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Post by Hagen on Mar 1, 2018 8:29:39 GMT -5
bigox, ... You have some explaining to do. New Willy character:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 8:39:03 GMT -5
N10 in tournament play is 1-5 so far.
Upper Sandusky (play 3/2) Colonel Crawford (play 3/2) Mohawk (play 3/2) Carey (1-0) Seneca East (0-1) Buckeye Central (0-1) Wynford (0-1) Bucyrus (0-1) Ridgedale (0-1)
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Post by bigox on Mar 1, 2018 8:42:13 GMT -5
bigox, Above is what you said about Lucas. QUOTE: "Lucas was wanted out and that was known for some time." WHO wanted Lucas out? WHY was Lucas wanted out? "Some time" MUST mean before Upper and Galion were unanimously voted into the NCC. Was Lucas wanted out because they were great in basketball and football? What sports WERE they good at?? Did they run up the score? Did their AD also hurt the feelings of a certain AD? Riverdale is 45 miles from CC, Lucas is 28 miles from CC. SO, when in the past it was said they were too far East, it was another falsehood. NOW...I can see why Carey, Mohawk and SE would want them out.....But you're telling us they weren't a part of the original discussion. You have some explaining to do. Exactly what I said.. nowhere did I broach the subject of travel time or distance. When Upper and Galion were voted in in 2009 there was discord with Lucas and a few members then. Lucas was not on board with adding those two then but went with the majority. This was talked about way back then... Two years is sufficient for "some time." yes?
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Post by bigox on Mar 1, 2018 8:45:46 GMT -5
SMCC pounded BC by 20 plus the N10 is SO bad Seneca East gets beat by Calvert also, Dont know that the N10 is bad but these are a little surprising. The top teams still have yet to play so we shall see Calvert and S.E. played three times this year. Weird that they played twice in the regular season... S.E. AD needs to get his head examined. This and the missing game in the football season... 😎😎
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Post by bigox on Mar 1, 2018 8:46:56 GMT -5
bigox, ... You have some explaining to do. New Willy character: Your killing me here hahaha!!
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Post by bigox on Mar 1, 2018 8:48:25 GMT -5
N10 in tournament play is 1-5 so far. Upper Sandusky (play 3/2) Colonel Crawford (play 3/2) Mohawk (play 3/2) Carey (1-0) Seneca East (0-1) Buckeye Central (0-1) Wynford (0-1) Bucyrus (0-1) Ridgedale (0-1) About what I expected so far.
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Post by Hagen on Mar 1, 2018 8:54:46 GMT -5
SMCC pounded BC by 20 plus the N10 is SO bad #8 SMCC def. #10 BC, 58-32. BC had won 6 of 10, with each loss being under 5 points (2 of which to US and CC). Eight of their 15 losses this year were by 5 points or less. Seneca East gets beat by Calvert also, Dont know that the N10 is bad but these are a little surprising. The top teams still have yet to play so we shall see Jan. 26 — Seneca East def. Calvert, 37-35. Jan. 30 — Seneca East def. Calvert, 41-36. Feb. 28 — #8 Calvert def. #6 Seneca East, 59-45. Anyone go to this one? Calvert definitely turned the table.
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Post by Hagen on Mar 1, 2018 9:06:18 GMT -5
... S.E. AD needs to get his head examined. This and the missing game in the football season... 😎😎 Pretty sure SE football benefitted from not playing a 10th regular season game this season, in order to receive a better spot in playoff seeding. Now, having 4 home and 5 away games doesn't help revenue, until they hosted a playoff game and got that back anyway (probably with a larger crowd than playing a bad available school). Even if they had played & beaten a bad school, they MAY have fallen in the rankings and not hosted a playoff game (Not sure on the exact math here).
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Post by bigox on Mar 1, 2018 11:28:37 GMT -5
... S.E. AD needs to get his head examined. This and the missing game in the football season... 😎😎 Pretty sure SE football benefitted from not playing a 10th regular season game this season, in order to receive a better spot in playoff seeding. Now, having 4 home and 5 away games doesn't help revenue, until they hosted a playoff game and got that back anyway (probably with a larger crowd than playing a bad available school). Even if they had played & beaten a bad school, they MAY have fallen in the rankings and not hosted a playoff game (Not sure on the exact math here). All great points Hagen. It did work out better for them on the long run. However if they hadn't been as successful this year some may have complained of shorting thier kids games. Either way I found it odd not to have a 10th regular season game.
