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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 27, 2017 23:06:13 GMT -5
"Big Games" = ALL Michigan games, head coaches get fired if they don't beat U of M. Teams ranked in the Top 10. Championship games and BCS Bowl games
ALL of OHIO STATE losses when JT was the starting QB:
Freshman year - Virginia Tech, 2nd start as a Freshman, when he was named starter one week before the season after Braxton's shoulder gave out. Very young team, VT played a Defense they had never seen. At that point NO ONE knew how many games Ohio State would win or lose that year with JT at QB. He was a complete unknown.
Soph year - Lost to #9 MSU by 3 points in a rain storm, Zeke had been in the hospital that week and he blamed Urban for the loss, for not giving him enough touches.
Junior year - Lost to Penn State in happy valley by 3. NOT JT's fault. JT completed 65% of his passes. Penn State had 4 sacks, OSU defense zero sacks. OSU led 21-7 in 4th quarter. THREE OSU Special Team errors gave PSU 14 point swing. Loss to National Champion Clemson 31-0. Losing to the National Champion by 31 can't be only ONE players fault.
Senior year - Lost to #5 Oklahoma
JT "big game" ONLY wins:
Freshman year- Beat #7 MSU at East Lansing, beat Michigan.
Soph year - Beat Michigan. Beat #8 ND in Fiesta Bowl 44-28.
Junior year - Beat Oklahoma 45-24 at Oklahoma. Beat #8 Wisconsin at Wisconsin. Beat #9 Nebraska 62-3. Beat #3 Michigan
TOTAL
JT "big game" ONLY wins = 8
ALL of OHIO STATE losses when JT was the stating QB = 5 ...Includes Penn State which WAS NOT HIS FAULT. National Champion Clemson, which had to be more than one players fault. Virginia Tech the 2nd game of his Freshman year.
Interesting that VT was considered by some as a "big game" loss when they were 7-6 on the season. Must be that "THE Rambo Theory" for blaming QBs for ALL losses, that ANY loss is a "big game" loss. On the other hand, for a QB to get credit for a "big game" win, the opponent must be ranked in the Top 10 or be Michigan. Kinda of odd, that "Rambo Theory" of ONLY blaming QBs for losses thingy.
Does anyone TRULY believe Ohio State should have won all 5 of those games and be National Championships 4 years in a row?? Since 1937 no school has won more than TWO in a row!
Can anyone name an Ohio State QB that had 9 or more "big game" wins in his career, to do better than JT in that regard?
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Post by Whittaker on Oct 27, 2017 23:19:39 GMT -5
To me, any game that the Buckeyes are less than 10 point favorites is a big game. + Michigan + post-season games
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 27, 2017 23:30:28 GMT -5
That works for me, but would be REAL difficult to research the past for point spreads. I would think any game against a Top 10 team should be in that 10 point favorite range.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 28, 2017 0:04:25 GMT -5
Bowl Games and Playoffs. UM wins are always "big" but let's be honest UM Football isn't what it used to be. The problem with JT is in that our "big losses" it has generally been his inability to function as a passer that has led to our demise. VTech @ Home, MSU @ Home, Oklahoma @ Home. He has regressed over his career, he is not the same runner he was @ MIN as a Frosh, he has never improved as a passer. He needs to stop being the reason we lose games. Because imho it was his play alone, in particular vs VTech and MSU, that cost us those games. It can't be that way. Not when someone like me watched Terrelle Pryor RISE UP vs in big Bowl Games vs ARK, and ORE. JT can't be the reason we lose games. If he goes out and plays well and we lose, it is what it is. But he can't go out there and average 5 yards an attempt and we lose the game 24-17. You forget Pryor's FIVE "big game" losses in THREE years, before his 5 year ban from from Ohio State. USC, Penn State, Texas, Purdue and Wisconsin. I always thought Pryor didn't live up to expectations. He only completed 60.9% of his passes with 56 TD passes AND 26 INTs. He was the #1 ranked player in the country when he signed with Ohio State. After messing with Tressel by not signing until well after National Signing Day, telling him he changed his mind and was going to Penn State. Using the criteria for "big game" wins, Pryor had 4 You're right about JT not being the runner he once was. Tore every ligament in his knew when he was a Senior in high school. Broke his ankle so badly when he was a Freshman his foot was going sideways. Took surgery to repair, plates a screws. Strained knee ligaments when he was a Soph. Wears a knee brace.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 28, 2017 0:16:33 GMT -5
Is it possible for a qb to be at OSU for 5 years, set all kinds of records yet not win one big game that cements him in OSU's history? With JT, it is. It is not possible to play 5 years. His first year at Ohio State he spent rehabbing after serious knee surgery his Senior year in high school.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 28, 2017 0:38:33 GMT -5
To me, any game that the Buckeyes are less than 10 point favorites is a big game. + Michigan + post-season games I wonder if you were like me, somewhat surprised at the 7 pt. spread (it's tightened to -6.5), as I was expecting something in the -3 to -5 range. Personally, this one's too close to call. Two talented, extremely well coached and extremely motivated teams, with Big Ten and National Championship repercussions on the line. We haven't seen a game of this magnitude in a long time.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 28, 2017 7:29:47 GMT -5
yeah if you want to pin the 1st USC loss on Pryor when he was lined up at WR then lol at you sir, Todd Boeckman started that game in LA and Beanie went down on the first series
nice try though
also, when Pryor walked off the field vs TEX we had a lead, our crappy D gave up a late drive to Skeeter McCoy...how would you compare Pryor's Bowl record vs JT's though, while we're on the subject?
