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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 21:20:33 GMT -5
Does anyone else see the fact that a JT lead team scored 14 points in just under 30 minutes and in 18 minutes with the backup the Buckeyes scored 17. Maybe that read option playbook is more effective with a threat of 20+ yards pass plays. And a meltdown is always in the making. I've been waiting for one of the haters to post this FAKE NEWS. Does anyone know the TRUE facts? Not Dumbo and Dudette fake stats. JT actually scored the 14 THANK GOODNESS, bringing his TEAM back from a 14-0 deficit and was leading his offense down the field for another score when he was injured. The back up didn't score any of the 17. AND the last 7 was scored due to the Michigan Defense giving up, hanging their heads in the inevitable defeat. After their lousy QB through a horrible INT.
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Post by cbus on Nov 26, 2017 21:49:12 GMT -5
More ridiculous absurdities from you. J.T. would have 'led us to victory' as well. The offensive line was beginning to assert itself 2nd half. The defense got us in a 14 point deficit to climb out of and he ran for one score and threw for another and was driving for the go ahead score when he went down. Happy thought for you but the truth is that he didn't. The Bucks never had the lead with him at QB. He makes the offense very one dimensional and the UM staff knew this and crowded the line to start the game since he is not a deep threat quarterback. And as the "defense got us in a 14 point deficit" the JT lead offense piled up -6 total yards. Haskins may be the better option. With 2 running backs that any one in the country would like to have, do we really need a running QB? Urban likes a run first QB vs a passer. He's kind of like Woody in that regard. Also, he doesn't like to throw the ball in bad field position which is where the Buckeyes were for almost the entire 1st quarter. I know Haskins has a better arm but he seems to throw into coverage more than JT. I haven't seen the detailed stats but Haskins was 6-7. How many throws were for more than 10 yards or more than 20? I seem to recall mostly 5 yard slants (except for the one to Mack in double coverage).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 23:00:43 GMT -5
Cbus, I cannot answer all your questions as I did not keep those stats when I was watching the game. You are correct on the run first vs a passer, but having a passer is part of that. Urban recruited him for a reason and made him the #2 QB so he must be able to run well enough for him. JT was 3/8 for 30 yards and a QBR of 70. In a lot less time Haskins was 6/7 for 94 yards and a QBR of 98. Plus Haskins averaged 8 yards a carry running the ball.
I'd like to know what the carries and yardage was for Dobbins and Weber with both QBs in the game.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 27, 2017 11:42:18 GMT -5
Haskins makes this teams offensive completely different. Man, I cant wait for him to be the starter for good. The offense is completely different with Haskins at QB because no read option plays and QB run plays are used. I can't wait until Haskins has a bad game and you'll be hating on him too. Unless you're such a dolt to believe that Ohio State will never lose another game. As Dumbo believes Ohio State would have won 4 straight undefeated National Titles if Cardale had started every game in his 4 years at Ohio State. IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE HE CAN THROW THE BALL saw Haskins hit more crossing routes in 1 quarter than JT has in 5 years the reason Dobbins and Weber started getting some big runs is that THE DEFENSE HAD TO ACTUALLY DEFEND THE FORWARD PASS when Haskins entered the game
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 27, 2017 11:43:16 GMT -5
Haskins averaged over 13 yards an attempt.
Barret...a lot less than that.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 27, 2017 13:20:03 GMT -5
Haskins vs Barrett IV
QB Rating over 160 in games this year 6 of 12 games Barrett IV had a QB Rating over 160 160+ - Army, UNLV, Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, Penn State below - Oklahoma, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana, Illinois Pads the stats vs 1 & 2 star DB's, flutters when facing 3+ star DBs
7 of 8 games Haskins had a QB Rating over 160 160+ - Army, UNLV, Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, Illinois, Michigan below - Michigan State - Only threw 2 passes Probably would be 8 for 8 if given just 2 more passes vs MSU.
Baker Mayfield - 12 for 12 with QB Rating over 160. (22 in a row overall) - it's not impossible to play great on a weekly basis.
I'm so looking forward to OHIO STATE football post JT Barrett IV. I root for OHIO STATE, not 1 individual player. The JT Barrett boys seem to root for Barrett IV and against Ohio State. Haskins is the best choice at QB vs Wisconsin, not Barrett IV. I root for OHIO STATE. Go Bucks, play the better QB, Haskins.
Barrett IV fanboys are like Zwick fanboys in 2004. Rooting for an individual player and not the TEAM. Troy Smith was better but the Zwick fanboys wouldn't hear it and would say 'how dare you question Zwick'.