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Post by bigox on Mar 1, 2018 11:33:17 GMT -5
SMCC pounded BC by 20 plus the N10 is SO bad #8 SMCC def. #10 BC, 58-32. BC had won 6 of 10, with each loss being under 5 points (2 of which to US and CC). Eight of their 15 losses this year were by 5 points or less. Seneca East gets beat by Calvert also, Dont know that the N10 is bad but these are a little surprising. The top teams still have yet to play so we shall see Jan. 26 — Seneca East def. Calvert, 37-35. Jan. 30 — Seneca East def. Calvert, 41-36. Feb. 28 — #8 Calvert def. #6 Seneca East, 59-45. Anyone go to this one? Calvert definitely turned the table. Calvert had a kid that was high scorer that has only scored a couple of points each game the first two.. Plus the Kennedy kid from Calvert had a good game. He turned the ball over alot in S.E's press the first two games. Sure those things may have helped.
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Post by galion on Mar 1, 2018 12:28:33 GMT -5
Pretty sure SE football benefitted from not playing a 10th regular season game this season, in order to receive a better spot in playoff seeding. Now, having 4 home and 5 away games doesn't help revenue, until they hosted a playoff game and got that back anyway (probably with a larger crowd than playing a bad available school). Even if they had played & beaten a bad school, they MAY have fallen in the rankings and not hosted a playoff game (Not sure on the exact math here). All great points Hagen. It did work out better for them on the long run. However if they hadn't been as successful this year some may have complained of shorting thier kids games. Either way I found it odd not to have a 10th regular season game. I understood the math of it from a playoff point perspective. I just found it surprising that they willingly gave up a home gate. Had it been an away game then it would have been a no brainer. Then again, I don't know what, if any, potential opponents that they had to choose from. I know 2 seasons ago Galion ended up playing some god awful team called the Columbus Crusaders for this very reason. They weren't part of the OHSAA and were technically a club so they didn't count toward our divisor and got us that 5th home game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 12:46:31 GMT -5
As it turned out they played 5 away and 5 homes games.
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Post by Hagen on Mar 1, 2018 12:58:35 GMT -5
... Then again, I don't know what, if any, potential opponents that they had to choose from. ... There is the question. Baring anyone has direct knowledge of whom was available during that specific week, we will never know.
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Post by fbfan on Mar 1, 2018 16:56:09 GMT -5
SMCC pounded BC by 20 plus the N10 is SO bad And Buckeye Central lost to C.Crawford (who SMCC plays next) by 2 points on Feb. 17, therefore SMCC should crush CC. Anything less than that would be an upset by the N10. If I'm not mistaken, it's the SBC River runner-up vs. the N10 runner-up. Final Standings - SBC River Division 13-9, 7-3 Old Fort 11-11, 7-3 New Riegel 11-11, 6-4 SMCC 9-13, 6-4 SJCC 8-14, 4-6 Calvert 2-20, 0-10 Lakota SMCC is the SBC River 3rd place. If the N10 is "SO" bad, explain how the N10 runner up pounded the SBC River co-champ New Riegel 65-36?
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Post by fbfan on Mar 1, 2018 17:10:39 GMT -5
The facts are that when the NOL didn't immediately collapse then Shelby and Willard were no longer an option for NCC expansion as was the original hope. At this point the small schools spearheaded by CC and BC, then joined by Wynford, started looking for a way out(SE, Carey, and Mohawk) as it was never the intention of any smaller school NCC member to remain in a division with Galion, Upper, and Ontario(no, not even Wynford). Unfortunately, for revisionist historians, there is an e mail trail to back that up. I don't blame them for wanting out of that situation. But now blaming the large schools for something that clearly was not their fault is factually inaccurate and quite frankly more than a little dishonest. I think your statement is essentially correct. I said the same things on the other forum at the time, but everyone was so mad they didn't want to hear much of it. As far as Lucas goes, the N10 would not have gotten SE, Carey and Mohawk to join if Lucas was still going to be there.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 1, 2018 20:07:19 GMT -5
Final Standings - SBC River Division 13-9, 7-3 Old Fort 11-11, 7-3 New Riegel 11-11, 6-4 SMCC 9-13, 6-4 SJCC 8-14, 4-6 Calvert 2-20, 0-10 Lakota SMCC is the SBC River 3rd place. If the N10 is "SO" bad, explain how the N10 runner up pounded the SBC River co-champ New Riegel 65-36? Upper the N10 is twice the size of ANY River school so throw them out. So essentially the N10's best beat a .500 team from the River NO surprise...
