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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 29, 2017 8:30:37 GMT -5
Predict the Playoff Committee's Top 6 that comes out Tuesday.
I'm not looking for your Top 6, I'm looking for what you think the Committee will list as their top 6.
My Prediction 1 8-0 Alabama 2 8-0 Georgia 3 7-1 Notre Dame 4 7-1 Clemson ------------------- 5 7-1 Ohio State 6 7-0 Wisconsin ..... Lots of teams still in play if they continue to win 7-0 Miami 7-1 Oklahoma 7-1 Oklahoma State 7-1 Virginia Tech 7-1 Penn State 7-1 Washington 7-1 TCU .....3 teams that have a shot if losses start piling up on everyone like they did in 2007 7-0 Central Florida 6-2 Auburn - control destiny in SEC - if they win out that means wins over Bama and Georgia (twice) 6-2 Iowa State - control destiny in Big XII
It's going to be a fun November.
And lets get this playoff to a 6 team playoff. 5 Conference Champs plus 1 at large, bye week for the #1 and #2 teams.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 11:50:40 GMT -5
1 Alabama 2 Georgia 3 Ohio State 4 Wisconsin 5 Miami (Fla.) 6 Notre Dame
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 12:30:00 GMT -5
Bama Georgia ND Clemson Oklahoma Ohio State
Really the rankings mean nothing at this point. The only Big 12 school that has a chance is Oklahoma and they will have to win out. PAC-12 is out If Clemson wins out they will be in. If Notre Dame wins out they will be in. Ohio State would benefit the most from ND & Oklahoma losing
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 29, 2017 13:11:49 GMT -5
1. Alabama 2. Georgia 3. Ohio State 4. Clemson 5. Notre Dame 6. Penn State
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 29, 2017 19:10:53 GMT -5
1. Alabama 2. Georgia 3. ND 4. Clemson 5. OSU 6. Oklahoma
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 30, 2017 16:16:41 GMT -5
So as a unit we are projecting (6 pts for 1st ... 1 pt for 6th) 1 Alabama (30) 2 Georgia (25) 3 Notre Dame (15) 4 Ohio State (13) -------- 5 Clemson (12) 6 Wisconsin (4) 7 Oklahoma (3) 8 Miami (2) 9 Penn State (1)
Let's see how that matches up with the Committee tomorrow night.
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Post by galion on Oct 30, 2017 18:10:15 GMT -5
OSU won't crack the top 4 until they run the table and win the BIG championship game. Then they will replace the 'Bama Georgia loser.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 30, 2017 19:58:35 GMT -5
This week: #1 Bama at #20 LSU #5 Clemson at #19 NC State #13 VaTech at #6 Miami #9 Oklahoma at #10 Oklahoma State, the loser is dead.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 30, 2017 21:22:25 GMT -5
OSU won't crack the top 4 until they run the table and win the BIG championship game. Then they will replace the 'Bama Georgia loser. That assumes Miami and ND won't lose before the BIG championship game and they play each other in 2 weeks. If Ohio State and Wisconsin win out and meet in the Title game and Ohio State wins, that would mean 2 wins over Top Five teams for Ohio State. No other team in the country can come close to saying that. That should assure Ohio State the #2 seed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 18:19:02 GMT -5
Bama Georgia ND Clemson Oklahoma Ohio State Really the rankings mean nothing at this point. The only Big 12 school that has a chance is Oklahoma and they will have to win out. PAC-12 is out If Clemson wins out they will be in. If Notre Dame wins out they will be in. Ohio State would benefit the most from ND & Oklahoma losing I know things. Yes I know Georgia is ranked ahead of Alabama, but we all can agree those 2 are 1a and 1b. Committee goes record, strength of schedule, head-to-head, conference championship in that order
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 31, 2017 18:37:07 GMT -5
No reason to get over excited or over upset at this point. I think the committee is putting less emphasis on just who is THE best team at this point in the season, just who is playing THE best football at this point in time. I think an early season loss has far less significance than a later season stumble. The playoffs should be THE four best teams at that point in time. Bama hasn't played anyone of significance. Georgia's only claim to fame is the squeeker over ND ND plays a tough schedule year in and year out. Clemson has schedule strength issues as well. Oklahoma seems to have peeked early and not the team that squared off in Columbus vs. the Buckeyes Ohio State is a lock to secure it's third appearance in the CFP by just winning out.