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 28, 2017 7:54:31 GMT -5
we had a lead vs USC at home too, when Pryor was done, then our D gave up a 98 yard drive to a true Frosh QB...i was actually on the field for that debacle
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 28, 2017 7:55:05 GMT -5
Is it possible for a qb to be at OSU for 5 years, set all kinds of records yet not win one big game that cements him in OSU's history? With JT, it is. It is not possible to play 5 years. His first year at Ohio State he spent rehabbing after serious knee surgery his Senior year in high school. Someone forgot to tell David Lighty that haha :+)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 8:36:44 GMT -5
"He's been on fire... in meaningless games. Now if you go back to the meaningful games... let's go back to last season. Last season they played Michigan State, squeaked by with 17-16 victory. J.T. wasn't special in that game. They played Michigan in the Shoe, double overtime. J.T. wasn't the difference in that game. And then the Playoff game against Clemson. 31-0 I think was the score? It's safe to say he wasn't big in that game. And then the other game we had earlier in the year, Oklahoma came to town, seeking revenge. We know what happened in that game too.
So in the big games, I have yet to see J.T. become the difference maker. So why would I think against Penn State in the Horseshoe, tomorrow afternoon, he's going to be a difference maker again? I have to see it Maria and David to believe it." ~ ESPN Analyst
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 28, 2017 8:45:55 GMT -5
JT Barrett in Big Games As Freshman Lost vs VT - 58.8 ADJ QBR - He was horrid Won vs MSU - 99.2 ADJ QBR - He was at his best As a sophomore Lost vs MSU - 33.5 ADJ QBR - He was horrid and wouldn't throw the ball downfield, MSU's backup QB threw it downfield and his team WON Won vs Notre Dame - 62.8 ADJ QBR - He was horrid - #15 saved him with great running As a junior Won vs Oklahoma - 81.5 ADJ QBR - He was solid Lost vs PSU - 58.1 ADJ QBR - He was horrid. Won vs Michigan - 69.4 ADJ QBR - He was horrid for 3 1/2 quarters Lost vs Clemson - 39.9 ADJ QBR - He was horrid JT Barrett has played in 8 Big Games. He's been a disaster in 6 of the 8. ^^^ This was what we discussed in the off season. Now we can add As a senior Lost vs Oklahoma - 21.5 ADJ QBR - He was horrid Anything under a 70 is considered poor play. Here's Baker Mayfield's last 15 games 90.3 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Kansas State (38 pts) 98.1 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Texas Tech (66 pts) 91.9 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Kansas (56 pts) 75.3 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Iowa State (34 pts) 96.8 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Baylor (45 pts) 94.5 ADJ QBR 2016 vs West Virginia (56 pts) 96.6 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Oklahoma State (38 pts) 97.8 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Auburn - SUGAR BOWL (35 pts) 95.7 ADJ QBR 2017 vs UTEP (56 pts) 95.6 ADJ QBR 2017 vs Ohio State (31 pts) 93.4 ADJ QBR 2017 vs Tulane (56 pts) 84.5 ADJ QBR 2017 vs Baylor (49 pts) 90.6 ADJ QBR 2017 vs Iowa State (31 pts) 82.9 ADJ QBR 2017 vs Texas (29 pts) 93.6 ADJ QBR 2017 vs Kansas State (42 pts) source www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/550373/baker-mayfield^^^ That's how we need JT Barrett to play. We need Barrett to play as well as he did vs Oklahoma in 2016. JT needs to have an ADJ QBR of 80+ vs PSU. Having a ADJ QBR of 80+ on a weekly basis is what QB's do when they are playing WELL. DeShaun Watson's last 10 college football games 93.3 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Boston College 91.6 ADJ QBR 2016 vs NC State 80.9 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Florida State 91.3 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Syracuse 82.0 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Pittsburgh 89.2 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Wake Forest 94.0 ADJ QBR 2016 vs South Carolina 91.5 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Virginia Tech - ACC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME 86.9 ADJ QBR 2016 vs Ohio State - FIESTA BOWL 91.4 ADJ QBR 2017 vs Alabama - NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME source www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3122840/type/college
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 28, 2017 8:49:12 GMT -5
"He's been on fire... in meaningless games. Now if you go back to the meaningful games... let's go back to last season. Last season they played Michigan State, squeaked by with 17-16 victory. J.T. wasn't special in that game. They played Michigan in the Shoe, double overtime. J.T. wasn't the difference in that game. And then the Playoff game against Clemson. 31-0 I think was the score? It's safe to say he wasn't big in that game. And then the other game we had earlier in the year, Oklahoma came to town, seeking revenge. We know what happened in that game too.