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Post by portwalk on Mar 1, 2018 21:06:19 GMT -5
Final Standings - SBC River Division 13-9, 7-3 Old Fort 11-11, 7-3 New Riegel 11-11, 6-4 SMCC 9-13, 6-4 SJCC 8-14, 4-6 Calvert 2-20, 0-10 Lakota SMCC is the SBC River 3rd place. If the N10 is "SO" bad, explain how the N10 runner up pounded the SBC River co-champ New Riegel 65-36? Upper the N10 champ is twice the size of ANY River school so throw them out. So essentially the N10's best beat a .500 team from the River NO surprise...
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Post by galion on Mar 1, 2018 21:57:22 GMT -5
You don't get to randomly throw out a team because they contradict your argument. Otherwise I get to throw out Old Fort because their name starts with an O and there are no N10 teams whose name begins with an O.
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Post by galion on Mar 1, 2018 21:59:37 GMT -5
And Buckeye Central lost to C.Crawford (who SMCC plays next) by 2 points on Feb. 17, therefore SMCC should crush CC. Anything less than that would be an upset by the N10. If I'm not mistaken, it's the SBC River runner-up vs. the N10 runner-up. Final Standings - SBC River Division 13-9, 7-3 Old Fort 11-11, 7-3 New Riegel 11-11, 6-4 SMCC 9-13, 6-4 SJCC 8-14, 4-6 Calvert 2-20, 0-10 Lakota SMCC is the SBC River 3rd place. If the N10 is "SO" bad, explain how the N10 runner up pounded the SBC River co-champ New Riegel 65-36? Don't interrupt Portwalk he's on a roll. He hasn't even gotten to the part where the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor yet.
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Post by fbfan on Mar 2, 2018 5:37:45 GMT -5
Final Standings - SBC River Division 13-9, 7-3 Old Fort 11-11, 7-3 New Riegel 11-11, 6-4 SMCC 9-13, 6-4 SJCC 8-14, 4-6 Calvert 2-20, 0-10 Lakota SMCC is the SBC River 3rd place. If the N10 is "SO" bad, explain how the N10 runner up pounded the SBC River co-champ New Riegel 65-36? Upper the N10 is twice the size of ANY River school so throw them out. So essentially the N10's best beat a .500 team from the River NO surprise...Yes, a .500 team was able to be co-champ of the River. OK, have it your way. Throw out the top two team in the N10. The next N10 teams after throwing out both Upper and CC. Mohawk 16-6, 12-4 Carey 16-6, 10-6 SE 12-10, 7-9 So tell me again how the N10 is "SO" bad compared to the SBC River?
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Post by jjmcomb on Mar 2, 2018 13:13:19 GMT -5
Ridgedale, Bucyrus, Buckeye, Wynford, and Seneca East were all one and done in tourney and are not good teams. That's 10 pretty much guaranteed wins for the top schools in the N10. These 5 teams were not very good basketball teams this year and have not been since this league formed. Mohawk was improved this year, but were bad in the past so there's 12 wins pretty much guaranteed for Carey, Upper, and Crawford. You can argue about records all day, but go watch the N10; its not good basketball in those bottom 5-6. I've witnessed it for the past 5 years. I make it to quite a few games outside the N10 as well and I might argue its the worst league in northern Ohio. Not trying to bash, just stating an opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 13:20:25 GMT -5
Ridgedale, Bucyrus, Buckeye, Wynford, and Seneca East were all one and done in tourney and are not good teams. That's 10 pretty much guaranteed wins for the top schools in the N10. These 5 teams were not very good basketball teams this year and have not been since this league formed. Mohawk was improved this year, but were bad in the past so there's 12 wins pretty much guaranteed for Carey, Upper, and Crawford. You can argue about records all day, but go watch the N10; its not good basketball in those bottom 5-6. I've witnessed it for the past 5 years. I make it to quite a few games outside the N10 as well and I might argue its the worst league in northern Ohio. Not trying to bash, just stating an opinion. You haven’t seen nearly enough basketball to think the N-10 is one the worse leagues in Ohio
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Post by fbfan on Mar 2, 2018 19:13:49 GMT -5
SMCC pounded BC by 20 plus the N10 is SO bad And Buckeye Central lost to C.Crawford (who SMCC plays next) by 2 points on Feb. 17, therefore SMCC should crush CC. Anything less than that would be an upset by the N10. If I'm not mistaken, it's the SBC River runner-up vs. the N10 runner-up. Col. Crawford pounded SMCC 67-50 to win sectional championship. The SBC River is SO bad
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Post by jjmcomb on Mar 2, 2018 20:13:53 GMT -5
I said northern Ohio.