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 27, 2017 15:01:50 GMT -5
The bottom line is, if bumping his knee is causing so much of an issue and its popping in and out all the time and he is not 100%, take his *** out and put Haskins in for the start.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 27, 2017 15:12:01 GMT -5
why is this entire program beholden to JT Barrett? he's the only QB on the whole roster worth a damn? gtfooh, 12 Gauge blew that theory up, as did Troy Smith before him, and Craig Krentzel before him
how good would Haskins look if we had actually gotten him some significant game-time reps with the 1st team offense? you mean to tell me that our 1st string QB has been hurt since the opening game and we have neglected to groom his backup in any meaningful way? shame on the coaching staff
once again, a backup QB bailed out a smitten head coach...hopefully .30-06 gets some practice time this week, i'm sick of the "we live or die with Barrett" attitude, Haskins has EARNED some reps, point blank, we were LOSING to UM when Barrett went down kids, LOSING
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 27, 2017 15:51:57 GMT -5
Lets reiterate that. LOSING TO UM when JT went down, LOSING!!!!! AKA NOT WINNING!!!!! That offensive passing (minus 1 drive) for the entire time JT was in was as stagnant as old Mary Jane Rottencrotch. JT threw for 30 yards and 25 of them came from 1 pass.
Urban disappoints many tried and true OSU fans with his all or nothing JT attitude.
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Post by cbus on Nov 27, 2017 16:01:20 GMT -5
Haskins averaged over 13 yards an attempt. Barret...a lot less than that. I thought you have to subtract yards after catch on this website?
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 27, 2017 18:35:53 GMT -5
if UM doesn't drop a gift-wrapped INT from Barrett when they're up 14-0 none of this probably matters
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Post by ronburgandy on Nov 27, 2017 18:59:20 GMT -5
Haskins averaged over 13 yards an attempt. Barret...a lot less than that. I thought you have to subtract yards after catch on this website? That only applies when it fits to help make someone’s point.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 27, 2017 19:35:28 GMT -5
The offensive players who graded out as champions were quarterbacks J.T. Barrett and Dwayne Haskins, receivers K.J. Hill, Parris Campbell and Johnnie Dixon, tight end Marcus Baugh and offensive linemen Isaiah Prince, Jamarco Jones, Michael Jordan, Billy Price.
Baugh and Prince were named co-offensive Players of the Game. Baugh caught the only Scarlet and Gray passing touchdown of the day and was a factor in the blocking game, as was Price, opening holes for 226 rushing yards and three scores on the ground.
Defensively, the champions were defensive linemen Sam Hubbard, Nick Bosa, Jalyn Holmes, Tyquan Lewis and Dre'Mont Jones, linebackers Jerome Baker, Chris Worley, Tuf Borland, cornerbacks Denzel Ward and Kendall Sheffield, and safeties Damon Webb and Jordan Fuller.
Hubbard, who was also the Big Ten's Defensive Player of the Week with 2.5 sacks, five total tackles and a forced fumble, and Ward, two pass break ups, eight tackles and one blocked point after attempt, were the the Buckeyes' co-defensive Players of the Game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 27, 2017 21:06:07 GMT -5
Cbus, I cannot answer all your questions as I did not keep those stats when I was watching the game. You are correct on the run first vs a passer, but having a passer is part of that. Urban recruited him for a reason and made him the #2 QB so he must be able to run well enough for him. JT was 3/8 for 30 yards and a QBR of 70. In a lot less time Haskins was 6/7 for 94 yards and a QBR of 98. Plus Haskins averaged 8 yards a carry running the ball. I'd like to know what the carries and yardage was for Dobbins and Weber with both QBs in the game. 3 of JT's passes were dropped JT brought Ohio State back from a 14 point deficit by running for a 16 yard TD and throwing for a 25 yard TD pass. Haskins had no TD runs and nor TD passes. Haskins became the #2 QB when Burrow broke his hand FAKE STATS!! Dudette is as big a FAKE as Dumbo. His entire post is full of FAKE stats. JT rushed for 84 yards before his injury. 