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Post by lozenger4 on Nov 10, 2017 7:28:35 GMT -5
Galion's scrimmage schedule: 11/14- Bellevue and Lexington 11/15- Willard 11/18- Ridgedale They had a scrimmage on 11/11 with Wynford that was cancelled. I've heard that Galion's numbers are down right now. They have just 6 or 7 freshman (4 out of 5 starters from last year aren't playing) and a couple of their top JV players from last year aren't playing this year. They also had a couple of their top Varsity players almost didn't play either. I heard most aren't playing because of coaching but some aren't playing for other reasons. From the sounds of what you're describing, this could be a brutal year for Galion. As a cautionary warning, don't get too excited about that Ridgedale scrimmage if things go well. Ridgedale was a bottom 3 seed in the D4 Central District tournament last year and lost their only two good players to graduation. Their coach left so the returning players will be learning a new system as well. Still, that's a good final one to build momentum for the season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 8:17:43 GMT -5
Galion's scrimmage schedule: 11/14- Bellevue and Lexington 11/15- Willard 11/18- Ridgedale They had a scrimmage on 11/11 with Wynford that was cancelled. I've heard that Galion's numbers are down right now. They have just 6 or 7 freshman (4 out of 5 starters from last year aren't playing) and a couple of their top JV players from last year aren't playing this year. They also had a couple of their top Varsity players almost didn't play either. I heard most aren't playing because of coaching but some aren't playing for other reasons. Bellevue's basketball must not have many guys playing tonight to have a scrimmage 4 days later. Win or Lose.
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Post by averagejoe on Nov 11, 2017 21:09:47 GMT -5
Starting lineup should look something like this
1 Kaden Hooks 2 not sure could be Jayden Jacobs, or even Griffin Shaver 3 Kyshonne Brooks 4 Chance Mott 5 Logan Jones Sept 23, 2017 21:28:29 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:
I'm told Ontario got an interesting transfer. The best player in the Sophomore class of an N-10 school, that was on their varsity roster last year.
They will be VERY young, but talented. Return 1 starter and 2 more letter winners. Could eventually start 1 Senior, 3 Sophs and 1 Freshman. This year's Freshman had a really good summer of AAU ball. He averaged 19 PPG, made 90% of his free throws, 74% of 2-pointers and 42% of 3-pointers last year playing PG for the 8th grade NOL Title team. Good size in the the potential starting line-up 6-7, 6-4, 6-3, 6-2, 5-11 who can all run the floor. The 6-7 could be the best 3-point shooter. Lack of experience, only 2 Seniors on the team, and not a lot of talent off the bench will be a problem. I'm interested to see who has the correct prediction. A transfer who was the best player in the N10 school he came from is a joke. If it is the kid I know he may see reserve minutes. And if Ontario is playing a freshman at varsity for the second straight year it's not a good thing.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 11, 2017 23:37:30 GMT -5
I was given bad info by a relative of a varsity player. First, the school was not the school I was told he was from. Secondly, the school he came from, he was not the best player in his class. He was with the varsity at today's scrimmage, but having to sit the first 11 games due to open enrolling, he could not play. Guard play is so inexperienced on this team, he should help if not too far behind after sitting 11 games.
Guard play is weak with Cam Todd injured. There are TWO Freshmen guards on varsity. One of the 2 Freshmen started in today's scrimmage.
Since that post you reference, Ontario lost their most "athletic" player in Todd who grew 3 inches since last year. Also a 6-3 Soph forward on last year's varsity isn't ready to play yet, still rehabbing from knee surgery that was done last basketball season.
As I said, with only 2 Seniors on the roster, and 2 Sophomores and 2 Freshman. Means there's a lot of inexperience, regardless of talent. By far the youngest team in Balogh's 32 years. With Todd lost for the season, another still rehabbing and another sitting the first 11 games, there are 2 or 3 starting that should be coming off the bench and 2 or 3 on Varsity that would normally be playing JV ball. I "predict" fewer wins than OHS2017 predicts. BTW, Jayden Jacobs can't play a "2" in Balogh's offense unless he works on his ball handling and outside shot.
Patience will be the key this year. Ontario will have a better team next year and an even better team in 2 years.