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Post by tommygunn on Oct 31, 2017 18:46:31 GMT -5
Loser of GA and Bama moves to 4 at the worst, especially if its a close game. OSU could run the table and still be watching the important bowl games from home if ND wins out and Clemson wins out.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 31, 2017 19:15:39 GMT -5
We really have no clue what the committee thinks until that years committee comes out with their rankings. In 2014 Head-to-Head didn't matter between Baylor & TCU until the final rankings In 2017 Head-to-Head already matters between Ohio State & Oklahoma <--- I like this version better than the 'surprise' version in the final rankings
- I think the Committee will view a Conference Championship game LOSS like a Playoff Quarter Final loss. - Will the Committee treat Notre Dame like it treated Baylor & TCU and drop them out without a Conference Championship if they view them equal to a Oklahoma or Ohio State? - We will find out want this version of the Committee does if those scenarios pop up in December.
- I'm still surprised Oklahoma was ranked 5th. Oklahoma was very mediocre during the entire month of October. - Also of note is the comparison of Clemson/Oklahoma/Ohio State Clemson lost to Syracuse - #4 Oklahoma lost to Iowa State - #5 Ohio State lost to Oklahoma - #6 The team with the worst loss of the 3 (Clemson) is ranked the highest, Ohio State lost to the best team of the 3 and it was an early September loss. The fact that Ohio State is 3rd of these 3 teams is not good for OSU if Clemson and Oklahoma win out. It looks like Ohio State needs to root for a Clemson and Oklahoma loss as that's the only way Ohio State gets above either one now.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 31, 2017 22:09:19 GMT -5
Loser of GA and Bama moves to 4 at the worst, especially if its a close game. OSU could run the table and still be watching the important bowl games from home if ND wins out and Clemson wins out. There is no way in hell they leave a one loss, undisputed Big Ten Champion out of the final four. This week: Upsets? #1 Alabama -10 at LSU #4 Clemson -10 at NC State #5 Oklahoma at Oklahoma State -5#6 Ohio State -10 at Iowa
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Post by galion on Oct 31, 2017 22:35:10 GMT -5
If Wisconsin and OSU both win out the winner of the BIG championship game will be in. Also, ND won't win at Miami.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 1, 2017 0:09:35 GMT -5
I guess what rankles me a bit is, Ohio State lost an early season game to a top ten team, but sit behind Clemson, who lost to an unranked Syracuse team, and more recently to boot.
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Post by Buckeye2b on Nov 1, 2017 3:57:51 GMT -5
I guess what rankles me a bit is, Ohio State lost an early season game to a top ten team, but sit behind Clemson, who lost to an unranked Syracuse team, and more recently to boot. Seems unfair to me too, but now I kind of expect Urban will be putting the pedal to the metal and making statement wins.
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Post by galion on Nov 1, 2017 4:09:10 GMT -5
Hey, if you don't want to be part of the subjectivity of the committee then win all of your games. Problem solved. Otherwise, deal with it. If OSU wins out they will be in. If they don't then so be it. So long as OSU and Wisconsin win out then the BIG championship game will be a play in game just as the SEC championship likely will be. ND will lose again, they aren't that good. The 3 Big 12 schools will likely knock each other out and nobody in the Pac whatever is even worth worrying about.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 1, 2017 7:53:34 GMT -5
Hey, if you don't want to be part of the subjectivity of the committee then win all of your games. Problem solved. Otherwise, deal with it. If OSU wins out they will be in. If they don't then so be it. So long as OSU and Wisconsin win out then the BIG championship game will be a play in game just as the SEC championship likely will be. ND will lose again, they aren't that good. The 3 Big 12 schools will likely knock each other out and nobody in the Pac whatever is even worth worrying about. I agree. My greatest desire (and probably Urban's) is to make the field and get a re-match with Clemson and a redemption game. I see at least two teams presently ahead of Ohio State experiencing a defeat and eliminating themselves.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 1, 2017 8:08:43 GMT -5
The Committee's first poll is always SEC heavy in the Top 4
2014 first poll 1 - Mississippi State - SEC 2 - *Florida State 3 - Auburn - SEC 4 - Mississippi - SEC 5 - *Oregon 6 - *Alabama - SEC . 16 - *Ohio State - eventual National Champion
2015 first poll 1 - *Clemson 2 - LSU - SEC 3 - Ohio State 4 - *Alabama - SEC - eventual National Champion 5 - Notre Dame 6 - Baylor 7 - *Michigan State . 15 - *Oklahoma
2016 first poll 1 - *Alabama - SEC 2 - *Clemson - eventual National Champion 3 - Michigan 4 - Texas A&M - SEC 5 - *Washington 6 - *Ohio State
2017 first poll 1 - Georgia - SEC 2 - Alabama - SEC 3 - Notre Dame 4 - Clemson 5 - Oklahoma 6 - Ohio State 7 - Penn State 8 - TCU 9 - Wisconsin 10 - Miami 11 - Oklahoma State 12 - Washington 13 - Virginia Tech 14 - Auburn 15 - Iowa State 16 - Mississippi State
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 1, 2017 14:59:54 GMT -5
After Oklahoma beat Ohio State they lost to a 2-2 Iowa State and have wins by 8, 7, 5, and 7. They're trending down.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 1, 2017 15:36:56 GMT -5
The way Oklahoma has been playing since the Ohio State game, they are not worthy of their #5 ranking IMO. If they are going to hold the week #2 loss vs. a ranked Oklahoma Sooner team against the Buckeyes, How can they anoint Clemson with the #4 spot, after just losing to an unranked team in week #7 ?
