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Post by royalballdad on Nov 25, 2017 15:00:36 GMT -5
Traveled to a few league team’s scrimmages. My Royals will give a ton of effort. Their coach has them believing in themselves. Just worry there is just not enough ball handlers and kids who score on the perimeter to contend at the top of the league. They a have a big kid down low who will be a load but more a football player then hoopster. Upper looked pretty good vs Willard & Vinton County. They will be good. Not sure this team can run the table with wins as the previous past two teams. But only teams I see in the league who can compete with Upper is Carey & Crawford. They lost a ton of scoring from last year. The younger Vent is back playing and has nice size and skill. Dible will have to continue to score and be a leader along with the soph PG. Two JV players from last year will be key players on this team, the post player Holly is a big kid and Clifford is a scorer and solid ball handler. They will play great half court pressure D as they did last year. Haven’t seen Crawford but heard today they were at Mansfield Madison and played a 4 quarter scrimmage/game which CC reportedly won 71-54. Leading after every quarter as well. Not sure how good Madison will be but with the kid from St. Pete’s and having some other tall athletic players this result and score sounds very positive for Crawford.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 25, 2017 23:09:17 GMT -5
Traveled to a few league team’s scrimmages. My Royals will give a ton of effort. Their coach has them believing in themselves. Just worry there is just not enough ball handlers and kids who score on the perimeter to contend at the top of the league. They a have a big kid down low who will be a load but more a football player then hoopster. Upper looked pretty good vs Willard & Vinton County. They will be good. Not sure this team can run the table with wins as the previous past two teams. But only teams I see in the league who can compete with Upper is Carey & Crawford. They lost a ton of scoring from last year. The younger Vent is back playing and has nice size and skill. Dible will have to continue to score and be a leader along with the soph PG. Two JV players from last year will be key players on this team, the post player Holly is a big kid and Clifford is a scorer and solid ball handler. They will play great half court pressure D as they did last year. Haven’t seen Crawford but heard today they were at Mansfield Madison and played a 4 quarter scrimmage/game which CC reportedly won 71-54. Leading after every quarter as well. Not sure how good Madison will be but with the kid from St. Pete’s and having some other tall athletic players this result and score sounds very positive for Crawford. Dad, Where would you put Wynford this year and do they just have that one guy playing down low or can some of them have the knack to do it also?
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Post by bigox on Nov 26, 2017 9:26:27 GMT -5
I think your right about alot royaldad. Wynford is going to need guard scoring to compete with the top three. I see the Smith boy is on the roster. I remember he played guard when he played his freshman and sophomore year. So that might help. Upper has scorers there the Kurtz kid lead jv in scoring as a sophomore before he was asked to be a defensive stop sub. He may replace some of that void this year.
Carey has struggled with scrimmages ahead of the season so far. And not playing very well. It could be just a week behind because of football but the two I watched they looked not as good as the past couple of years.
Bucyrus looked ok I'm the scrimmage I saw. From the parent I talked to the kids are getting used to the coaches expectations. Definitely a different air around there..we shall see if it works for the better.
Seneca East looked VERY solid in the little bit I watched them so they might surprise a lot of the top contenders. Much improved guard play from last year. Post play still is not there for them though
This season can't start fast enough. 😎😎
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 27, 2017 21:39:24 GMT -5
Looks like a 2 team battle for the 2017-2018 trophy.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 28, 2017 18:14:58 GMT -5
Looks like a 2 team battle for the 2017-2018 trophy. Well give son, give. Who do think these two should be and why? As you can see by my helmet that I am not from your area and our paper will not do any reporting from schools surrounding us. I do like your area being flat land but you do have one fault, there are do many dang worthless nuts there. M GO BLUE!!!!
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Post by fbfan on Nov 29, 2017 17:59:32 GMT -5
Colonel Crawford @ Mansfield Christian, at 7:30pm Friday Dec. 1st, on WMFD Mansfield.
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Post by bigox on Dec 1, 2017 22:45:48 GMT -5
Upper 60 Willard 49. Absolutely ugly game. Bet both teams shot below 30%.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 12:26:48 GMT -5
Upper 60 Willard 49. Absolutely ugly game. Bet both teams shot below 30%. That's how Winslow/Upper wants to play. Fast, borderline out of control and quick shots with high number of possessions. Last year this game was 69-50. Very comparable score.
