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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 19:50:53 GMT -5
so...in (2) trades Altman has made the Cavs biggest threat in the East (Boston) significantly better by trading Kyrie to them, and helped the Lakers clear enough cap space to go after LeBron and Paul George next summer by trading IT to them AWESOME JOB The Lakers were going to clear cap space regardless
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Post by Whittaker on Feb 8, 2018 21:10:46 GMT -5
The Cav's protected themselves whether Lebron stays or goes. They got much younger (3 plus) and also they traded away little but dud's... Crowder was a stiff and a disappointment, Frye was ancient and slow, Shump couldn't stay healthy, Rose (see Shump), Wade (great player just not in the CLE) and Thomas whether he comes back to form or not is yet to be seen but at 5' whatever and NO defensive skill he was not a fit for Cleveland. For those whining about Kyrie at this point they got Jeff Greene, Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance for him we'll see how it works out... To get Hood was big for this season and beyond... Hill may help at least more than Shump did on the bench injured... Good day for the Cavs imo... Just wish they got a rim protector.. Agree! Maybe the rim protector comes this summer by trading the Nets pick.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 8, 2018 21:39:39 GMT -5
I believe I read they cannot trade that pick anymore because they traded their own already.
I also read on twitter,,someone in the organization spoke with Lebron on Tuesday evening or Wednesday am and told him about some deals brewing. This---they say was why we saw a Happier and more energetic James vs Minny.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 8, 2018 23:35:16 GMT -5
Cavs definitely didn't just sit by and watch. IT/Frye/1st round pick to LA for Clarkson/Nance. Then moved Shump/Rose/Crowder and got Hood/Hill back in a 3 team deal with Utah and Sacramento. Also sent DWade back to Miami for a 2nd round pick. Wonder how Lebron feels about a few of his boys getting dealt? This team can win the East, but I have no clue what it means in terms of the future (do these guys have large contracts...expiring contracts...etc). Your kidding yourself if you think LeBron didn't approve these trades.
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Post by cbus on Feb 9, 2018 8:09:10 GMT -5
I believe I read they cannot trade that pick anymore because they traded their own already. I also read on twitter,,someone in the organization spoke with Lebron on Tuesday evening or Wednesday am and told him about some deals brewing. This---they say was why we saw a Happier and more energetic James vs Minny. They can't trade the pick before the 2018 draft (according to Windhorst). Bill Simmons says they can trade it as long as they get another 1st rounder back. The whole rule seems stupid to me.
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Post by cbus on Feb 9, 2018 8:11:50 GMT -5
so...in (2) trades Altman has made the Cavs biggest threat in the East (Boston) significantly better by trading Kyrie to them, and helped the Lakers clear enough cap space to go after LeBron and Paul George next summer by trading IT to them AWESOME JOB <iframe width="22.660000000000082" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.66px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_81351702"></iframe> <iframe width="22.660000000000082" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.66px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1070px; top: -154px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_71299168"></iframe> <iframe width="22.660000000000082" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.66px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_57559679"></iframe> <iframe width="22.660000000000082" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.66px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1070px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_959511"></iframe> I don't think LeBron wants to play in the West.
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Post by ScarletFever on Feb 9, 2018 8:39:35 GMT -5
so...in (2) trades Altman has made the Cavs biggest threat in the East (Boston) significantly better by trading Kyrie to them, and helped the Lakers clear enough cap space to go after LeBron and Paul George next summer by trading IT to them AWESOME JOB <iframe width="22.660000000000082" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.66px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_81351702"></iframe> <iframe width="22.660000000000082" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.66px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1070px; top: -154px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_71299168"></iframe> <iframe width="22.660000000000082" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.66px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_57559679"></iframe> <iframe width="22.660000000000082" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.66px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1070px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_959511"></iframe> I don't think LeBron wants to play in the West. Owns homes in LA already + he could bring Paul George with him. Lol torch, Altman could single handedly bring back celts lakers era!