Just heard Upper lost to Huron?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2018 21:30:54 GMT -5
bigox, Above is what you said about Lucas. QUOTE: "Lucas was wanted out and that was known for some time." WHO wanted Lucas out? WHY was Lucas wanted out? "Some time" MUST mean before Upper and Galion were unanimously voted into the NCC. Was Lucas wanted out because they were great in basketball and football? What sports WERE they good at?? Did they run up the score? Did their AD also hurt the feelings of a certain AD? Riverdale is 45 miles from CC, Lucas is 28 miles from CC. SO, when in the past it was said they were too far East, it was another falsehood. NOW...I can see why Carey, Mohawk and SE would want them out.....But you're telling us they weren't a part of the original discussion. You have some explaining to do. Exactly what I said.. nowhere did I broach the subject of travel time or distance. When Upper and Galion were voted in in 2009 there was discord with Lucas and a few members then. Lucas was not on board with adding those two then but went with the majority. This was talked about way back then... Two years is sufficient for "some time." yes? So Lucas was kicked out because they didn't want Galion and Upper? That's odd, the 6 that left the NCC didn't want them either. Not often you get rid of someone that thinks the same. BTW, at the time MANY were saying the reason Lucas was left behind was that they were too far East, which is MUCH more logical than getting rid of a like thinking school. Admit it, it was the schools that were being recruited that wanted to get rid of Lucas, because they were too far East. Hell they were SURE wins in all sports.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 2, 2018 22:52:48 GMT -5
Yes, a .500 team was able to be co-champ of the River. OK, have it your way. Throw out the top two team in the N10. The next N10 teams after throwing out both Upper and CC. Mohawk 16-6, 12-4 Carey 16-6, 10-6 SE 12-10, 7-9 So tell me again how the N10 is "SO" bad compared to the SBC River? SBC river is bad
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 1:21:59 GMT -5
I said northern Ohio. Just heard Upper lost to Huron? This is not a total shock to me as I had heard that Upper was dealing with some unavailable players and Huron has been playing well in 10 of their last 11 games before Upper.
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Post by bigox on Mar 3, 2018 15:23:21 GMT -5
Exactly what I said.. nowhere did I broach the subject of travel time or distance. When Upper and Galion were voted in in 2009 there was discord with Lucas and a few members then. Lucas was not on board with adding those two then but went with the majority. This was talked about way back then... Two years is sufficient for "some time." yes? So Lucas was kicked out because they didn't want Galion and Upper? That's odd, the 6 that left the NCC didn't want them either. Not often you get rid of someone that thinks the same. BTW, at the time MANY were saying the reason Lucas was left behind was that they were too far East, which is MUCH more logical than getting rid of a like thinking school. Admit it, it was the schools that were being recruited that wanted to get rid of Lucas, because they were too far East. Hell they were SURE wins in all sports. Now your just being a douche canoe. Nothing I am saying is new to anyone who went through it back then. As is some of your points. You are acting like a jilted lover who can not see past the break up Lol! I have to say you throwing in your points to make them seem like it's something that I say is quite sly. There are pleanty of reasons why the NCCya later collapsed. Travel was just an excuse on these forums brought by you probably since you are hounding it home again now. It collapsed completely on ego..something I see you have front row on just like the Crawford Crew at basketball games. 😎😎
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Post by jjmcomb on Mar 3, 2018 22:59:47 GMT -5
In all honesty, we are 5 years into this and who cares why the N10 was formed. The fact is its a conference full of small schools and Upper. Upper can't compete in football, no matter what league their in. Basketball wise their records are over inflated in both genders because of the lack of competition which makes their coaches and AD happy, win 16+ games in regular season and early exit in tourney. The only person upset with this is Coach Sheldon because for some reason he can't beat Upper. Other than that whose not happy?
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Post by usramfan on Mar 4, 2018 17:30:04 GMT -5
In all honesty, we are 5 years into this and who cares why the N10 was formed. The fact is its a conference full of small schools and Upper. Upper can't compete in football, no matter what league their in. Basketball wise their records are over inflated in both genders because of the lack of competition which makes their coaches and AD happy, win 16+ games in regular season and early exit in tourney. The only person upset with this is Coach Sheldon because for some reason he can't beat Upper. Other than that whose not happy? Then no one in the conference should be able to take credit for ANYTHING. Because the competition sucks... right?
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