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Post by backgammon on Dec 3, 2017 14:37:55 GMT -5
Not bitter at all. I just called you on your b.s. and you're still backtracking and spinning. Vinton County is NOT THAT GOOD, let alone any kind of power. You're in a fantasy world. Now you have S.E. Ohio producing more college basketball players than N.W. Ohio. I can't fix that kind of stupid. Worked the stellar Athens Regional the past 2 years. It was not good basketball, trust me. And those Columbus teams that get moved to Athens don't fair all that well back at the State tournament, as ScootieDude tried to tell you. Wonder why that is? Maybe they were all that good in the first place, but were STILL good enough to wack your kinfolk from S.E. Ohio. And it's pompous. You'll learn that Junior year, 2nd semester. You call b.s.? Ha! I was going to follow up with a fact check call today! Thanks for more b.s. to call you out on. Your becoming the "Spin Dr." Your statement about 2001 is bull. Your statement about Athens being weak is bull. Do you homework first before coming on here and leaving a big turd. Look it up on a factual site not just from your memory. Like the oshaa website. Athens regions in division 2 and 3 have bested the b.g. region on a fairly consistent basis when they are paired since 1999. And had it not been for a few overtime wins it would be different in their favor. And it was O.G. who many on here do t even claim as from our area..Fantasy world? Ha I find you quite odd. This made my morning over my cup of coffee you need to do some more research before spewing such comments. Schools in that area have produced more college athletes than our area. Has a lot to do with that inbreeding you referrer to. Ha! Worked huh? Well aren't you special. Ever coached in the area? Hmmm? Ever recruited for a college in the area? Hmm? Because I have. Never backtracked one bit. But I like how you come on here and and act like your all knowing I too have been around. Your not talking to a kid. Just a guy who knows alot about basketball that can't spell check nor cares if he doesn't spell everything right. Now I guess we can agree to disagree with the quality of basketball from southeast Ohio. Let's move back to our area of the state 😎😎 Here Ox. Come here Lil' Oxy. I'll address your almost incoherent ramblings in order. Let me begin with the bold sections. 2001 IS VERY MUCH CORRECT!!! Here's what I wrote (clipped from my earlier post) For the record, NO school in their division of the powerhouse TVC has ever won one of those pesky Regional titles that ScootieDude mentioned. IN FACT, only 2 teams from the entire 16-TEAM CONFERENCE have even been to State since the turn of the century. And both of them were in 2001, or what is referred to as the GOLDEN AGE of the TVC. LOL!!! www.ohsaa.org/Portals/0/Sports/Basketball-Boys/BBKAllTimeStateTournamentParticipants.pdfIs that link "factual" enough? And did you really believe that I'd ever "spew" such WITHOUT researching? LOL! I'll save some of our viewers the trouble. In 2001, Belpre (D3) and Reedsville Eastern (D4) from the TVC each won a Regional title. Nice seasons, cool feat. Belpre lost by 4 in OT, and Eastern was WAXED by 23. Whose memory is fading now? As for the italicized portion, ScottieDude already repeated his and my stance. The numbers that I RESEARCHED SHOW the SE doesn't hang well in Columbus, and the numbers are even WORSE when you factor in that Columbus schools are WINNING your Regional (10 times since 1999 in D2 ALONE, versus twice in NW). The numbers in D3 are far less glaring, 3 Franklin County schools versus 0 NW. You're spinning, again, when you claim that some don't consider O-G "from our area." The "area" is what WE (you and I) defined it as, SE vs. NW. It doesn't MATTER what anyone else considers! And further, if O-G isn't in our area (NW), just where the hell ARE they from? You are merely squirming to try in vain to find a way out of the corner your uninformed statements painted you in to. Now you are trying to discount "some overtime games." Holy Guacamole! In D2, it's 5-2 in favor of the NW vs. SE. So much for your "fairly consistent basis." If you add in the D3, it's still 8-5, making it 62% - 38%. In an election, that's a landslide! Wanna talk about STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS? In D2 it's 6-2 in favor of the NW, and in D3 the tilt is hilariously more pronounced. 7-0 Junior. 7 freakin' Oh, my God SE hoops fall far short of NW. The NW has almost double the championships, 7, than the SE has APPEARANCES in the championship (only 4 in the last 19 years!). Had enough research yet?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 3, 2017 15:40:40 GMT -5
Upper 60 Willard 49. Absolutely ugly game. Bet both teams shot below 30%. That's how Winslow/Upper wants to play. Fast, borderline out of control and quick shots with high number of possessions. Last year this game was 69-50. Very comparable score. What I've noticed about Upper's "running game". When Upper is on defense and their opponent takes a shot. The Upper player furthest from the basket immediately takes off for the other end of the floor, while his 4 teammates crash the boards. If an Upper player gets the rebound they know a teammate is at the foul line at the other end of the court. In my day they used to call that "pot hanging".
