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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 12, 2017 9:52:06 GMT -5
Depending on whose number you want to believe. There are 12 to 40 million illegal immigrants in the U S who crossed the Southern border. 50% are on some sort of government assistance.
There are 100,000 Illegal Canadians in the U S. The vast majority crossed legally, but didn't go back after their status expired. Many are small business owners who wanted to own a business in the US instead of Canada. Silliness!!
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 12, 2017 10:10:19 GMT -5
40 million? there's only 300 million in the US total dude, so you're saying what...12.5% of the US population are illegal hispanics?
i have a hard time believing 1 out of every 8 citizens is illegal, your numbers don't even make sense...depending on whose numbers i want to believe? seems a bit off...
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Post by cbus on Aug 12, 2017 15:11:55 GMT -5
Given the birth rate in the USA we may need all the immigrants we can get in a few years. Hopefully legal immigrants, but we may not be very choosy in the future.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 12, 2017 15:59:43 GMT -5
Given the birth rate in the USA we may need all the immigrants we can get in a few years. Hopefully legal immigrants, but we may not be very choosy in the future. That is exactly what the Dept. of labor has been telling us the past three administrations.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 12, 2017 17:36:22 GMT -5
40 million? there's only 300 million in the US total dude, so you're saying what...12.5% of the US population are illegal hispanics? i have a hard time believing 1 out of every 8 citizens is illegal, your numbers don't even make sense...depending on whose numbers i want to believe? seems a bit off... UH... 303 million US CITIZENS in 2007, closer to 320 million now. No one really knows exactly how many illegal imigrants are in the country. All I did was give a range of different estimates I found. Answer this, how many illegal immigrants even get census forms, let alone would turn them in if they did? Hell, a lot of red necks refuse to be counted due to a general fear and disdain of the Federal government. More Silliness
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 12, 2017 17:49:07 GMT -5
I dont pretend to know H. Ross, y'all r the immigration profs.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 12, 2017 17:50:07 GMT -5
I rather highly doubt it is over (lol) 10% of the US population tho.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 12, 2017 18:44:58 GMT -5
I dont pretend to know H. Ross, y'all r the immigration profs. Jose, I'll take that to mean you never pondered the enigma.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 12, 2017 18:46:30 GMT -5
I rather highly doubt it is over (lol) 10% of the US population tho. Pick a number, your guess is as good as any.
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Post by galion on Aug 13, 2017 7:39:06 GMT -5
I really don't think this is rocket science. Water runs downhill. Make the path to legal immigration reasonably easy enough that immigrants don't feel the need to bypass it. Instead of wasting billions on a wall that won't work anyway (I hear crickets chirping when nobody will acknowledge that over 100 miles of ocean doesn't stop Cubans) and people to guard it why not pay people to help immigrants through the process. They could help them with paperwork. They could be trained to background check them. Link our computers with Mexico's criminal database and others that keep records on bad guys. That way we could weed out the drug dealers, terrorists, former felons, etc. Sure, it'll miss some. So does our current law enforcement on our own population. Any system based on freedom first is going to err in favor of bad guys (innocent until proven guilty, remember). Now we've documented them. They're going to pay taxes for the roads they drive on, the infrastructure they benefit from. Now the employer pays payroll taxes and into social security on them so the playing field is even when choosing between hiring legal citizens versus illegal immigrants. My idea costs less and even generates income. Your suggestions make good common sense and have a lot of merit. I don't have to remind you that the Mexican border invasion and Cubans escaping oppression in communist Cuba are two different situations. The 'wet foot, dry foot policy implemented by president Clinton was revoked by Obama, just before leaving office. "Effective immediately, Cuban nationals who attempt to enter the United States illegally 'and do not qualify for humanitarian relief' will be subject to removal," Obama said. "By taking this step, we are treating Cuban migrants the same way we treat migrants from other countries." So, you are suggesting 'fast tracking' the immigration process. I don't see there is a necessity to alter our procedures. There is procedures already in place to apply for entry and citizenship and it works Certainly, anything can be refined and streamlined as you suggested. I fail to see the difference between escaping poverty and communist oppression or poverty and cartel violence and oppression.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 13, 2017 10:46:21 GMT -5
of course sportsjock doesn't see, he got his so eff the rest of the world eh?