So in the big games, I have yet to see J.T. become the difference maker. So why would I think against Penn State in the Horseshoe, tomorrow afternoon, he's going to be a difference maker again? I have to see it Maria and David to believe it." ~ ESPN Analyst +1, the only time JT has looked special in a Big game was 2014 as a freshman vs Michigan State. He was amazing in that game. Hopefully he plays that way today, but I'm a realist and his history in big games is poor. Let's go Bucks. JT rock the house today.
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Post by Whittaker on Oct 28, 2017 10:05:54 GMT -5
That works for me, but would be REAL difficult to research the past for point spreads. I would think any game against a Top 10 team should be in that 10 point favorite range. True. After I posted I searched for prior year point spreads. Couldn't find them.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 28, 2017 10:20:43 GMT -5
Well it's been sleeting, snowing for the last hour or so, not great news for Barrett. I would love it if he served up a big plate of crow today but it isn't looking good.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 28, 2017 10:29:43 GMT -5
we had a lead vs USC at home too, when Pryor was done, then our D gave up a 98 yard drive to a true Frosh QB...i was actually on the field for that debacle I'm just going by THE "Rambo Theory": IF you are the starting QB and your team loses, it is YOUR fault and only YOUR fault. NONE of the other 150 TEAM members can be culpable.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 28, 2017 10:38:00 GMT -5
yeah if you want to pin the 1st USC loss on Pryor when he was lined up at WR then lol at you sir, Todd Boeckman started that game in LA and Beanie went down on the first series nice try though also, when Pryor walked off the field vs TEX we had a lead, our crappy D gave up a late drive to Skeeter McCoy...how would you compare Pryor's Bowl record vs JT's though, while we're on the subject? You beat me too it. When I woke up this morning I remembered that first USC game was before Pryor was named starter. Was it the game after that loss he was given the starter's job? I'll change the info. Again according to THE "Rambo Theory" of the QB MUST be blamed for for ANY loss. The blame MUST be laid on the QB regardless of what happens to other players or how badly another position group plays. Therefore QB Todd Boeckman was the sole reason for the loss. THE "Rambo Theory" does make it VERY SIMPLE to give blame for a loss, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 11:18:35 GMT -5
True. After I posted I searched for prior year point spreads. Couldn't find them. The 2016 Line by game BGSU -27.5 Tulsa -28 Okla -1.5 Rutgers -39.5 Ind -28 Wisc -10.5 Penn St -17 Northw -26 Neb -17.5 Mary -27.5 Mich St -20 UM -6 Clem -1
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 28, 2017 11:26:00 GMT -5
How about 2017, 2015, and 2014? THE "Rambo Theory" of only blaming QBs for losses covers JT's entire career, or haven't you noticed.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 28, 2017 11:30:07 GMT -5
yeah if you want to pin the 1st USC loss on Pryor when he was lined up at WR then lol at you sir, Todd Boeckman started that game in LA and Beanie went down on the first series nice try though also, when Pryor walked off the field vs TEX we had a lead, our crappy D gave up a late drive to Skeeter McCoy...how would you compare Pryor's Bowl record vs JT's though, while we're on the subject? You beat me too it. When I woke up this morning I remembered that first USC game was before Pryor was named starter. Was it the game after that loss he was given the starter's job? I'll change the info. Again according to THE Rambo QB Theory of who is at fault for ANY loss. The blame MUST be laid on the QB regardless of what happens to other players or how badly another position group plays. Therefore QB Todd Boeckman was the sole reason for the loss. HIS Theory does make it VERY SIMPLE to give blame for a loss, doesn't it? If i remember correctly i think he replaced Boeckham during that game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 28, 2017 11:37:34 GMT -5
You beat me too it. When I woke up this morning I remembered that first USC game was before Pryor was named starter. Was it the game after that loss he was given the starter's job? I'll change the info. Again according to THE Rambo QB Theory of who is at fault for ANY loss. The blame MUST be laid on the QB regardless of what happens to other players or how badly another position group plays. Therefore QB Todd Boeckman was the sole reason for the loss. HIS Theory does make it VERY SIMPLE to give blame for a loss, doesn't it? If i remember correctly i think he replaced Boeckham during that game. In that case, how does THE "Rambo Theory" of the QB must be the only player to blame for a loss work?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 28, 2017 11:59:23 GMT -5
"He's been on fire... in meaningless games. Now if you go back to the meaningful games... let's go back to last season. Last season they played Michigan State, squeaked by with 17-16 victory. J.T. wasn't special in that game. They played Michigan in the Shoe, double overtime. J.T. wasn't the difference in that game. And then the Playoff game against Clemson. 31-0 I think was the score? It's safe to say he wasn't big in that game. And then the other game we had earlier in the year, Oklahoma came to town, seeking revenge. We know what happened in that game too.