I left with an hour left in today's scrimmage. Ross was by far the best team there. Napoleon the weakest. Not sure, but I think Vermilion was there. Them, Perkins and Ontario were close to equals.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 11:36:43 GMT -5
I can't say who will be starting for Ontario but will tell you Jones and Mott are locks and the rest are TBA. The reported N10 transfer was flat out wrong. The kid did not play in the N10 last season and was not close to being the best player in the class. But they did get a kid from Mansfield Senior and Mansfield Christian along with the kid from Colonel. With Todd out it changes a lot from last season and they already had big spots to fill.
It is also an interesting fact that Ontario may have a varsity roster which includes 4 players that did not play in the Ontario JH program.
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 12, 2017 14:42:50 GMT -5
This may be a below average team by Ontario's standards but they will still be a top 3 team in the MOAC. Basketball in the MOAC is not good and I think this year will be even worse than last year. Ontario and Clear Fork will most likely be the top 2 teams in conference.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 12, 2017 15:18:52 GMT -5
I don't know gt, no experienced athletic Junior or Senior guards like Trey Jordon, Quan Jackson, Jackson Todd, Bradley Gaverick, Paul Homan, Corey Thomas, Lennel Shelby, Cam Mack, Brandon Wagner.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Nov 12, 2017 19:27:44 GMT -5
This may be a below average team by Ontario's standards but they will still be a top 3 team in the MOAC. Basketball in the MOAC is not good and I think this year will be even worse than last year. Ontario and Clear Fork will most likely be the top 2 teams in conference. Agreed. Clear Fork should be really good as well as several of the football freak athletes will be playing basketball as well. I don’t follow basketball very closely but got this from a very reliable source. Look for Clear Fork and Ontario to be at the top of the conference.
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 12, 2017 20:47:28 GMT -5
This may be a below average team by Ontario's standards but they will still be a top 3 team in the MOAC. Basketball in the MOAC is not good and I think this year will be even worse than last year. Ontario and Clear Fork will most likely be the top 2 teams in conference. Agreed. Clear Fork should be really good as well as several of the football freak athletes will be playing basketball as well. I don’t follow basketball very closely but got this from a very reliable source. Look for Clear Fork and Ontario to be at the top of the conference. Clear Fork returns their top 2 scorers: Chance Barnett (14.83 ppg as a JR) and Brennan South (7.91 ppg as a FR).
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 12, 2017 20:49:58 GMT -5
I don't know gt, no experienced athletic Junior or Senior guards like Trey Jordon, Quan Jackson, Jackson Todd, Bradley Gaverick, Paul Homan, Corey Thomas, Lennel Shelby, Cam Mack, Brandon Wagner. I understand. They may not have a lot but I think they have enough talent that Balogh will have them at the top of the conference.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 21:28:58 GMT -5
This may be a below average team by Ontario's standards but they will still be a top 3 team in the MOAC. Basketball in the MOAC is not good and I think this year will be even worse than last year. Ontario and Clear Fork will most likely be the top 2 teams in conference.I don't see any way that happens in a league with BV, Harding, Pleasant and NU. Since Ontario returns 1 starter and Clear Fork won 5 games last season.
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Post by galion on Nov 13, 2017 4:03:43 GMT -5
You guys also laughed when I suggested CF might win the MOAC in football because they had a losing record last season in the OCC.
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Post by gatesofbabylon25 on Nov 13, 2017 5:34:29 GMT -5
I agree Dude. Pleasant should be alright and BV will be young, but athletic and well coached. MH returns a couple nice players as well so league will be hard to pick.
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Post by averagejoe on Nov 13, 2017 8:13:44 GMT -5
I don't know gt, no experienced athletic Junior or Senior guards like Trey Jordon, Quan Jackson, Jackson Todd, Bradley Gaverick, Paul Homan, Corey Thomas, Lennel Shelby, Cam Mack, Brandon Wagner. Where did they go? The same guy has been running the program for 30 years. Should he have developed a player? His best player is a move in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:35:34 GMT -5
You guys also laughed when I suggested CF might win the MOAC in football because they had a losing record last season in the OCC. Not all laughed. Some knew CF would be good in football but may have also thought Pleasant and others could be good as well. Since Pleasant out played them and it took CF OT to win and BV was a close game, we know they had some good MOAC games.