1 run of 26 yards, his other carries averaged 4 yards/carry. Haskins had 1 run for 22 yards, his other carries averaged 1 yard/carry. Haskins can't run read option plays, he can't run QB run plays, Thus he MUST pass if he is going to be of worth to the offense. Haskins has A LOT to learn about being the QB in Urban's offense. Haskins will spend the vast majority of his practice time this off season working with Weber and Dobbins on read option plays. Plays that were not called when he was in this game and will be thrown out of the game plan if he's the QB in the Wisconsin game...Wisconsin knows this and will key solely on Weber or Dobbins on run plays. Dumbo doesn't want a passer. He wants to run the ball between 80% and 100% of the time. Or were those more of his lies and FAKE stats? At the end of the game when the Michigan defense had thrown in the towel. A lot of yardage for Weber and Dobbins came then. Especially on the 3 play 66 yard TD "drive" after the INT. ALSO Weber and Dobbins MUST get more rushing yardage when Haskins plays QB, he can't handle the read option run plays plays or run QB run plays.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 27, 2017 21:21:01 GMT -5
if UM doesn't drop a gift-wrapped INT from Barrett when they're up 14-0 none of this probably matters OR if Michigan had a QB as good as JT, the game would have been over for Ohio State. Every Thanksgiving I think about what I'm thankful for. I did the same this year. AFTER the OSU U of M game I rethought what I was thankful for and arrived at these. Thankful that Urban Meyer is the head coach at Ohio State. Thankful that Jim Harbaugh is head coach at U of M. Thankful for Jim Harbaugh's archaic offense. Thankful that Ohio State coaches have recruited the QBs they have. Thankful that Michigan coaches have recruited the QBs they have. Thankful for how Ohio State coaches have developed QBs Thankful for how Michigan coaches have not developed QBs Thankful Ohio State has Barrett, Burrow, Haskins and Tate. Thankful Michigan has Speight, O'Korn, Peters, Malzone, Moore and McCaffery. Thankful that Ohio State's 4 QBs are better than Micigan's SIX QBs
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 27, 2017 21:37:08 GMT -5
If we are going to report that JT rushed for 84 positive yards you need to also report he had rushes for -17 yards because most of us only care about the net yards which was 67 yards on 15 carries for an average of 4.5 per carry. Otherwise you are guilty of fake stats yourself.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 27, 2017 21:41:01 GMT -5
Lets reiterate that. LOSING TO UM when JT went down, LOSING!!!!! AKA NOT WINNING!!!!! That offensive passing (minus 1 drive) for the entire time JT was in was as stagnant as old Mary Jane Rottencrotch. JT threw for 30 yards and 25 of them came from 1 pass. Urban disappoints many tried and true OSU fans with his all or nothing JT attitude. Which QB brought Ohio State back from a 14 point deficit? Which QB ran for a TD? Which QB threw the only TD pass for Ohio State? Which QB was in the process of engineering another scoring drive for Ohio State when he injured his knee AFTER a 10 yard run? Which QB did not run for a TD? Which QB did not throw a TD pass? Which QB did not run any read option plays? Which QB did not run any QB run plays? Fans disappointed?? Just like Tennessee FANS were disappointed in the hiring of Greg Schiano? All they did was make the new UT AD look like a fool. That's what most fans do, look like fools. Your disappointment is meaningless to Urban Meyer. Meaningless to all Ohio State assistant coaches. Meaningless to all Ohio State players past and present. Meaningless to Gene Smith. Meaningless to the President of The Ohio State University. Meaningless to The Ohio State Trustees. You are meaningless AGAIN, your boy Dumbo wants to run the ball 80% to 100% of the time. Going into this game YOU said Ohio State should run and run the ball some more. Another way to be meaningless is to say one thing one day and the opposite the next.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 27, 2017 21:48:32 GMT -5
I'm thankful for all of the above as well.
