Playoff Committee Poll on November 14th

[Rambo McClain]

Same concept as the last thread which worked pretty well with it's projection, project who you think will be the Committee's Top 10 (Not your Top 10)

1 (10-0) Alabama
2 (9-1) Oklahoma
3 (9-0) Miami, FL
4 (9-1) Clemson
5 (10-0) Wisconsin
6 (8-2) Auburn
7 (9-1) Georgia
8 (9-2) USC
9 (8-2) Ohio State
10 (8-2) Penn State
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other notable teams with 2 or less losses
(9-0) Central Florida
(9-2) Washington State
(8-2) Notre Dame
(8-2) Washington
(8-2) Michigan - committee didn't even have them in the Top 25 last week
(8-2) TCU
(8-2) Oklahoma State





It will be interesting what the Committee does with USC and Ohio State. Last week they had USC #11 and Ohio State #13

USC's two losses
September 29th @ (9-2) Washington State (30-27)
October 21st @ (8-2) Notre Dame (49-14)
USC's wins over above .500 teams (3)
September 1st (6-4) Western Michigan (49-31)
September 9th (7-3) Stanford (42-24)
November 4th (7-3) Arizona (49-35)
Remaining Games
5-5 UCLA
Pac 12 Championship game vs either 9-2 Wash St, 7-3 Stanford or 8-2 Washington



Ohio State's two losses
September 9th (9-1) Oklahoma (31-16)
November 4th (6-4) Iowa (55-24)
Ohio State's wins over above .500 teams (3)
September 16th (8-2) Army (38-7)
October 28th (8-2) Penn State (39-38)
November 11th (7-3) Michigan State (48-3)
Remaining Games
2-8 Illinois
@ 8-2 Michigan
Big Ten Championship game vs 10-0 Wisconsin

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Bama
Clemson
Oklahoma
Miami
Wisconsin
Georgia
Auburn
Ohio State
Notre Dame
USC

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Alabama
Oklahoma
Miami
Clemson
Wisconsin
Georgia
Auburn
Notre Dame
Ohio State
USC

[Rambo McClain]

Interesting information came out of the latest Committee Poll

#1 - Joe Klatt - said the committee doesn't know what they are doing
#2 - The discrepancy in the # of conference games played is playing a HUGE roll - 8 games by SEC & ACC - 9 by Big Ten, Pac 12 and Big XII

- So keep in mind #2. Well the head Committee guy this year said they put Clemson at 2 because they have 6 wins over above .500 teams. Hmmm, ACC teams play just 8 Conference games and most played pathetic FCS schools (ie Clemson plays the Citadel, Miami (FL) plays Beth Cookman, etc) so that means the ACC & SEC are adding 1 unearned win to their total from the top of the Conference to the bottom that the Big XII, Pac 12 and Big Ten do not get to enjoy.
- Joe Klatt was very upset with Clemson being 2 ahead of Oklahoma.
- Oklahoma plays a 9 game Conference schedule and beat Ohio State @ Ohio State.

A comparison of Clemson and Oklahoma
Clemson's above .500 wins that the Committee loves
8-2 Auburn - only play 8 Conference games
7-3 NC State - only play 8 Conference games
7-3 Virginia Tech - only play 8 Conference games
6-4 Wake Forest - only play 8 Conference games
6-4 Louisville - only play 8 Conference games
5-4 Georgia Tech - only play 8 Conference games
^^^Not a single one of Clemson's above .500 opponents plays 9 Conference games

-So lets break those teams down since all 6 play just 8 conference games
*Wake Forest played Presbyterian. Hmmm, what if they to play another ACC school (9) instead of Presbyterian, another loss and 5-5?
*Louisville played Murray State. Hmmm, what if they played another ACC school (9) instead of Murray State, another loss and 5-5?
*Georgia Tech played Jacksonville State. Hmmm, what if they played another ACC school (9) instead of Jacksonsville State, another loss and 4-5?
- If the ACC played 9 Conference games like the Big XII, Big Ten and Pac 12 maybe they only have 3 wins over above .500 teams right now.

Oklahoma's wins over above .500 teams
8-2 Ohio State - play a 9 game Conference Schedule
8-2 TCU - play a 9 game Conference Schedule
8-2 Oklahoma State - play a 9 game Conference Schedule
6-4 Iowa State - play a 9 game Conference Schedule
^^^all of Oklahoma's above .500 wins are vs teams playing a 9 game Conference Schedule

- Oklahoma also has 3 wins over .500 teams. Hmmm, and all 3 play a 9 game Conference Schedule. Hmmm.
*I wonder if 5-5 Texas traded in losing to TCU for a game vs Presbyterian if they'd be 6-4?
*I wonder if 5-5 Texas Tech traded in losing to Oklahoma St for a game with Beth Cook if they'd be 6-4?
You get the drift.

