any program and they define the direction of the entire program. I see the girls head coach is following suite and running the youth girls program just like the new coach is with the boys, good stuff. Good stuff because you say it is? Remember you have no say. You should be clear and say you cheer the team and support the coaches now. As you toss the former coach under a truck.
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Post by moneyball on Oct 12, 2017 9:48:37 GMT -5
I have no say in this situation. I sit in the stands and cheer the team on and support the coaches. I have my opinion and when my son ask me how he can get better I tell him to work on his skills, more playing time I say work harder, never take a play off. The point is there has to be one leader in any program and they define the direction of the entire program. I see the girls head coach is following suite and running the youth girls program just like the new coach is with the boys, good stuff. Good stuff because you say it is? Remember you have no say. You should be clear and say you cheer the team and support the coaches now. As you toss the former coach under a truck. It is an opinion. I could have said dumb idea but I don't think it is. Not throwing the former coach under any truck. I have always cheered and supported the coaches, staff and kids on, past and future. Next time I'll try and be clear so you don't get upset.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 12:03:21 GMT -5
I'm not upset. Point is that it would appear your opinion is based on you being a father and the involvement of your elementary child. Today, there are many avenues to encourage and progress a child's skills and abilities. Relying only on a school's rec youth program will limit success and blaming a school's rec program for lack of development indicates laziness. Glad you child now is getting better. I'll look forward to updates in the coming years.
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Post by moneyball on Oct 12, 2017 12:27:52 GMT -5
I'm not upset. Point is that it would appear your opinion is based on you being a father and the involvement of your elementary child. Today, there are many avenues to encourage and progress a child's skills and abilities. Relying only on a school's rec youth program will limit success and blaming a school's rec program for lack of development indicates laziness. Glad you child now is getting better. I'll look forward to updates in the coming years. My son and daughter are very humble and are team players. They have a very positive outlook on team sports and we rarely talk about what went wrong during a game, but what went right and what they can do as an individual and teammate to help make the team better. I hope they continue to have fun and I've told them both, if you stop having fun it isn't worth your time.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 12, 2017 21:11:23 GMT -5
The last few Willard coaches didn't have a 3rd through 6th Program?? I find that VERY hard to believe BTW Dad, just because a select few kids in each class play in a league, which most head coaches do, does NOT mean a head coach isn't involved in a youth program How about this youth program? The only complete involvement by the head coach is a one week summer camp for just his young kids and a one week summer league for kids from the area. The Varsity and JV players work with the kids one or two days a week during the season. Each class has a select few players play in a league during the season. All youth are expected to take the fundamentals taught and work on their own. That's it. Would that meet with your approval? I have no say in this situation. I sit in the stands and cheer the team on and support the coaches. I have my opinion and when my son ask me how he can get better I tell him to work on his skills, more playing time I say work harder, never take a play off. The point is there has to be one leader in any program and they define the direction of the entire program. I see the girls head coach is following suite and running the youth girls program just like the new coach is with the boys, good stuff. On here, you've had a lot to "say" negative about the previous coach and a lot to "say" positive about the current coach, before seeing him coach in his first varsity game. You're talking about 3rd through 6 graders. For his sake he needs to be concerned about the varsity team. If he can't win NOW, he'll never see any of those elementary kids on a varsity squad. You're going to be disappointed. There is no way a head coach can spend a lot of time with elementary school kids. He must spend 95% of his time with the varsity, for him to have a chance of turning it around. THE #1 way for a head coach to show he's a "leader" and "give direction" is to win at the varsity level.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 4:52:56 GMT -5
I'm not upset. Point is that it would appear your opinion is based on you being a father and the involvement of your elementary child. Today, there are many avenues to encourage and progress a child's skills and abilities. Relying only on a school's rec youth program will limit success and blaming a school's rec program for lack of development indicates laziness. Glad you child now is getting better. I'll look forward to updates in the coming years. My son and daughter are very humble and are team players. They have a very positive outlook on team sports and we rarely talk about what went wrong during a game, but what went right and what they can do as an individual and teammate to help make the team better. I hope they continue to have fun and I've told them both, if you stop having fun it isn't worth your time. Being humble in elementary school can be meaningless. Something to remember is that sports are not always fun, but they can be rewarding and regardless of success or failure they can teach us and help us grow.