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 13, 2017 14:58:53 GMT -5
Your suggestions make good common sense and have a lot of merit. I don't have to remind you that the Mexican border invasion and Cubans escaping oppression in communist Cuba are two different situations. The 'wet foot, dry foot policy implemented by president Clinton was revoked by Obama, just before leaving office. "Effective immediately, Cuban nationals who attempt to enter the United States illegally 'and do not qualify for humanitarian relief' will be subject to removal," Obama said. "By taking this step, we are treating Cuban migrants the same way we treat migrants from other countries." So, you are suggesting 'fast tracking' the immigration process. I don't see there is a necessity to alter our procedures. There is procedures already in place to apply for entry and citizenship and it works Certainly, anything can be refined and streamlined as you suggested. I fail to see the difference between escaping poverty and communist oppression or poverty and cartel violence and oppression.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 13, 2017 14:59:52 GMT -5
Your suggestions make good common sense and have a lot of merit. I don't have to remind you that the Mexican border invasion and Cubans escaping oppression in communist Cuba are two different situations. The 'wet foot, dry foot policy implemented by president Clinton was revoked by Obama, just before leaving office. "Effective immediately, Cuban nationals who attempt to enter the United States illegally 'and do not qualify for humanitarian relief' will be subject to removal," Obama said. "By taking this step, we are treating Cuban migrants the same way we treat migrants from other countries." So, you are suggesting 'fast tracking' the immigration process. I don't see there is a necessity to alter our procedures. There is procedures already in place to apply for entry and citizenship and it works Certainly, anything can be refined and streamlined as you suggested. I fail to see the difference between escaping poverty and communist oppression or poverty and cartel violence and oppression. Call your Congressman and have him explain it to you.....lol
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 13, 2017 15:33:04 GMT -5
(because sportsjock can't)
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Post by fanofthegame on Aug 13, 2017 16:40:32 GMT -5
I fail to see the difference between escaping poverty and communist oppression or poverty and cartel violence and oppression. Â Call your Congressman and have him explain it to you.....lol The only difference is you can measure one with the evening news. The communist regime has been fed to you by the media. The drug cartels and their oppression has not been spoon fed to you by the news. As a result you swallow one like its sugar and minimize the other. As Americans we have an f'ing responsibility. About this I am passionate. We have to be better than everyone else. We have to be an example of freedom to the world. We have to be an example even when that example hurts. Otherwise we're hypocrites. If we're hypocrites then we don't have a leg to stand on when we fly into Africa, Serbia, Afghanistan, etc and try to prop up the "good guy." How can we promote freedom, the free market, opportunity if we don't represent that on a daily basis. Walls and deportation are easy. Giving hard working, good people a chance takes more work. If we aren't willing to put in the work then how can we expect it of anyone else?
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 13, 2017 17:23:30 GMT -5
Call your Congressman and have him explain it to you.....lol The only difference is you can measure one with the evening news. The communist regime has been fed to you by the media. The drug cartels and their oppression has not been spoon fed to you by the news. As a result you swallow one like its sugar and minimize the other. As Americans we have an f'ing responsibility. About this I am passionate. We have to be better than everyone else. We have to be an example of freedom to the world. We have to be an example even when that example hurts. Otherwise we're hypocrites. If we're hypocrites then we don't have a leg to stand on when we fly into Africa, Serbia, Afghanistan, etc and try to prop up the "good guy." How can we promote freedom, the free market, opportunity if we don't represent that on a daily basis. Walls and deportation are easy. Giving hard working, good people a chance takes more work. If we aren't willing to put in the work then how can we expect it of anyone else? I honestly feel Americans have the biggest, most giving hearts on the planet. Trust me, we are viewed in a positive light, even those countries that don't enjoy freedom of the press and subjected to propaganda machines. No country on the planet has more charitable organizations for a myriad of causes that help and assist those in need. It is the American spirit that radiates to every corner of the world and we are not doing it for selfish interests, it is purely humanitarian driven.