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Post by 4 on Nov 13, 2017 11:54:07 GMT -5
Idk out CF and Ontario a whole lot. SOunds like Ontario team to beat. You’ll find harding and bv torward the top I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 12:20:13 GMT -5
This may be a below average team by Ontario's standards but they will still be a top 3 team in the MOAC. Basketball in the MOAC is not good and I think this year will be even worse than last year. Ontario and Clear Fork will most likely be the top 2 teams in conference.How many MOAC fans see this happening? If this does happen it could be a sad statement about the MOAC as Clear Fork has had 4 winning season in the last 15 years and Ontario could be the least experienced team they have had in the last 30 years.
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 13, 2017 13:13:26 GMT -5
This may be a below average team by Ontario's standards but they will still be a top 3 team in the MOAC. Basketball in the MOAC is not good and I think this year will be even worse than last year. Ontario and Clear Fork will most likely be the top 2 teams in conference.How many MOAC fans see this happening? If this does happen it could be a sad statement about the MOAC as Clear Fork has had 4 winning season in the last 15 years and Ontario could be the least experienced team they have had in the last 30 years. Why is it a sad statement? Clear Fork has been playing in the OCC which is a lot tougher conference with bigger schools than the MOAC. Also, Ontario hasn't had a losing record in conference games since the 91-92 season. I think it's a good thing that the MOAC has added some schools that can play basketball. Both schools did win Sectional titles last season too... I didn't say they would dominate the conference. They're just my picks to finish at the top.
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 13, 2017 13:18:37 GMT -5
I agree Dude. Pleasant should be alright and BV will be young, but athletic and well coached. MH returns a couple nice players as well so league will be hard to pick. I like BV's coach. He gets his teams to play really hard all the time. My second favorite coach in the conference, just behind Balogh... Also, I heard BV has some good middle schoolers right now so they should be even better in a couple years.
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Post by ronburgandy on Nov 13, 2017 13:23:27 GMT -5
I haven't read entire thread so I'm not sure if it's been talked about but I saw that Logan Houle is now playing for Ontario. He played with Colonel Crawford in junior high then transferred to Oak Hill Academy last year. How did he end up at Ontario? Why didn't he go back to CC? I don't know all the background to this story. But I do know he's probably one of the better players in the area and best in his class around here. CC would've had one hell of a team with him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 14:27:46 GMT -5
How many MOAC fans see this happening? If this does happen it could be a sad statement about the MOAC as Clear Fork has had 4 winning season in the last 15 years and Ontario could be the least experienced team they have had in the last 30 years. Why is it a sad statement? Clear Fork has been playing in the OCC which is a lot tougher conference with bigger schools than the MOAC. Also, Ontario hasn't had a losing record in conference games since the 91-92 season. I think it's a good thing that the MOAC has added some schools that can play basketball. Both schools did win Sectional titles last season too... I didn't say they would dominate the conference. They're just my picks to finish at the top. Both schools will be coming from tougher leagues than they are going into, no debate. That being said, Clear Fork has not had a winning record in non-league play for years and those are schools smaller than the OCC schools. Last few years losing to Lucas, Fredericktown, Hillsdale, Mansfield Christian, Northmor and Centerburg. Clear Fork did not lose because they were in the OCC, they lost because they were not very good. Just like football, when they were good they won games. Ontario may have the least experienced team it has had in the last 30 years and you are saying either of them could win the MOAC. I'm not saying your picks are wrong, I only added my thoughts. BUT, if your picks come true, I think it is a sad statement for the MOAC. IMO
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 13, 2017 14:42:27 GMT -5