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Post by lozenger4 on Oct 13, 2017 8:37:59 GMT -5
I have no say in this situation. I sit in the stands and cheer the team on and support the coaches. I have my opinion and when my son ask me how he can get better I tell him to work on his skills, more playing time I say work harder, never take a play off. The point is there has to be one leader in any program and they define the direction of the entire program. I see the girls head coach is following suite and running the youth girls program just like the new coach is with the boys, good stuff. On here, you've had a lot to "say" negative about the previous coach and a lot to "say" positive about the current coach, before seeing him coach in his first varsity game. Your talking about 3rd through 6 graders. For his sake he needs to be concerned about the varsity team. If he can't win NOW, he'll never see any of those elementary kids on a varsity squad. You're going to be disappointed. There is no way a head coach can spend a lot of time with elementary school kids. He must spend 95% of his time with the varsity, for him to have a chance of turning it around. THE #1 way for a head coach to show he's a "leader" and "give direction" is to win at the varsity level. To be fair to Moneyball, I don't think he is insinuating that the coach is spending all of his time developing 5th graders and ignoring the Varsity squad. Especially at this time of year. Now if he stops scouting games or skips practice to watch elementary kids play, then that's an issue, but what has he done wrong at this point?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 13, 2017 12:47:43 GMT -5
Your right, he hasn't coached his first varsity game at this point.
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Post by moneyball on Oct 13, 2017 13:04:01 GMT -5
I have no say in this situation. I sit in the stands and cheer the team on and support the coaches. I have my opinion and when my son ask me how he can get better I tell him to work on his skills, more playing time I say work harder, never take a play off. The point is there has to be one leader in any program and they define the direction of the entire program. I see the girls head coach is following suite and running the youth girls program just like the new coach is with the boys, good stuff. On here, you've had a lot to "say" negative about the previous coach and a lot to "say" positive about the current coach, before seeing him coach in his first varsity game. Your talking about 3rd through 6 graders. For his sake he needs to be concerned about the varsity team. If he can't win NOW, he'll never see any of those elementary kids on a varsity squad. You're going to be disappointed. There is no way a head coach can spend a lot of time with elementary school kids. He must spend 95% of his time with the varsity, for him to have a chance of turning it around. THE #1 way for a head coach to show he's a "leader" and "give direction" is to win at the varsity level. Winning, what is winning? Winning is regaining the trust of the players, parents and community with the direction of the program. I was not part of the decision to let the previous coach go. The school board members and AD did it, the program was struggling from what they stated in the paper (their words, not mine). I would not expect the head coach to micromanage the youth program but he has to know what is going on as these will be his players some day. I'm never disappointed in any sport, it is just a game and that is it, fill gaps of time with things for these kids to do. I don't care if they win or lose but what I do care about is how our kids are taught the game and to respect every aspect of the game. I like that the coach is making an effort.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 13, 2017 13:24:20 GMT -5
Winning? AGAIN THE #1 thing that regains trust in ALL and proves the program is on track, is WINNING varsity games. Losing too many varsity games will get a coach fired, even if he has a great elementary program. At a place like Willard that still remembers what Haas and Nossaman did, they want to see the VARSITY win most games and real soon. They won't wait for 6 years when the current 6th graders are Seniors.