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Post by clb6110 on Feb 9, 2018 9:12:04 GMT -5
I'm with cbus I don't see LeBron wanting to play in the west. JMO. Owning a home there and playing there are 2 different things. Look at the LAL roster after this season and there is not much there at all. It will take the majority of what money they'll have for the 2 max contracts then 5-6 G leaguers to fill out the team. LBJ might not be in CLE next year but I don't see LAL either.
Old man Kendrick Perkins will be brought in and the FO will tell us it's for rim protection but he'll hardly see the court.
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Post by DrTorch on Feb 9, 2018 13:18:06 GMT -5
yes whenever I watch Golden State play I think to myself...man we really need a rim protector to block all those 3 balls
come on man
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Post by tommygunn on Feb 9, 2018 13:49:02 GMT -5
still don't think all of these trades equates to much more than internet trolls bitching about paper stats.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 9, 2018 16:15:54 GMT -5
I'm with cbus I don't see LeBron wanting to play in the west. JMO. Owning a home there and playing there are 2 different things. Look at the LAL roster after this season and there is not much there at all. It will take the majority of what money they'll have for the 2 max contracts then 5-6 G leaguers to fill out the team. LBJ might not be in CLE next year but I don't see LAL either. Old man Kendrick Perkins will be brought in and the FO will tell us it's for rim protection but he'll hardly see the court. For the Lakers to convince LeBron to come to LA, obviously they have to get ride of Thomas. LeBron will not want to play in the circus that the Lakers currently have. Lonzo Ball AND Dad Lavar MUST be gotten rid of. I can't think of a sane franchise that would want either.
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Post by clb6110 on Feb 9, 2018 19:19:01 GMT -5
^^Thomas is a UFA after this year as is Frye and the Lakers won't make an offer to either.That's one of the main reasons they made the trade...salary dump. Torch, Did I say they need a rim protector? I said they'd bring in KP and say he's a rim protector BUT he'd HARDLY see the court. BTW I still think it's Rockets in the west..I like bold half a***d predictions.
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Post by Whittaker on Feb 9, 2018 19:20:30 GMT -5
I believe I read they cannot trade that pick anymore because they traded their own already. I also read on twitter,,someone in the organization spoke with Lebron on Tuesday evening or Wednesday am and told him about some deals brewing. This---they say was why we saw a Happier and more energetic James vs Minny. They can't trade the pick before the 2018 draft (according to Windhorst). Bill Simmons says they can trade it as long as they get another 1st rounder back. The whole rule seems stupid to me. Yeah I think they can swap #1 picks as part of a bigger trade. Or if another team wants a certain draftee you can draft that guy and do a sign and trade.
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Post by CEOSouth on Feb 9, 2018 20:57:27 GMT -5
I’m somewhat ok with the trades.
On one hand, the advantage of a Veteran lineup comes in the playoffs. They all know the regular season in the NBA doesn’t mean much. Young teams run night in and night out trying to prove something, Vet teams are just trying to stay healthy and make the playoffs. Seems silly to not let them get to the playoffs.
On the other hand, it just wasn’t working, at least not enough to get out of the East, much less the Finals. The defensive problems would’ve likely led to an early exit.
Of all the people they shipped out, I think they’ll miss Wade the most in the playoffs...if he would’ve stayed healthy.
I’m disappointed in the foresight of the Cavs in acquiring Thomas. Hindsight is 20/20, but it didn’t take a genius to question whether a ball dominant player who spent the last two seasons being the man was going to fit under Lebrons shadow.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 9, 2018 23:36:37 GMT -5
The Cavs got old because LeBron insisted on acquiring veterans to help him win titles. He didn't want rookie screw ups getting in his way and he could care less what the team looked like when his turn being the GOAT was done.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 10, 2018 7:00:45 GMT -5
The Kyrie trade was a big gamble with IT. He was hurt and is still not 100%. I watched his defense and his effort and neither one was Championship worthy. A guy who is 5'9 in the NBA had better be------Super Quick, Great ball handler, Great shooter, Great passer, Defensive menace, Great team mate. I think his levels on those marks were below average, let alone great.