Why is it a sad statement? Clear Fork has been playing in the OCC which is a lot tougher conference with bigger schools than the MOAC. Also, Ontario hasn't had a losing record in conference games since the 91-92 season. I think it's a good thing that the MOAC has added some schools that can play basketball. Both schools did win Sectional titles last season too... I didn't say they would dominate the conference. They're just my picks to finish at the top. Both schools will be coming from tougher leagues than they are going into, no debate. That being said, Clear Fork has not had a winning record in non-league play for years and those are schools smaller than the OCC schools. Last few years losing to Lucas, Fredericktown, Hillsdale, Mansfield Christian, Northmor and Centerburg. Clear Fork did not lose because they were in the OCC, they lost because they were not very good. Just like football, when they were good they won games. Ontario may have the least experienced team it has had in the last 30 years and you are saying either of them could win the MOAC. I'm not saying your picks are wrong, I only added my thoughts. BUT, if your picks come true, I think it is a sad statement for the MOAC. IMO Ok, I understand what you're saying. If you read my posts you would see that I have said that the MOAC is a bad basketball conference. So IMO adding 2 teams that could win the conference in their first year is actually a good thing. If they added 2 teams who couldn't compete for the top spot then that would just make a bad conference even worse. So adding 2 teams that I expect to finish at the top makes the conference a LITTLE better in basketball. I know they're not great teams this year but they're just as good if not better than what we have so I think that's a good thing for the conference. Does that make sense?(not rhetorical, I just want to make sure I make sense even if you don't agree, haha)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 15:31:06 GMT -5
Ok, I understand what you're saying. If you read my posts you would see that I have said that the MOAC is a bad basketball conference. So IMO adding 2 teams that could win the conference in their first year is actually a good thing. If they added 2 teams who couldn't compete for the top spot then that would just make a bad conference even worse. So adding 2 teams that I expect to finish at the top makes the conference a LITTLE better in basketball. I know they're not great teams this year but they're just as good if not better than what we have so I think that's a good thing for the conference. Does that make sense?(not rhetorical, I just want to make sure I make sense even if you don't agree, haha) I understand what you are trying to say, but I feel you may be down playing the MOAC a little and giving the new teams a little to much glory this early. Last season Harding(13-9), North Union(17-5) and Pleasant(16-6) all had winning records. To think that a 5-16 team last year can come in and win the league is interesting.
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Post by gt1975 on Nov 13, 2017 16:10:01 GMT -5
Ok, I understand what you're saying. If you read my posts you would see that I have said that the MOAC is a bad basketball conference. So IMO adding 2 teams that could win the conference in their first year is actually a good thing. If they added 2 teams who couldn't compete for the top spot then that would just make a bad conference even worse. So adding 2 teams that I expect to finish at the top makes the conference a LITTLE better in basketball. I know they're not great teams this year but they're just as good if not better than what we have so I think that's a good thing for the conference. Does that make sense?(not rhetorical, I just want to make sure I make sense even if you don't agree, haha) I understand what you are trying to say, but I feel you may be down playing the MOAC a little and giving the new teams a little to much glory this early. Last season Harding(13-9), North Union(17-5) and Pleasant(16-6) all had winning records. To think that a 5-16 team last year can come in and win the league is interesting. I don't think I am down playing the MOAC. None of the teams, except for Clear Fork and Ontario, won a tournament game last year. All the teams except for CF, BV, and GL, lost their best players from last year... I may end up being wrong. I'm just trying to explain why I picked it the way I did. It will probably be close at the top of the conference but a big drop off when you get to Galion, River Valley, and North Unio. IMO
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Post by 4 on Nov 13, 2017 17:45:48 GMT -5
I think harding will do pretty well. Non conference probably be rough, but they have there best player Elijah Browley, quite a few athletes in Dejuan smith, Damonte smith, Deante Smith, Devon Fraker, Garey Moaney, Tobias Reece, Deshaun McKinney. Then they’ll have few more role players in layne Stephens, Mitch Meyers. I think Rv and Galion torward bottom with NU. Rest of league is unknown how it finishes.