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Post by moneyball on Oct 13, 2017 13:36:56 GMT -5
Winning? AGAIN THE #1 thing that regains trust in ALL and proves the program is on track, is WINNING varsity games. Losing too many varsity games will get a coach fired, even if he has a great elementary program. Your foundation is your youth program, the farm system so to speak. The #1 thing that regains trust isn't winning right from the start. There is no one thing that regains trust but I will say hope that things are turning around is what gains trust. Winning is here today and gone tomorrow. The integrity of a program can last for years after a good coach is long gone but it has to be sound and disciplined and that starts with knowledge of the players coming up.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 13, 2017 13:52:33 GMT -5
All true, but you forget this is Willard. More than a foundation is needed for this or any new coach at Willard to keep a job. Unlike at let's say Bucyrus, where a coach has a much longer leash. If a new coach at Willard after his third year isn't winning most varsity games he will be gone, regardless of the foundation. There is a track record to prove that.
This coach does have an advantage where the previous did not. No longer in the NOL, instead the Bay Division of the SBC. That, and with cross over games down to the River instead of up to the Lake, should help get to .500 quicker.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 16:41:04 GMT -5
You need more than a foundation. You need to dumb down the schedule and play worse teams to become good right away. Hmmmmm, I guess you did that too. You may be right, you are good.
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Post by crimson5 on Oct 18, 2017 21:26:20 GMT -5
Wow, I find it funny that some of you want to doubt (bash) Willard's new coach for doing things differently than the previous coach, I find it more funny that you want to defend the previous coach for not doing the things the new coach is doing, fact is the new coach knows immensely more about discipline, accountability, mentoring, integrity, etc than the previous coach, previous coach had very little to do with youth program (fact), new coach spends as much time in the off season as he can (without neglecting JV/Varsity teams), this new coach has already done things (6 months) to lay groundwork for years to come that the old coach would have never dreamed of, will he win in 2017.....probably not to his wishes, will he win in 2018, 19, etc, I would wager yes, It's coming and the haters can't stop it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 21:30:27 GMT -5
There is no hate from my keyboard, just discussion on how some people see things differently and just because it affects them does not make any of it right or wrong.
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Post by crimson5 on Oct 18, 2017 21:35:07 GMT -5
There is no hate from my keyboard, just discussion on how some people see things differently and just because it affects them does not make any of it right or wrong. I Agree, YOU weren't hating, I think you would be surprised how many posters on here are not just parents of elementary kids, but middle schoolers and high schoolers that see a positive change in the program, we are optimistic
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Post by ronswanson on Oct 19, 2017 7:58:25 GMT -5
Wow, I find it funny that some of you want to doubt (bash) Willard's new coach for doing things differently than the previous coach, I find it more funny that you want to defend the previous coach for not doing the things the new coach is doing, fact is the new coach knows immensely more about discipline, accountability, mentoring, integrity, etc than the previous coach, previous coach had very little to do with youth program (fact), new coach spends as much time in the off season as he can (without neglecting JV/Varsity teams), this new coach has already done things (6 months) to lay groundwork for years to come that the old coach would have never dreamed of, will he win in 2017.....probably not to his wishes, will he win in 2018, 19, etc, I would wager yes, It's coming and the haters can't stop it! With the season not even starting yet, how can you accurately make this statement? Are you basing that off his Seneca East days? That seems like more of an opinion right now than something you can make a claim with evidence.
