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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 18, 2017 8:35:39 GMT -5
Noon on BTN
This will be the first matchup between The Ohio State University and The University of Nevada, Las Vegas
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Post by tommygunn on Sept 18, 2017 10:56:04 GMT -5
UNLV is horrible. JT shines against horrible teams.
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Post by Birdman on Sept 20, 2017 21:29:50 GMT -5
OSU- 56 UNLV- 7
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 21, 2017 5:23:10 GMT -5
This is the perfect game for a team that is in the process of adjusting and finding who they are. After the blowup against Oklahoma, I would have loved to be the fly on the wall at the follow-up coaches meeting. Besides the overall, horrible play, the coaches deserved low grades as well.
This years team had a starting point of their learning curve, much lower than anyone anticipated or could have imagined. Expect dramatic improvements in confidence and execution week by week. At the moment, this team is miles from playing to their abilities.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 5:28:06 GMT -5
Kevin Wilson calls JT an adequate passer and an adequate runner.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 21, 2017 7:38:00 GMT -5
45-14
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 22, 2017 7:01:39 GMT -5
OSU is a 40 point favorite, how will JT Barrett IV perform vs a tomato can. Will he work on his downfield throws or will he continue to throw the ball less than 5 yards downfield, a strategy that is a disaster in big games, resulting in OSU getting humiliated on the National Stage. I'm going to go with JT not working on downfield throws and continuing to play like a noodle arm. Army's pass defense was too stiff for him to throw downfield so I expect UNLV's pass defense to be too tough for him to throw downfield.
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Post by tommygunn on Sept 22, 2017 12:06:13 GMT -5
OSU has an O playbook, and then they have the JT playbook, which is about 1/3 the size.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 22, 2017 12:57:31 GMT -5
With a running QB the entire Urban Meyer playbook is used. With a pro type QB it eliminates all of the read option run plays in the playbook. It eliminates all of the RPO plays in the play book. It eliminates most of the QB run plays in the play book. In total a pro type QB eliminates 50% of the plays in the Urban Meyer playbook.
Fire Urban. Hire the UNLV coach.
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Post by 1percenter on Sept 22, 2017 14:40:19 GMT -5
^^^ Why does OSU need such a big playbook? Does Tom Brady run the spread read option? How many teams in the NFL run that stuff? Why don't they run that stuff in the NFL? Too much NFL talent in the NFL? When playing a big game doesn't OSU's opponents have lots of NFL talent? What do NFL QB's that can run (Cam Newton, Russell Wilson) need to be able to do to win? It comes straight back to them being able to throw the football. Willard Fillmore you have mentioned before that Urban had to get rid of half the playbook for Cardale Jones in that epic 3 game run because he wasn't ideal for the spread read option. That was probably a GREAT thing. Urban Meyer is not a God, he is infallible. He could believe his system works with a average passing, running QB, but he won in 2006 with Chris Leak (pocket passer) and in 2014 with Cardale Jones (pocket passer). The one year he won it with a mediocre passer 2008 (Tim Tebow) was a game won 24-14. Florida's defense won the game, and the offense was shut down (14 points entering the 4th quarter), just not as shut down as Oklahoma's offense. Urban's offense actually seems to do better with a pocket passer (Kenny Guiton replacing Braxton). Urban is not infallible.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 22, 2017 15:24:38 GMT -5
OSU's playbook is no bigger than most college playbooks. I will guarantee Tom Brady's play book is MUCH larger than OSU's playbook. College football and the NFL are completely different games. NFL QB's that run, do not have a very long career. BIG difference between God and one of the top 3 college coaches in the country.
Many college coaches were asked about Ohio State's problems against Clemson and Oklahoma. They all said the problems on offense were not the fault of their QB. To a man they said the problem was O-line play and the offense not evolving like other offenses have over the past 5 years. Urban hired Wilson to "evolve" the offense. The passes you see being thrown now, bubble screens and swing passes, and shallow crossing patterns were a huge part of Wilson's offense for a middle of the pack Indiana team.
Kenny Guiton better than Braxton?? LOL!!!
No one on the OSU roster has anything close to the abilities that Devin Smith had. The guy that caught the 50 yard passes in the playoffs. Devin Smith could run past any Corner in college football, a member of OSU's Big Ten Champion 4X100 relay team. And out jump any Corner in college football for a pass, being a 7-2 higher jumper for the OSU track team.
Zeke ran for 700 yards and scored 8 TDs in the 3 games. The opponents scored 7 TDs
Fire Urban and hire UNLV God.
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 22, 2017 18:35:03 GMT -5
Cause Michael Thomas was garbage. Lol.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 22, 2017 21:16:56 GMT -5
Michael Thomas does his business running great routes and has great hands. At the NFL combine Devin Smith ran 4.37 40, Michael Thomas 4.57, Smith's Vertical jump was 39", Thomas was 35". LOL
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Post by tommygunn on Sept 23, 2017 6:47:39 GMT -5
When OSU plays bad, its everyone else's fault, other than JTs. When OSU plays good, JT is the highlight. We get it Filly lol. Take JT's cock out of your mouth.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 23, 2017 8:40:35 GMT -5
When OSU plays bad, its everyone else's fault, other than JTs. When OSU plays good, JT is the highlight. We get it Filly lol. Take JT's cock out of your mouth. No......., when the team plays poorly, the J.T. haters pile all the blame on the QB. When the team plays well, the J.T. haters give zero credit to the QB and harp on an incompletion here or an incompletion there. When he earns Big Ten player of the week awards, it's simply politics. We get it.