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Post by galion on Aug 14, 2017 4:07:49 GMT -5
Unless oil or the drugtrade is involved.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 14, 2017 9:25:18 GMT -5
Unless oil or the drugtrade is involved. The oil industry is a separate, self serving animal and the criminal element certainly is not representative of our country.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 14, 2017 9:53:33 GMT -5
yes they are, they own our country
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 14, 2017 15:07:44 GMT -5
yes they are, they own our country Your opinion..... The oil industry certainly has influence, as does the automotive industry and the banking industry, but I wouldn't use the term 'own'. I'm not clear on what you meant by drug trade, I would assume the illegal drug trade as opposed to the pharmaceutical industry trade.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 14, 2017 17:04:48 GMT -5
when your VP is the chair of Halliburton and all the 9/11 hijackers come from the only country we gave permission to to fly family out of the country after 9/11 smart folks wise up
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 14, 2017 19:17:27 GMT -5
Only those that want to be "owned" get "owned". Become an owner, own oil stocks. I have made a pile of money buying stocks that some believe "own" us. THAT is what's great about capitalism.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 15, 2017 11:29:29 GMT -5
good advice, someone should have told Jesus, maybe if he was as rich as you he'd have some credibility
and spare me the Capitalism garbage, we are all well aware of where you folks stand on a TRUE Free Market
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 15, 2017 12:00:18 GMT -5
"Rich" in so many more ways than financially. My wife and I give a lot of time and money to Jesus's callings.
Tell us, how do you socialists stand on Free Markets?. Let me guess, like the Chinese?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 13:34:54 GMT -5
Depending on whose number you want to believe. There are 12 to 40 million illegal immigrants in the U S who crossed the Southern border. 50% are on some sort of government assistance. Are those Trump's numbers? Last time I checked illegals are not eligible for most government services, even though it's a system they pay into with tax dollars. So how are they getting them?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 15, 2017 14:35:21 GMT -5
NO...do the research and you will see there's a wide range of guesses. And that's what they are. No one knows how many illegal imigrants there are. We know how many US citizens there are because of the US census. Illegal imigrants can't be counted by the census. They don't want to be counted, they don't have Social Security Numbers, they don't want the government to know what their address is. Which is fine with me, but just a fact of life for illegals and why no one REALLY knows how many there are in the country. You pick a number, it would be as good a guess as any.
Ask the the mayors of sanctuary cities.
It's estimated that 25% off welfare claims in Richland County involve some sort of fraud. Show a little initiative and it's not to hard to get free money from the State
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:41:06 GMT -5
NO...do the research and you will see there's a wide range of guesses. And that's what they are. No one knows how many illegal imigrants there are. We know how many US citizens there are because of the US census. Illegal imigrants can't be counted by the census. They don't want to be counted, they don't have Social Security Numbers, they don't want the government to know what their address is. Which is fine with me, but just a fact of life for illegals and why no one REALLY knows how many there are in the country. You pick a number, it would be as good an guess as any That's not what I asked. How do you know they are using government services? Which ones exactly?
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 15, 2017 14:54:57 GMT -5
"Rich" in so many more ways than financially. My wife and I give a lot of time and money to Jesus's callings. Tell us, how do you socialists stand on Free Markets?. Let me guess, like the Chinese? yeah you're perfect dude, we know, you tell us all the time but you live in a Socialist country boss, ever hear of the US Postal Service? i think Free markets should be just like everything else that is Free...it should be Free, which i think means something entirely different to me than you and the Caveat Captains, sportsjock and Rambo McLegion...Free to you guys appears to mean "free to make up a bunch of Laws that benefit me and everyone who doesn't like it can love it or leave it" Free to me means Free. Like, Free. Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness. you guys talk about Jesus's teachings but everytime you're cornered you fall back on the "i make money" line, it's a little embarrassing honestly, Thomas Jefferson died broke and in debt, So It Goes i'm all for folks making as much as they want but no one cares lol, there are rich morons too Build a wall around Virginia.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 15, 2017 14:56:43 GMT -5
Look again
How do I know? I can only speak for tiny Richland County. My wife is a supervisor at Jobs And Family Services. My brother-in-law was over their fraud investigative department. To cut costs they got rid of all of his investigators. He told me they uncovered enough fraud cases to more than pay for their salaries. You tell me why the department was in essence eliminated? I
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 15, 2017 14:57:23 GMT -5
it shouldn't be hard to get money from the State idiot, that is what it is there for
sacrificing at the foot of a False Idol but too blind to see it because it's not Gold, and shaped like a Calf, lol
Jesus would have had more luck teaching my Rottweiler. Who can't speak Hebrew. Or English, for that matter.
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