Lebron and the Coaches have got to feel pretty good after the Atlanta game. We were playing at about 70% and won easily. Loved seeing the seldom used guys out there busting their tails off on defense and going hard after rebounds. I don't like watching when LBJ gets in those offensive sets where he's on top with the ball for 20 of the 24 seconds and looks to shoot a fade away 3 or looks to make the difficult pass off the last second drive and dish. If he's tired and needs a break, take him out. This team should be able to run and gun and still be able to defend a little going forward with the new makeup.
I'm encouraged by the body language on the court as the announcers said a few times. The players from top to bottom looked like they were having fun. I think the team chemistry on an LBJ team is really really important. Hoping these younger guys coming from a poor couple of teams and suddenly on a Division leader, will make for a good environment. I can't help but think that the effort will be more when you have something to play for at this stage of the season.
Adding Kevin Love, Hill, Clarkson, Nance and Hood should certainly give us a deep bench and allow a nice rotation of quicker guys and better defense all around. The mood as a Cavs fan sure feels improved.
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Post by tommygunn on Feb 10, 2018 10:41:39 GMT -5
I think most people who even watch a half dozen Cavs games can tell you IT is not even in the same league as KI.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 10, 2018 11:12:47 GMT -5
I would agree, not even close. As it stands now, I do think the Cavs managed to at least upgrade that trade. We now show---Kyrie and Channing Frye swapped out for 2018 top 5 draft pick, Nance, Clarkson, and Rodney Hood(via a couple other moves) Not a bad hall considering the terrible situation we were in just a few days ago. I read an article from an East Coast writer who thinks that CLE is now clearly better than Boston. We're gonna find out on Sunday real quick how close we are. Although it's a bit early as the 4 new players will be playing in their first game. Can't help but think the new roster, makes us much more equipped to defend GS and/or Houston for that matter.
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Post by cbus on Feb 10, 2018 11:30:29 GMT -5
It’ll be interesting to see if the Cavs can learn to play together before the playoffs arrive. I guess they normally don’t practice between games!! Possibly they will start practicing given the situation?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 10:49:17 GMT -5
It’ll be interesting to see if the Cavs can learn to play together before the playoffs arrive. I guess they normally don’t practice between games!! Possibly they will start practicing given the situation? the main reason given that they didnt practice much was because of the age of the players. With all the new younger players I would hope that will change
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Post by DrTorch on Feb 11, 2018 12:57:27 GMT -5
man IT was a big crybaby, no wonder he has been traded 19237376171 times
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 11, 2018 18:00:12 GMT -5
Cavs 121 Boston 99
Great start for the new roster
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 12, 2018 8:07:27 GMT -5
Not sure if any of you guys are on rivals.com or not. A long post was made by a poster who is best friends with a Front office guy, possibly Mike Gansey. Synopisis 1-Dwade was not all in as a Cav, His heart was still in Miami. He too along with IT were not friends of Kevin Love and did some finger pointing. This caused a lot of tension in the locker room. Moving him was a necessity. His early season insistence on starting really hurt JR Smith. JR is just now finally getting his confidence back. 2-Shump has lost the fire for being in CLE and possibly even basketball. He needed outta here as well. 3-Jae Crowder lost his mother the same day he was traded. Been in a funk ever since. His heart was not in CLE for various reasons. Really liked being Boston and playing for Brad Stevens. He needed to go as we were not getting his best effort. 4- D Rose was playing well until he hurt his ankle early on. The multiple injuries have taken their toll on his body. Good attitude, but just didn't have the speed to be what he once was. 5-Channing Frye was the best and only piece that the brass hated to give up as far as helping the Cavs. He was a great locker room influence and had been playing well. They hated to give him up but obviously had to give up something. 6- IT. Was not healthy. Said and did all the right things right up to the time he started playing in games. Once he started playing the team changed and not for the better. Was at the epicenter of the team meeting hate fest on Kevin Love. Needed gone ASAP. 7--Trades take time and numerous conversations. Was in the works for a couple weeks.