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Post by Hagen on Dec 5, 2017 9:44:18 GMT -5
That's how Winslow/Upper wants to play. Fast, borderline out of control and quick shots with high number of possessions. Last year this game was 69-50. Very comparable score. What I've noticed about Upper's "running game". When Upper is on defense and their opponent takes a shot. The Upper player furthest from the basket immediately takes off for the other end of the floor, while his 4 teammates crash the boards. If an Upper player gets the rebound they know a teammate is at the foul line at the other end of the court. In my day they used to call that "pot hanging". Several teams do this, especially in the area, & it's nothing new. I'm indifferent to it. It's a counter for having an offense sending all 5 players to rebound. Smart teams would cover the release player. Come tournament time, this adjustment is made by good teams. In short:
Release points > 2nd chance points given up = Good Release points < 2nd chance points given up = Bad
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 5, 2017 12:00:16 GMT -5
Certainly not new, as I noted they did it in my day. That method, the least involved, is one of several ways to fast break
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 7:45:51 GMT -5
What I've noticed about Upper's "running game". When Upper is on defense and their opponent takes a shot. The Upper player furthest from the basket immediately takes off for the other end of the floor, while his 4 teammates crash the boards. If an Upper player gets the rebound they know a teammate is at the foul line at the other end of the court. In my day they used to call that "pot hanging". Several teams do this, especially in the area, & it's nothing new. I'm indifferent to it. It's a counter for having an offense sending all 5 players to rebound. Smart teams would cover the release player. Come tournament time, this adjustment is made by good teams. In short:
Release points > 2nd chance points given up = Good Release points < 2nd chance points given up = Bad And I thought they were winning because they were a good D2 school playing in a D4 league.
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Post by bballfrenzy on Dec 6, 2017 9:56:54 GMT -5
I clicked on this thread thinking I’d see something about the N10, boy was I wrong.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 6, 2017 11:24:02 GMT -5
My Royals get a 6 pt win vs Ashland Crestview in a very ugly sloppy game by both teams. Not sure either team is in the top of their respective leagues. Next up for Wynford is hosting Bucyrus.
Carey picks up two road wins vs Riverdale by 28 pts. & Van Buren by 1 pt. They have a big game again on the road at Crawford this Saturday.
Bucyrus looks, well like the same Bucyrus in that they will struggle to win games. Lost to a not real strong Galion team by 17 pts. on Friday and then on Sat to a very good Northmor team by 39 pts.
Ridgedale played in Hopewell-Loudon's tournament and beat Temple Christian by 11 pts. on Friday then on Sat get beat by host HL by 28 pts.
Buckeye Central losses two. Friday losing to Plymouth by 1 pt in what seems like a 1 pt game every year and then soundly beat by South Central on Saturday by 24 pts. Buckeye at Mohawk Sat.
Upper beats Willard by 11 pts. in a closer game then what probably should have been especially after their 1st quarter scoring frenzy. Then on Sat easily beat Tiffin Columbia by 32 pts. Upper has Galion Thursday and Shelby Sat. The Sat game should be a good early test.
Seneca East who I believe is the 3rd-4th best N10 team beats Plymouth on Sat by 8 pts. SE host Ridgedale Sat.
Crawford goes to Mansfield Christian on Friday and took care of business at a tough place to play winning by 16 pts. Crawford has a huge game at Northmor tonight & Carey in their home opener Sat.
Mohawk goes to New Reigel on Friday and gives them a game losing by 8 pts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 22:11:33 GMT -5
Northmor over CC in OT 66-63.
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Post by sweathog on Dec 7, 2017 10:37:03 GMT -5
Looks like CC Central Catholic will need to recruit more after loss to Northmor !!! lmao
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Post by bballfrenzy on Dec 7, 2017 11:07:08 GMT -5
I don’t know much about Northmor, is this an upset or does northmor have a talented group this year?