So in the big games, I have yet to see J.T. become the difference maker. So why would I think against Penn State in the Horseshoe, tomorrow afternoon, he's going to be a difference maker again? I have to see it Maria and David to believe it." ~ ESPN Analyst +1, the only time JT has looked special in a Big game was 2014 as a freshman vs Michigan State. He was amazing in that game. Hopefully he plays that way today, but I'm a realist and his history in big games is poor. Let's go Bucks. JT rock the house today. According to THE "Rambo Theory", what exactly is "looked special". That part of THE "Rambo Theory" has never been explained. ALL Theory's MUST be completely explained to be trusted. What about the 44-28 win over #8 ND? What about the win over #8 Wisconsin at Wisconsin? What about the 45-28 win over Oklahoma at Oklahoma? What about the 62-3 win over #9 Nebraska? What about the win over #3 Michigan? What about the 3 straight wins over Michigan? That Woody, Earl and Urban will tell you is THE MOST IMPORTANT game on the schedule every year. Nothing "special" about those wins??? By everyone else's criteria WERE big games. It now seems THE "Rambo Theory" has a secretive definition of what a "big game" is. Just another reason THE "Rambo Theory" must be considered a farce.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 28, 2017 12:07:06 GMT -5
"He's been on fire... in meaningless games. Now if you go back to the meaningful games... let's go back to last season. Last season they played Michigan State, squeaked by with 17-16 victory. J.T. wasn't special in that game. They played Michigan in the Shoe, double overtime. J.T. wasn't the difference in that game. And then the Playoff game against Clemson. 31-0 I think was the score? It's safe to say he wasn't big in that game. And then the other game we had earlier in the year, Oklahoma came to town, seeking revenge. We know what happened in that game too.
So in the big games, I have yet to see J.T. become the difference maker. So why would I think against Penn State in the Horseshoe, tomorrow afternoon, he's going to be a difference maker again? I have to see it Maria and David to believe it." ~ ESPN Analyst Would that ESPN analyst happen to be Desmond Howard? According to this, JT doesn't get credit for anything. JT gets blamed for ALL loses, but gets no credit for any win. AMAZING!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 15:21:00 GMT -5
JT just isn't good enough
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 15:22:45 GMT -5
So far he is backing that up.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 28, 2017 17:52:09 GMT -5
JT just isn't good enough Ya, 76 completion % in first half and 77 yards rushing on 11 carries isn't good enough.
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Post by ronburgandy on Oct 28, 2017 18:17:04 GMT -5
33/38 with 4 TD’s
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 28, 2017 18:34:04 GMT -5
J....T....BARRETT!!!!!!!!
OUTSTANDING!!!!
33-39 for 328 YARDS!!!!
4 touchdowns and 16 completed passes in a row!
(Perhaps the most prolific passing performance in a big game of this magnitude in Ohio State history.)
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 28, 2017 18:44:41 GMT -5
Is it possible for a qb to be at OSU for 5 years, set all kinds of records yet not win one big game that cements him in OSU's history? With JT, it is. None bigger than this epic matchup. I think he has just cemented himself in Ohio State history, after literally re-writing the Ohio State record books. Ohio State has proven to the football world, they are legit.
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Post by 4 on Oct 28, 2017 19:08:38 GMT -5
JT Barrett is that man. Silence the haters
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 28, 2017 19:36:20 GMT -5
That was a performance for the ages.
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