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Post by crimson5 on Oct 19, 2017 21:31:26 GMT -5
Wow, I find it funny that some of you want to doubt (bash) Willard's new coach for doing things differently than the previous coach, I find it more funny that you want to defend the previous coach for not doing the things the new coach is doing, fact is the new coach knows immensely more about discipline, accountability, mentoring, integrity, etc than the previous coach, previous coach had very little to do with youth program (fact), new coach spends as much time in the off season as he can (without neglecting JV/Varsity teams), this new coach has already done things (6 months) to lay groundwork for years to come that the old coach would have never dreamed of, will he win in 2017.....probably not to his wishes, will he win in 2018, 19, etc, I would wager yes, It's coming and the haters can't stop it! With the season not even starting yet, how can you accurately make this statement? Are you basing that off his Seneca East days? That seems like more of an opinion right now than something you can make a claim with evidence. [br. The phrases you emboldened are evident in the way he interacts with the athletes, whether one on one or in a group setting, the words that come out of his mouth when praising kids, the words that come out of his mouth when upset with kids, the actions he takes when discipline is needed, etc, I don't need a won/loss record to validate my belief that he is a "leader" in every sense of the word, he is a man of high integrity and character, he is old school with enough new school to make it work, will it reflect in Wins? proof is in the pooding, regardless he will make my son and the athletes that play for him better men
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Post by jakemak25 on Oct 21, 2017 2:38:35 GMT -5
I think all your kids are horrible and Mike Lillo was the best coach in Willard history...
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Post by decodable on Oct 25, 2017 14:11:26 GMT -5
Talked to some people in Willard and it sounds like the new youth program will have 8-10 kids per grade level per team. What is going to happen with the remainder of the kids that do not make the travel team? So in essence Willard is going to start cutting kids in the 3rd grade. Interesting......
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 25, 2017 15:48:59 GMT -5
Formula for a good youth program. Think little league for bball. Divide the number of kids in a grade who sign up by 8. Make that many teams. Hold a skills based tryout and have the coaches pick. Play each team X times to have a reasonable regular season then set up an end of year tournament. The varsity coach meets with each grade level’s coaches and give each level 3-4 fundamentals to focus on (ball handling, boxing out, setting screens, etc.). Along with the jr high by 9 th grade you’re fine tuning the skills and teaching team concepts. High school staff and players show up at a few games and practices for cameos to help motivate the youth and make sure the adults aren’t going off script. We did something similar at a dinky little school in S Ohio that’s a football school and we’ve been to Columbus six times.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 25, 2017 22:52:03 GMT -5
Talked to some people in Willard and it sounds like the new youth program will have 8-10 kids per grade level per team. What is going to happen with the remainder of the kids that do not make the travel team? So in essence Willard is going to start cutting kids in the 3rd grade. Interesting...... Some Willard father on here said he knew that the new Willard head coach set up a MUCH BETTER youth program than previous head coaches.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 25, 2017 22:56:25 GMT -5
There is no hate from my keyboard, just discussion on how some people see things differently and just because it affects them does not make any of it right or wrong. Don't let him fool you. He's always picking fights and looking to start arguments. He calls them "discussions". LOL
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 25, 2017 22:58:34 GMT -5
With the season not even starting yet, how can you accurately make this statement? Are you basing that off his Seneca East days? That seems like more of an opinion right now than something you can make a claim with evidence. [br. The phrases you emboldened are evident in the way he interacts with the athletes, whether one on one or in a group setting, the words that come out of his mouth when praising kids, the words that come out of his mouth when upset with kids, the actions he takes when discipline is needed, etc, I don't need a won/loss record to validate my belief that he is a "leader" in every sense of the word, he is a man of high integrity and character, he is old school with enough new school to make it work, will it reflect in Wins? proof is in the pooding, regardless he will make my son and the athletes that play for him better men Give some examples how the previous head coaches DID NOT not make their players "better men".
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Post by bigox on Oct 26, 2017 9:58:26 GMT -5
Talked to some people in Willard and it sounds like the new youth program will have 8-10 kids per grade level per team. What is going to happen with the remainder of the kids that do not make the travel team? So in essence Willard is going to start cutting kids in the 3rd grade. Interesting...... Some Willard father on here said he knew that the new Willard head coach set up a MUCH BETTER youth program than previous head coaches. This sounds EXACTLY like the last youth program then. Take your top 8 or so and put them on a team, then leave the rest(9-20) to make up a team. Throw them in what ever league you can find for them and push coaching off on a parent who has never coached anything before. Yep that helps the program 😎😎.
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