The Committee is not correctly analyzing the disparity in schedules and BOOSTING the SEC and ACC for only playing 8 Conference games plus at least one D-1AA school.


Here are the Committee's Top 11 teams
Games vs Power 5 schools
11 - USC - 0 FCS
10 - Oklahoma - 0 FCS
10 - Ohio State - 0 FCS
10 - Penn State - 0 FCS
9 - Wisconsin - 0 FCS
9 - Notre Dame - 0 FCS
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10 - Georgia - 1 FCS
10 - Clemson 1 - FCS
9 - Alabama - 1 FCS
9 - Auburn - 1 FCS
9 - Miami - 1 FCS

What the committee is saying is schedule cream puffs non-Conference and cut the Conference slate down to 8 if you want to impress them. Losing to a Power 5 Conference is worse than scheduling Mercer and winning. The Committee wants you to schedule Mercer, not Notre Dame (USC) or Oklahoma (Ohio State) those losses are penalized. Alabama gets to play Mercer this week instead of a crossover with a SEC opponent

[DrTorch]

Clemson lost to Syracuse but the committee said they get a mulligan cause their QB was hurt. Apparently depth is NOT a factor.

Total joke that Oklahoma is NOT #2, and just out of curiosity WHO THE **** HAS ALABAMA BEAT THIS YEAR?

[Rambo McClain]

The most obvious sign the Committee is brain dead is their love affair with Clemson's 6 above .500 wins
All 6 play just 8 Conference games and all 6 play at least 1 FCS school
- If those three 6-4 teams trade in a FCS win

On the flip side Oklahoma has 4 wins over above .500 teams that all play a 9 Conference game slate and 0, take note 0 play FCS schools
- Then Oklahoma has three more wins over 5-5 teams - All of which play a 9 Conference game slate and 0, take note 0 play FCS schools

So the Committee is telling Oklahoma and the Big XII to cut back from 9 Conference games to 8 and trade in that Conference foe for a FCS automatic win and if they do that then Oklahoma would have 7 wins over above .500 teams and be ranked ahead of Clemson. This Committee is a joke. Joe Klatt is 100% correct.

[Rambo McClain]

Nov 16, 2017 10:49:15 GMT -5 DrTorch said:

Total joke that Oklahoma is NOT #2, and just out of curiosity WHO THE Screw HAS ALABAMA BEAT THIS YEAR?

Alabama beat 7-3 Mississippi State. You know the 7-3 Mississippi State that needed a punt return for a TD with 5 minutes left in the game to defeat (3-7) UMass.
Oh and here are 7-3 Mississippi State's wins
5-5 Charleston Southern - FCS
4-6 La Tech
3-8 BYU
3-7 UMass
^^^ Tough non conference slate
LSU
Kentucky
Texas A&M

Again an inflated 7-3 with just 8 Power 5 schools on the schedule. What if they had to play 9 like the Big Ten, Pac 12 or Big XII. Then Alabama's best win would be over 6-4 Mississippi State.

[Willard Fillmore]

Nov 16, 2017 10:49:15 GMT -5 DrTorch said:

Clemson lost to Syracuse but the committee said they get a mulligan cause their QB was hurt. Apparently depth is NOT a factor.

Total joke that Oklahoma is NOT #2, and just out of curiosity WHO THE Screw HAS ALABAMA BEAT THIS YEAR?

Syracuse was ahead when Clemson's QB was injured. AND the QB didn't play on the Clemson defense which couldn't stop Syracuse all day. 

When was the last time Alabama played a REAL away game against a Top 20 team on the road? NEVER. They will only play at neutral sites where they get half the tickets. All but one neutral site game was more than a 3 hour drive. 

Would Saban ever play USC on the road? Texas on the road? Oklahoma on the road? Notre Dame on the road? TCU on the road? Virginia Tech on the road? Oregon on the road? Washington on the road? 

Ohio State has or will. 