If anyone wants the entire post from this guy let me know. It was a great read with a ton of info and double what I just posted. I can email it.
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Post by tommygunn on Feb 12, 2018 10:41:57 GMT -5
Is it an upgrade? On paper yes, I just am concerned this late in the season with that many trades all at once. I think Cleveland was in a do or die situation and they went all out to change the slow, sloppy play going on this season. The Boston blowout was a shock I must say but lets give them a couple weeks of play to evaluate this half a team trade. Hopefully it brings this team back from the edge of falling off.
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Post by DrTorch on Feb 12, 2018 12:49:21 GMT -5
sure looked like they were a LOT better
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Post by Whittaker on Feb 12, 2018 14:50:51 GMT -5
Not sure if any of you guys are on rivals.com or not. A long post was made by a poster who is best friends with a Front office guy, possibly Mike Gansey. Synopisis 1-Dwade was not all in as a Cav, His heart was still in Miami. He too along with IT were not friends of Kevin Love and did some finger pointing. This caused a lot of tension in the locker room. Moving him was a necessity. His early season insistence on starting really hurt JR Smith. JR is just now finally getting his confidence back. 2-Shump has lost the fire for being in CLE and possibly even basketball. He needed outta here as well. 3-Jae Crowder lost his mother the same day he was traded. Been in a funk ever since. His heart was not in CLE for various reasons. Really liked being Boston and playing for Brad Stevens. He needed to go as we were not getting his best effort. 4- D Rose was playing well until he hurt his ankle early on. The multiple injuries have taken their toll on his body. Good attitude, but just didn't have the speed to be what he once was. 5-Channing Frye was the best and only piece that the brass hated to give up as far as helping the Cavs. He was a great locker room influence and had been playing well. They hated to give him up but obviously had to give up something. 6- IT. Was not healthy. Said and did all the right things right up to the time he started playing in games. Once he started playing the team changed and not for the better. Was at the epicenter of the team meeting hate fest on Kevin Love. Needed gone ASAP. 7--Trades take time and numerous conversations. Was in the works for a couple weeks. If anyone wants the entire post from this guy let me know. It was a great read with a ton of info and double what I just posted. I can email it. Thanks for posting. From what I've read other places, I'm thinking its all pretty accurate. Its kinda sad really...these professional athletes pouting, while they make more in one year than most of us make in a lifetime. Everyone faces adversity and I understand some players not being happy in Cleveland. But they shouldn't let it affect their job, which is playing basketball at a high level. There are way too many head cases in pro sports. That said, I think DWade was a real pro on the court. He played strong defense, took charges and banged for rebounds. He did the dirty work that wins ball games even though his legacy is assured and he wasn't real happy here. That's a pro. Him and Channing Frye I'll miss. The rest I won't. Not sure why the hate for KLove. Maybe he's a DH. Or maybe he's too pretty and the brothers thinks he's overrated ala Larry Bird.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 15:36:54 GMT -5
The “good attitude” comment on DRose pretty much discredits the whole article for me. The dude left for a month
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 12, 2018 15:51:58 GMT -5
Cool to see how excited Larry Nance Jr. is about coming to Cleveland. This video was taken on Saturday:
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Post by cbus on Feb 12, 2018 16:14:32 GMT -5
It’ll be interesting to see if the Cavs can learn to play together before the playoffs arrive. I guess they normally don’t practice between games!! Possibly they will start practicing given the situation? the main reason given that they didnt practice much was because of the age of the players. With all the new younger players I would hope that will change I thought the main reason was LeBron likes to save all his energy for games. That hasn't changed.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 12, 2018 16:32:23 GMT -5
After watching this Nance piece, I like him even more. Smart, well spoken, humble. We can win with this guy because I think he's the kind of player we haven't had in awhile. Lunch pail work effort doing the little things that add up. And-----He Wants to be here !
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