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Post by hardingmavman on Nov 1, 2017 17:24:40 GMT -5
The way Oklahoma has been playing since the Ohio State game, they are not worthy of their #5 ranking IMO. If they are going to hold the week #2 loss vs. a ranked Oklahoma Sooner team against the Buckeyes, How can they anoint Clemson with the #4 spot, after just losing to an unranked team in week #7 ? agreed... thats the only one that confused me how you can be in the top 4 after losing to a unranked Syracuse is beyond me i dont give a crap if you have the 5th best sos or not you LOST TO A UNRANKED CRAPPY Syracuse... that should throw out any SOS talk unless you lost to a actual good team(like OSU)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 17:55:01 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Oklahoma ahead of Ohio St since they did beat them head-to-head. Clemson should not be ahead ahead of either though and maybe even Penn St. The excuse for Clemson is their QB got hurt during their loss. With that rationale why isn't Florida State ranked? I mean they have played every game since the first game with a backup.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 1, 2017 21:34:58 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Oklahoma ahead of Ohio St since they did beat them head-to-head. Clemson should not be ahead ahead of either though and maybe even Penn St. The excuse for Clemson is their QB got hurt during their loss. With that rationale why isn't Florida State ranked? I mean they have played every game since the first game with a backup. I am of the opinion, these same two teams play today, Ohio State wins this one by several scores. I agree, Penn State is getting totally ignored in the process. Many are beginning to see a parallel between the 2014 National Champion Buckeyes and this years team. Both played miserably in their second game of the season and both recovered from their early embarrassment and never looked back. Granted, there is a lot of football to be played, but early observations seem to indicate this may be the case. Some teams peak early in the season and never improve through the course of the season, while others have issues to start the season, manage to resolve them and set out on a course of continuous improvement. An early season loss cannot be viewed the same as a late season loss. Evolve or decline, the committee needs to put the FOUR BEST TEAMS in America at the end of season into their playoff format, no exceptions, there can be no other way.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 2, 2017 8:29:52 GMT -5
Blue - teams ranked in the Top 4 in the first week that failed to make playoff Red - teams to make playoff Purple - the eventual National Champion 2014Rank | Oct 28 | Nov 04 | Nov 11 | Nov 18 | Nov 25 | Dec 02 | Dec 07
| 1 | Mississippi St | Mississippi St | Mississippi St | Alabama | Alabama | Alabama | Alabama | 2 | Florida St | Florida St | Oregon | Oregon | Oregon | Oregon | Oregon | 3 | Auburn | Auburn | Florida St | Florida St | Florida St | TCU | Florida St | 4 | Ole Miss | Oregon | TCU | Mississippi St | Mississippi St | Florida St | Ohio State | 5 | Oregon | Alabama | Alabama | TCU | TCU | Ohio State | Baylor | 6 | Alabama | TCU | Arizona St | Ohio State | Ohio State | Baylor | TCU | 7 | TCU | Kansas St | Baylor | Baylor | Baylor | Arizona | Mississippi St | 8 | Michigan St | Michigan St | Ohio State | Ole Miss | UCLA | Michigan St | Michigan St | 9 | Kansas St | Arizona St | Auburn | UCLA | Georgia | Kansas St | Ole Miss | 10 | Notre Dame | Notre Dame | Ole Miss | Georgia | Michigan St | Mississippi St | Arizona | 11 | Georgia | Ole Miss | UCLA | Michigan St | Arizona | Georgia Tech | Kansas St | 12 | Arizona | Baylor | Michigan St | Kansas St | Kansas St | Ole Miss | Georgia Tech | 13 | Baylor | Nebraska | Kansas St | Arizona St | Arizona St | Wisconsin | Georgia | 14 | Arizona State | Ohio State | Arizona | Auburn | Wisconsin | Georgia | UCLA | 15 | Nebraska | Oklahoma | Georgia | Arizona | Auburn | UCLA | Arizona St | 16 | Ohio State | LSU | Nebraska | Wisconsin | Georgia Tech | Missouri | Missouri |