[Rambo McClain]

Check out this possible scenario

Michigan beats Wisconsin
Michigan beats Ohio Sate
Ohio State beats Wisconsin in BIG Champ - 3 Loss OSU is BIG Champs - Wisconsin, PSU and Mich end with 2 losses

Clemson loses to South Carolina
Miami beats Clemson in ACC Champ - Miami finishes undefeated - everyone else in ACC finish with 3+ losses

Washington beats Wash State
Stanford beats USC in Pac 12 Champ - 3 loss Stanford is Pac 12 Champs - Washington finishes with 2 losses

Stanford beats Notre Dame - ND finishes with 3 losses

Kansas State beats Oklahoma State
Texas Tech beats TCU
TCU beats Oklahoma in Big XII Champ - 3 loss TCU is Big XII Champ - Oklahoma finishes with 2 losses

Auburn beats Alabama
Auburn beats Georgia in SEC Champ - 2 loss Auburn is SEC Champ - Bama finishes with 1 loss, Georgia with 2 losses

Committee then selects
1 Miami
2 Auburn - SEC Champ with 2 losses
3 Alabama - 1 loss
4 Georgia - 2 losses both of them to SEC Champ Auburn
eSECpn would love it
Remember when eSECpn fired Danny Kanell because Danny Kanell continuously said in 2014, 2015 and 2016 that only 1 team from a Conference should get into the playoff. He hated the idea of multiple teams from the same Conference getting in. The 'yes' men at eSECpn didn't get fired because they loved the idea of an All-SEC playoff.

I can see the Committee doing this if those outcomes occur.
I can see them penalize the Big XII for having a Champ game in 2017 by leaving OU out if they pick up a 2nd loss

[Rambo McClain]

Alabama's premier win - Mississippi State lost last night.

8-4 Mississippi State
Week 10 - #16 in the Committee poll - Miss St needs a punt return for TD with about 5 minutes left to hold off UMass - but remain #16
Week 11 - #16 in the Committee poll - Miss St loses to Alabama - but remains #16
Week 12 - #16 in the Committee poll - Miss St beat pathetic Arkansas by 7 - move up 2 spots to #14 - (Arkansas 2 weeks earlier beat 2-9 Coastal Carolina by 1 pt)
Week 13 - #14 in the Committee poll - Miss St loses to 5-6 Ole Miss - lol - look for the Committee to keep them in the Top 20

The Committee is a joke. Miss St at 8-3 was ranked #14. Michigan at 8-3 was unranked.
They will say well Miss St beat LSU. Wait. The same LSU that lost to Troy?
They will say, yeah but LSU beat Auburn.
Well who did Auburn actually beat out of the SEC that tells you Auburn is so amazing?
1-9 Georgia Southern by 34
4-6 La Monroe by 28
5-6 Mercer by 14
Wow, impressive. I can now see why you think Auburn is so amazing. Which makes LSU great by beating them. Which makes Miss St great by beating LSU.
^^^SEC bias logic.


The SEC better not get 2 teams in the playoff. The conference has not been world beaters this year

Some of the SEC non-Conference games
Auburn 24-10 over (5-6) Mercer - FCS school - (What if Auburn played Oklahoma that day?)
Miss St 34-23 over (4-7) UMass - score was 27-23 with about 5 minutes left when Miss St returned a punt for a TD
Arkansas 39-38 over (2-9) Coastal Carolina - Meanwhile Ark St beat CC 51-17.
Ole Miss 16-27 loss to (5-6) Cal
LSU 21-24 loss to (8-2) Troy
A&M 44-45 loss to (5-6) UCLA
A&M 24-14 over (8-3) Nicholls State - FCS school
Missouri 3-35 loss to (5-6) Purdue
Tenn 17-13 over (4-7) UMass
South Carolina 17-16 over (5-6) La Tech

[Rambo McClain]

It's 17-7 (4-7) Pitt leading the Committee's #2 team as we head to the 4th quarter.

The Committee says they've evaluated every team and Miami is the 2nd best team in the Country. Meanwhile undefeated Wisconsin who'd knock the snot out of Miami is ranked 5th. I sure hope the Committee doesn't get paid to put out these pathetic ratings.

[Willard Fillmore]

Who would you rather see in the Final Four Playoff, Miami or Clemson? Before Miami lost to Pitt, Ohio State had to have Clemson win out. Now it doesn't matter who wins the game.

So it's down from 3 needs for Ohio State to just 2. Alabama win out and Oklahoma win out. 

Wisconsin moves into the top 4 making a win over an undefeated Wisconsin all the more valuable for Ohio State. It's possible Wisconsin could be #2 when they meet in the Big Ten Title game. 

[sportsjock]

The previous committees were comprised of very qualified and knowledgeable people.
The comments I've been hearing is this committee is lacking real football people.
There's no question, this committee has a real love for the ACC.

[cbus]

According to this guy- ACC-1, SEC-2, Big 10-3, PAC 12-4, Big 12-5.

draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/08/04/ranking-every-fbs-conference-by-2018-nfl-draft-talent/3/