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Post by gatesofbabylon25 on Nov 13, 2017 20:56:00 GMT -5
I agree Dude. Pleasant should be alright and BV will be young, but athletic and well coached. MH returns a couple nice players as well so league will be hard to pick. I like BV's coach. He gets his teams to play really hard all the time. My second favorite coach in the conference, just behind Balogh... Also, I heard BV has some good middle schoolers right now so they should be even better in a couple years. BVs 8th grade is real good. Have a good point, great wing player and big Troy in Middle at about 6'5. Freshman class has couple nice players as well so in a couple yrs it will be fun to watch.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 13, 2017 21:26:20 GMT -5
I don't know gt, no experienced athletic Junior or Senior guards like Trey Jordon, Quan Jackson, Jackson Todd, Bradley Gaverick, Paul Homan, Corey Thomas, Lennel Shelby, Cam Mack, Brandon Wagner, from the past 5 years. Where did they go? The same guy has been running the program for 30 years. Should he have developed a player? His best player is a move in. Where did those players go?? DUH, they all graduated. ALL were "developed" by "the same guy". One must have a modicum of athletic ability in order to be "developed" AND be willing to wait your turn. In the Senior class, the 6-7 Jones a two year starter. Of the other top 5 players in the Senior class, the next best player was their PG and he quit playing all sports after his Freshman year to concentrate on academics. A 6-6 kid said he was going to take last year off,(translation) he couldn't wait his turn, he's taking this year off too. The 6-2 Pensante quit last year after he saw Mott and Todd at practice. He said basketball wasn't fun anymore,(translation) he couldn't wait his turn. Both could be starters this year. Senior High's 6-3 QB Open Enrolled from Ontario to Mansfield and played Varsity basketball for Senior last year. The 6th best player in the class is a starter this year. BTW, one has to stick with basketball to take advantage of being "developed", by "the same guy". The best player in the Junior class, a 6-3 forward, was on Varsity as Soph last year. He's still rehabbing from knee surgery. The 2nd and 3rd best players in that class will be in the rotation. The only 3 worthy players in that class. The Sophomore class only has 2 good players, 6-4 Chance Mott, who was the first player off the bench last year as a Freshman, but was better than and played more minutes than the Senior starter. And 6-2 Cam Todd on the varsity last year as a Freshman, out with a broken ankle. The Freshman class is very good. They could beat the Freshman team last year as 8th graders. Currently 2 of them on varsity, the 3rd out with a broken leg, the other 2 should be starters on the JV team. Even without the top 5 Freshman, the Freshman team should be respectable. Much more depth of athletic ability in this year's Freshman class than Junior and Sophomore classes combined. They won the NOL Tournament in dominating fashion last year. All schools have classes lacking in ability, to be "developed". No, the best player this year is not a "move in". "Move ins"?? "Build it and they will come."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 21:41:56 GMT -5
I don't think I am down playing the MOAC. None of the teams, except for Clear Fork and Ontario, won a tournament game last year. All the teams except for CF, BV, and GL, lost their best players from last year... I may end up being wrong. I'm just trying to explain why I picked it the way I did. It will probably be close at the top of the conference but a big drop off when you get to Galion, River Valley, and North Unio. IMO To be clear neither of those teams were in the MOAC last season and what you said is exactly what I am trying to explain to you. They are not the same teams they were last season. It would not be a total shock if both CF and Ontario did not win a tournament game THIS year. Don't forget that Clear Fork took a 1 year drop to D3 last season and is now back in D2. And Ontario will probably not be close to the team they were last year as the #4 seed in the tournament. Again, I am not saying you are wrong, I only see it from a different perspective evidently. I obviously feel Pleasant and Harding will be better than you do. I would not be surprised to see BV in the top half. Other than Galion and RV, I could see the rest in many different orders.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 13, 2017 22:03:45 GMT -5
I haven't read entire thread so I'm not sure if it's been talked about but I saw that Logan Houle is now playing for Ontario. He played with Colonel Crawford in junior high then transferred to Oak Hill Academy last year. How did he end up at Ontario? Why didn't he go back to CC? I don't know all the background to this story. But I do know he's probably one of the better players in the area and best in his class around here. CC would've had one hell of a team with him. ron, You've got a PM
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Post by royalballdad on Nov 14, 2017 6:55:02 GMT -5
I haven't read entire thread so I'm not sure if it's been talked about but I saw that Logan Houle is now playing for Ontario. He played with Colonel Crawford in junior high then transferred to Oak Hill Academy last year. How did he end up at Ontario? Why didn't he go back to CC? I don't know all the background to this story. But I do know he's probably one of the better players in the area and best in his class around here. CC would've had one hell of a team with him. The Houle kid left cc due to having to play JV as a freshman. Went to Oak hill and was on their B team and didn’t get any playing time. No way he would have started on this years cc team. Not sure he is close to being one of the better players in the area. Kid does have some potential. Wish him luck at Ontario.
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