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Post by tommygunn on Sept 23, 2017 14:17:01 GMT -5
JT, still cant throw a ball consistently 10+ yards downfield, even against a poopy UNLV. Haskins, aka CJ jr is the future and should start.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 23, 2017 14:25:13 GMT -5
Watching Haskins over an extended period of play, I don't see him budging from his current 3rd string status.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 14:32:23 GMT -5
Watching Haskins over an extended period of play, I don't see him budging from his current 3rd string status. After watching Haskins shred the field using many 2nd string players, if you still feel he is a "3rd string" QB two things need to happen. 1. You need your your eyes checked. 2. Haskins needs to transfer. There is no doubt he is a big time QB that should be a starter.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 23, 2017 18:58:06 GMT -5
The 2nd string players are the ones Haskins works with in practice. Ohio State's 2nd string is worse than UNLV's starters
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 23, 2017 19:05:54 GMT -5
When OSU plays bad, its everyone else's fault, other than JTs. When OSU plays good, JT is the highlight. We get it Filly lol. Take JT's cock out of your mouth. All I do is present facts. Tomasia talks like the homo we know he is.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 24, 2017 7:38:43 GMT -5
Watching Haskins over an extended period of play, I don't see him budging from his current 3rd string status. After watching Haskins shred the field using many 2nd string players, if you still feel he is a "3rd string" QB two things need to happen. 1. You need your your eyes checked. 2. Haskins needs to transfer. There is no doubt he is a big time QB that should be a starter. Your rationale makes little sense. You want the QB of the future to transfer? Don't look for that happening my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 7:46:20 GMT -5
After watching Haskins shred the field using many 2nd string players, if you still feel he is a "3rd string" QB two things need to happen. 1. You need your your eyes checked. 2. Haskins needs to transfer. There is no doubt he is a big time QB that should be a starter. Your rationale makes little sense. You want the QB of the future to transfer? Don't look for that happening my friend. Once again you are so wrong. I think he is a starter and should be. YOU feel he is 3rd string. This would place him behind Burrows who is only a year older meaning Haskins would have one season of his own. That to me makes little sense.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 24, 2017 15:46:13 GMT -5
Once again you are so wrong. It is a fact that Haskins was 3rd string until Burrow broke his hand. Some think think Martel is better than all three. Just wait until a REAL spread read option QB gets here next year. The weak will transfer.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 25, 2017 0:16:33 GMT -5
Once again you are so wrong. It is a fact that Haskins was 3rd string until Burrow broke his hand. Some think think Martel is better than all three. Just wait until a REAL spread read option QB gets here next year. The weak will transfer. Exactly! You beat me to it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 5:46:27 GMT -5
jock,
I'm not debating where he WAS on the chart. What I am saying is now that the world has seen him, If you feel he is the 3rd string at OSU then either your eyes need checked or he needs to transfer. He do not see him being on the bench for his college career.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 25, 2017 8:48:45 GMT -5
Remember when Cardale was 3rd string? He won a National Championship and never lost a single game as the starting QB for THE Ohio State University. Thank you Cardale.
Starting QB's under Urban Meyer and their regular season record 32-0 - Cardale Jones, Braxton Miller and Kenny Guiton 28-4 - JT Barrett IV
Yep, JT is the only QB to ever lose a regular season game for Urban Meyer at OSU and he hasn't just lost 1, or 2, or 3, but 4 of them. Kenny could throw it deep, Cardale could throw it deep and Braxton was a similar thrower but Braxton was an elite runner, not adequate.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 25, 2017 9:05:39 GMT -5
Here are the offensive outputs in the 7 losses of Urban Meyer at OSU with the starting QB listed. 0 - JT Barrett IV vs Clemson 2016 14 - JT Barrett IV vs Mich St 2015 16 - JT Barrett IV vs Oklahoma 2017 21 - JT Barrett IV vs Virginia Tech 2014 21 - JT Barrett IV vs Penn State 2016 24 - Braxton Miller vs Mich St 2013 35 - Braxton Miller vs Clemson 2013
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 25, 2017 15:16:19 GMT -5
Remember when Cardale was 3rd string? He won a National Championship and never lost a single game as the starting QB for THE Ohio State University. Thank you Cardale. Starting QB's under Urban Meyer and their regular season record 32-0 - Cardale Jones, Braxton Miller and Kenny Guiton 28-4 - JT Barrett IV Yep, JT is the only QB to ever lose a regular season game for Urban Meyer at OSU and he hasn't just lost 1, or 2, or 3, but 4 of them. Kenny could throw it deep, Cardale could throw it deep and Braxton was a similar thrower but Braxton was an elite runner, not adequate. You would be thrown out of a Debate Room with that nonsense. Because A does something and B does something will never be accepted as proof that A could do what B did or vice versa. The only logic in your statement is that it took 3 As to win 4 more games than 1 B did. Logic also implies that the more attempts at anything increases the odds to fail at something.
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Post by galion on Sept 25, 2017 18:49:57 GMT -5
Logic also implies that the more attempts also increases the odds to succeed.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 26, 2017 17:32:31 GMT -5
Logic also implies that the more attempts also increases the odds to succeed. Unless you're Kansas, Washington State, Duke, Indiana, Rutgers or 50 other miserable teams. Simply playing more games doesn't doesn't elevate anyone out of the 'suck' category....lol
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