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Post by gt1975 on Dec 7, 2017 11:30:16 GMT -5
Northmor is good this year
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Post by Hagen on Dec 7, 2017 12:32:43 GMT -5
Looks like CC Central Catholic will need to recruit more after loss to Northmor !!! lmao But not too much more. 127-128 is the split between D3 and D4. CCCC already is at 118.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 12:53:53 GMT -5
Looks like CC Central Catholic will need to recruit more after loss to Northmor !!! lmao But not too much more. 127-128 is the split between D3 and D4. CCCC already is at 118. I cannot believe that with all the kids that joined the CC team from other districts they would not have a competitive balance number that would put them over the D4 limit. Of course when you are the AD and the coach your CB number is up to you.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 7, 2017 12:55:00 GMT -5
As a Wynford fan. Beating Crawford in anything always gives me a good feeling. Loved beating them at Crawford a few season ago in hoops - as we were the big underdog.
BUT.. not sure what this recruiting issue is with a few of you.
Just looking at this years starters. Harley Shaum, Sr. been at CC since 7th grade. - Mom & Dad separated and he lives with Dad in Crawford district. Jordan Fenner, Soph. came from Shelby in 9th grade. - Mom is a long time teacher at the school and both Mom/Dad coach the girl's varsity b-ball team Haden Bute, Sr. been at Crawford since grade school Brody Martin, Sr. been at Crawford since grade school Cam McCreary, Soph. been at Crawford since grade school Reis Walker, Soph. been at Crawford since grade school Zye Shipman, Jun. been at Crawford since grade school Chase Walker, Fr. been at Crawford since grade school Gavin Feichtner, Soph. been at Crawford since 7th grade - Mom is a Crawford grad and Grandma is a former School Board member
The only kid that you could say was recruited is the Feichtner kid, but as much as I would like to see him still be at Wynford He left as a 6th grader. And tough to not listen to Mom's & Grandma's. The Fenner kid from what I heard was always at Crawford during the summers in the gym since he was in grade school. With the Mom being a teacher and coach. Shaum moved btw 6th & 7th grade into the school district with his Dad
Just not sure there really has been any recruiting. Maybe I am wrong and there are some things I just have not heard about behind the scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 13:08:32 GMT -5
As a Wynford fan. Beating Crawford in anything always gives me a good feeling. Loved beating them at Crawford a few season ago in hoops - as we were the big underdog. BUT.. not sure what this recruiting issue is with a few of you. Just looking at this years starters. Harley Shaum, Sr. been at CC since 7th grade. - Mom & Dad separated and he lives with Dad in Crawford district. Jordan Fenner, Soph. came from Shelby in 9th grade. - Mom is a long time teacher at the school and both Mom/Dad coach the girl's varsity b-ball team Haden Bute, Sr. been at Crawford since grade school Brody Martin, Sr. been at Crawford since grade school Cam McCreary, Soph. been at Crawford since grade school Reis Walker, Soph. been at Crawford since grade school Zye Shipman, Jun. been at Crawford since grade school Chase Walker, Fr. been at Crawford since grade school Gavin Feichtner, Soph. been at Crawford since 7th grade - Mom is a Crawford grad and Grandma is a former School Board member The only kid that you could say was recruited is the Feichtner kid, but as much as I would like to see him still be at Wynford He left as a 6th grader. And tough to not listen to Mom's & Grandma's. The Fenner kid from what I heard was always at Crawford during the summers in the gym since he was in grade school. With the Mom being a teacher and coach. Shaum moved btw 6th & 7th grade into the school district with his Dad Just not sure there really has been any recruiting. Maybe I am wrong and there are some things I just have not heard about behind the scenes. CB is based on last years roster. So the 1 senior and the kids that did not return would also get counted. Plus it matters if the kids are living in the district. An open enrolled kid gets a different amount given. Kids can go there for the entire 12 years but if they are open enrolled they still have a CB number.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 7, 2017 13:20:59 GMT -5
What kid's that did not return? Only 1 senior last year - the tall kid who went to Ashland. You stated: "I cannot believe that with all the kids that joined the CC team from other districts" What all? Only the two kids Feichtner (Wynford) & Fenner (Shelby) don't live in the district and open enroll. And the Feichtner kid has a broken wrist and hasn't played this year. All the remaining players all live in the school district
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 13:44:35 GMT -5
What kid's that did not return? Only 1 senior last year - the tall kid who went to Ashland. You stated: "I cannot believe that with all the kids that joined the CC team from other districts" What all? Only the two kids Feichtner (Wynford) & Fenner (Shelby) don't live in the district and open enroll. And the Feichtner kid has a broken wrist and hasn't played this year. All the remaining players all live in the school district Are you saying every kid lives in the district other than Fenner and Feichtner and have since before 7th grade? Did they only have 13 guys playing last season? The program shows 12 that are tenth grade and up this year so adding 1 senior would give them 13.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 7, 2017 13:52:20 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge. Yes - the only two players in the program are Fenner & Feichtner both sophomores open enroll Maybe there is a kid on JV.. but again to my knowledge all have and are currently living in the school district but those two.