Here's hoping Greg Schiano has his lawyers poised to burn the U. of Tennessee, their AD or Athletic Department. The AD showed lack of a spine, for bowing to the loudmouth, street protesters. Hell of a way to run an athletic program. If as reported they had a legal binding contract, signed by all parties, this is a slam dunk 'breach of contract' and throw in 'defamation of character' for good measure. This is going to cost UT dearly, a costly legal settlement with Coach Schiano and loss of sponsorships.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 27, 2017 22:18:30 GMT -5
why is this entire program beholden to JT Barrett? he's the only QB on the whole roster worth a damn? gtfooh, 12 Gauge blew that theory up, as did Troy Smith before him, and Craig Krentzel before him how good would Haskins look if we had actually gotten him some significant game-time reps with the 1st team offense? you mean to tell me that our 1st string QB has been hurt since the opening game and we have neglected to groom his backup in any meaningful way? shame on the coaching staff once again, a backup QB bailed out a smitten head coach...hopefully .30-06 gets some practice time this week, i'm sick of the "we live or die with Barrett" attitude, Haskins has EARNED some reps, point blank, we were LOSING to UM when Barrett went down kids, LOSING Your memory is VERY poor. You can't remember all of the haters Krenzel had up until after the end of the last game of his career with Ohio State? He was even hated during the gane. Another one of your theories is "blown up". Smith and Krenzel didn't play for Urban. Tressel was their boy. Shame on you for not being knowledgeable. JT doesn't even call this an injury. He's had it all year. He could always make it go back in right after it went out, just by flexing his knee. This was THE FIRST TIME, it didn't go right back in after flexing his knew. Watch the replay and see what he tried to do right after it happened. He stood up, flexed his knee, and nothing happened for THE FIRST TIME EVER. He than sat back down and had to leave the game. This also happened often in practices and he would just flex his knew and it would immediately pop back in. This is FOOTBALL not tiddly winks.ALL football players play hurt. How many times do you suppose Joe Thomas played hurt? The backup QB didn't "bailed out" anyone. JT "bailed out" the bad play of Ohio State's defense and special teams by running for a TD and throwing a TD pass overcoming a 14 point deficit. AND JT went down after a 10 yard run leading his team down the field for another score. The back up did what back ups at a quality program like Ohio State are supposed to do. Step up, next man up, A LOT of players do that. Kenny Guiton was the next man up when Braxton was hurt in the Purdue game. How many games did Guiton start after that? What Haskins did was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to what Guiton did in that game. BTW, in Urban's presser today he answered a question by saying that after Haskins performance against Michigan he now has confidence in Haskins. (translation of a PC answer) Before Saturday Urban did not have confidence in Haskins.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 22:33:36 GMT -5
I'm thankful for all of the above as well. Here's hoping Greg Schiano has his lawyers poised to burn the U. of Tennessee, their AD or Athletic Department. The AD showed lack of a spine, for bowing to the loudmouth, street protesters. Hell of a way to run an athletic program. If as reported they had a legal binding contract, signed by all parties, this is a slam dunk 'breach of contract' and throw in 'defamation of character' for good measure. This is going to cost UT dearly, a costly legal settlement with Coach Schiano and loss of sponsorships. The report has always been they were going to hire Schiano. Not that they had him under contract. If that is accurate then it was all talk and agreed upon but the papers had not been signed.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 0:29:23 GMT -5
FAKE NEWS!!
Schiano and UT DID have a signed agreement. Not knowledgeable one....how long do you think it takes for a coach's management to work out the details of a new contract at a new school for a big head coach's contract? Longer than overnight. Thus a written agreement is required, so another school can't steal your new coach while negotiations are on going. This written agreement is called a "Memorandum of Understanding". The UT AD broke the agreement. What do you suppose he would have done to Schiano if he broke their agreement?
I am 100% certain of this. Become learned. Do not bloviate. Do not hate.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 1:21:18 GMT -5
If we are going to report that JT rushed for 84 positive yards you need to also report he had rushes for -17 yards because most of us only care about the net yards which was 67 yards on 15 carries for an average of 4.5 per carry. Otherwise you are guilty of fake stats yourself. He didn't "rush" for -17. Sacks accounted for -13 of the -17. Only -4 came on RUSHING plays. Statisticians differentiate between yards lost on sacks vs yards lost on running plays. Running backs can not be sacked, thus all of their minus yardage only comes on running plays. If you want to split hairs I will give you the -17 that you wrongly complain about. Take those 17 yards away and JT averaged 3 yards per carry on his other running plays without his 26 yard scramble. Haskins averaged 1 yard per carry on his other running plays without his 22 yard scramble. You are the one with fake stats, by counting the one long "run" which was not on a running play. It came on a pass play that turned into a scramble. I was more honest than you by distinguishing between true running play yardage and pass play scramble yardage.
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 28, 2017 7:49:05 GMT -5
What is hilarious is those still defending JT. He sucks throwing the ball past 5 yards 90% of the time. He is a slow running qb who has played at OSU forever, hence why he has all the records at OSU who has heavily run the ball throughout history, well I guess you could also say that about the entire Big Ten as well. Lets not forget, UM gift wrapped a sure INT that was dropped. O'Korn, if he could hit a freaking barn, UM would have had minimal another 2 scores. We played a poopy UM who is all over the place and JT couldn't get the offense going like it should.