Ole Miss fell to #19 on Nov 25th Auburn ended up #19 2015Rank | Nov 3 | Nov 10 | Nov 17 | Nov 24 | Dec 1 | Dec 6 | 1 | Clemson | Clemson | Clemson | Clemson | Clemson | Clemson | 2 | LSU | Alabama | Alabama | Alabama | Alabama | Alabama | 3 | Ohio State | Ohio State | Ohio State | Oklahoma | Oklahoma | Michigan St | 4 | Alabama | Notre Dame | Notre Dame | Iowa | Iowa | Oklahoma | 5 | Notre Dame | Iowa | Iowa | Michigan St | Michigan St | Iowa | 6 | Baylor | Baylor | Oklahoma St | Notre Dame | Ohio State | Stanford | 7 | Michigan State | Stanford | Oklahoma | Baylor | Stanford | Ohio State | 8 | TCU | Oklahoma St | Florida | Ohio State | Notre Dame | Notre Dame | 9 | Iowa | LSU | Michigan St | Stanford | Florida St | Florida St | 10 | Florida | Utah | Baylor | Michigan | UNC | UNC | 11 | Stanford | Florida | Stanford | Oklahoma St | TCU | TCU | 12 | Utah | Oklahoma | Michigan | Florida | Baylor | Ole Miss | 13 | Memphis | Michigan St | Utah | Florida St | Ole Miss | Northwestern | 14 | Oklahoma St | Michigan | Florida St | UNC | Northwestern | Michigan | 15 | Oklahoma | TCU | LSU | Navy | Michigan | Oregon | 16 | Florida St | Florida St | Navy | Northwestern
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LSU fell out of the Top 25 on Nov 24th, came back in to #21 on Dec 1 and finished #20 2016Rank | Nov 1 | Nov 8 | Nov 15 | Nov 22 | Nov 29 | Dec 4 | 1 | Alabama | Alabama | Alabama | Alabama | Alabama | Alabama | 2 | Clemson | Clemson | Ohio State | Ohio State | Ohio State | Clemson | 3 | Michigan | Michigan | Michigan | Michigan | Clemson | Ohio State | 4 | Texas A&M | Washington | Clemson | Clemson | Washington | Washington | 5 | Washington | Ohio State | Louisville | Washington | Michigan | Penn State | 6 | Ohio State | Louisville | Washington | Wisconsin | Wisconsin | Michigan | 7 | Louisville | Wisconsin | Wisconsin | Penn State | Penn State | Oklahoma | 8 | Wisconsin | Texas A&M | Penn State | Oklahoma | Colorado | Wisconsin | 9 | Auburn | Auburn | Oklahoma | Colorado | Oklahoma | USC | 10 | Nebraska | Penn State | Colorado | Oklahoma St | Oklahoma St | Colorado | 11 | Florida | Oklahoma | Oklahoma St | Louisville | USC | Florida St | 12 | Penn State | Colorado | Utah | USC | Florida St | Oklahoma St | 13 | LSU | Oklahoma St | USC | Auburn | Louisville | Louisville | 14 | Oklahoma | Virginia Tech | West Virginia | Florida St | Auburn | Auburn | 15 | Colorado | Utah | Auburn | Florida | Florida | Western Mich | 16 | Utah | West Virginia | LSU | Nebraska | West Virginiga | West Virginia |
Texas A&M fell to #25 on Nov 15th, then fell out on Nov 22nd
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 2, 2017 8:35:50 GMT -5
^^^ So in the first 3 years at least 1 team in the Committee's Top 4 fell out of the Top 15 at some point before the end of the season.
The Committee thought Texas A&M was the best 1 loss team in the County on Nov 1st last year. Two weeks later A&M was 25th. lol
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 2, 2017 12:02:50 GMT -5
The way Oklahoma has been playing since the Ohio State game, they are not worthy of their #5 ranking IMO. If they are going to hold the week #2 loss vs. a ranked Oklahoma Sooner team against the Buckeyes, How can they anoint Clemson with the #4 spot, after just losing to an unranked team in week #7 ? So Oklahoma loses in week #5, Clemson loses in week #7, but the Ohio State loss in week #2 is more significant to the committee.......bullcrap!
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Post by Birdman on Nov 3, 2017 23:56:29 GMT -5
First voting. The bucks win out they’re going to be in. You would hard pressed to leave them out with theithe current wins and potential wins.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 4, 2017 17:27:58 GMT -5
OSU will drop to 20th.
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