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Post by Hagen on Dec 7, 2017 14:03:02 GMT -5
Just looking at this years starters. Harley Shaum, Sr. been at CC since 7th grade.Jordan Fenner, Soph. came from Shelby in 9th grade. Haden Bute, Sr. been at Crawford since grade school Brody Martin, Sr. been at Crawford since grade school Cam McCreary, Soph. been at Crawford since grade school Reis Walker, Soph. been at Crawford since grade school Zye Shipman, Jun. been at Crawford since grade school Chase Walker, Fr. been at Crawford since grade school Gavin Feichtner, Soph. been at Crawford since 7th gradeOnly the two kids Feichtner (Wynford) & Fenner (Shelby) don't live in the district and open enroll. Because of the players you mentioned above, 1/3 of them are not stereotypical "homegrown" players (at least since 7th grade). Anything against the norm is forbidden. By the way, has CC really started 9 different players in two games this season? Or did you mean varsity players? If so, 11 of them are listed on the league site. CC's boys basketball CB number is 8, which I'm assuming is 3-4 players, dependent on their tiers. All players listed in the HS program (9th-12th) are included. So yes, JV players matter. CC's girls basketball has a CB of 23, which probably means they have a handful of players included in CB. OHSAA Competitive Balance page: < LINK>
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 14:33:26 GMT -5
Just looking at this years starters. Harley Shaum, Sr. been at CC since 7th grade.Jordan Fenner, Soph. came from Shelby in 9th grade. Haden Bute, Sr. been at Crawford since grade school Brody Martin, Sr. been at Crawford since grade school Cam McCreary, Soph. been at Crawford since grade school Reis Walker, Soph. been at Crawford since grade school Zye Shipman, Jun. been at Crawford since grade school Chase Walker, Fr. been at Crawford since grade school Gavin Feichtner, Soph. been at Crawford since 7th gradeOnly the two kids Feichtner (Wynford) & Fenner (Shelby) don't live in the district and open enroll. Because of the players you mentioned above, 1/3 of them are not stereotypical "homegrown" players (at least since 7th grade). Anything against the norm is forbidden. By the way, has CC really started 9 different players in two games this season? Or did you mean varsity players? If so, 11 of them are listed on the league site. CC's boys basketball CB number is 8, which I'm assuming is 3-4 players, dependent on their tiers. All players listed in the HS program (9th-12th) are included. So yes, JV players matter. CC's girls basketball has a CB of 23, which probably means they have a handful of players included in CB. OHSAA Competitive Balance page: < LINK> This years CB goes from last years roster, so it would be based off last season's 9th - 12th grade players. And if any open enroll they would have a CB of 5 themselves.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 7, 2017 14:55:29 GMT -5
Regardless if there are kids on JV team who open enroll, which I am not certain there are any.. The beef with several of the posters on here, calling Crawford "CCC" and saying that they are recruiting Would be more with the Varsity team - I would think. As Crawford's JV team this year and last - is/was not that great. This years JV team is playing 2 Juniors & the rest Freshman. With the best Frosh splitting time btw JV/Varsity. Bottom line: Not sure "Open Enrollment" can be considered recruiting Not sure it has a huge effect on the quality of CC's team.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 7, 2017 15:02:01 GMT -5
Because of the players you mentioned above, 1/3 of them are not stereotypical "homegrown" players (at least since 7th grade). Anything against the norm is forbidden. By the way, has CC really started 9 different players in two games this season? Or did you mean varsity players? If so, 11 of them are listed on the league site. This years CB goes from last years roster, so it would be based off last season's 9th - 12th grade players. And if any open enroll they would have a CB of 5 themselves. Agree not "Homegrown" But Recruiting? Shaum came because of where is Father lived. Fenner came because of where is Mom & Dad work/Coach. Feichtner as I stated could be the only kid of the 3, but his Mom & Grandma are CC alumni. And he came to CC btw 6th 7 7th grade. The same with Shaum. So again, where is this "CCC" and "Recruiting" issue coming from? Just do not see any of this as Recruiting. I am sure you can go through many of the area teams and find 2-5 kids who changed schools in Middle & Junior High and aren't as you say "Homegrown". Recruiting to me is when the players show up after Junior High or between 8th & 9th grade. And it is easily deducted that they showed up for basketball. And yes - the 9 I listed are all varsity players.
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