Sideline passes, 4 yard passes on 3rd and long and JT running the ball with a bum leg(s) just as much or more than our stud RB's = a loss against Wisky.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 8:47:32 GMT -5
What is hilarious is if you think someone is better than him you are called a hater. The QB position at Ohio State has been questioned and supported by fans, analysts, reporters and in some videos the coaches. But for some reason on this site if you are a BUCKEYE FAN and don't love JT you are a hater.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 28, 2017 9:00:15 GMT -5
Most National Media Analysts even hint at the team being better with Haskins in. They come out and say 'the team looks different with Haskins' 'everyone gets involved with Haskins' 'not a 1 man show with Haskins'
all hinting at ball hog JT 'noodle arm' Barrett IV playing keep away from his 2 stud RB's.
When Barrett IV is in it's the JT Barrett IV ball hog show. In 2014 when Jones came in, Zeke finally got the ball and exploded In 2017 when Haskins came in, the RB's finally got the ball and exploded WRs finally get the ball and make great plays, instead of having to wait on balls 20 yards under thrown by Noodle Arm Barrett IV.
JT Barrett IV single handily lost the MSU game in 2015 when he wouldn't let Zeke touch the ball. Zeke had 8 carries on a single drive (TD drive) and 4 carries the entire rest of the game while JT BarrettIt IV ball hogged it all game in a LOSS.
I'm looking forward to 2018 when all our 4 & 5 star players get to shine (like they did once Haskins came in) because the ball hog behind center will be gone and OSU will play a QB that wants to distribute to those players.
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Post by cbus on Nov 28, 2017 9:46:15 GMT -5
This will be one of the biggest decisions in Urban's career at Ohio State. Of course if JT is really hurt then it won't be. If healthy, I think he starts JT since he likes to run more than pass. I think Urban will try and give the Buckeyes the best chance to win no matter who he picks. I also hope he's flexible if things aren't working. If he doesn't, then the Buckeye fans will turn on him just like many have turned on JT. Just win baby!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 9:52:19 GMT -5
This will be one of the biggest decisions in Urban's career at Ohio State. Of course if JT is really hurt then it won't be. If healthy, I think he starts JT since he likes to run more than pass. I think Urban will try and give the Buckeyes the best chance to win no matter who he picks. I also hope he's flexible if things aren't working. If he doesn't, then the Buckeye fans will turn on him just like many have turned on JT. Just win baby! I don't think Buckeye fans have turned on JT, but what they have seen when the backup is in the game is the talent of all the great athletes on the roster.
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Post by cbus on Nov 28, 2017 10:21:52 GMT -5
Dude, That's well put. So I guess the fans won't turn on Urban they'll just appreciate the talent on the field when another coach is on the sideline.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 11:58:49 GMT -5
cbus, That's a nice spin on my words. You must be reading other posters and learning that skill.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 12:19:50 GMT -5
Most National Media Analysts even hint at the team being better with Haskins in. They come out and say 'the team looks different with Haskins' 'everyone gets involved with Haskins' 'not a 1 man show with Haskins' all hinting at ball hog JT 'noodle arm' Barrett IV playing keep away from his 2 stud RB's. When Barrett IV is in it's the JT Barrett IV ball hog show. In 2014 when Jones came in, Zeke finally got the ball and exploded In 2017 when Haskins came in, the RB's finally got the ball and exploded WRs finally get the ball and make great plays, instead of having to wait on balls 20 yards under thrown by Noodle Arm Barrett IV. JT Barrett IV single handily lost the MSU game in 2015 when he wouldn't let Zeke touch the ball. Zeke had 8 carries on a single drive (TD drive) and 4 carries the entire rest of the game while JT BarrettIt IV ball hogged it all game in a LOSS. I'm looking forward to 2018 when all our 4 & 5 star players get to shine (like they did once Haskins came in) because the ball hog behind center will be gone and OSU will play a QB that wants to distribute to those players. FAKE NEWS!! Poor journalism. No names of the National Media Analysts were given. Not even intelligent enough to change the wording of those quotes. Eerily similar to what you've been saying all year. FAKE NEWS countered by THE TRUTH! In 2014 Cardale wasn't good enough to throw the ball 50% of the time. BESIDES it is YOU who wants to run the ball 80%-100% of the time. The coaches were concerned about the number of passes Cardale HAD to throw, which was less than JT threw the ball, for the opponents not to key on Zeke on every play. Since he was the only one in the backfield that COULD run the ball. The plays that Cardale was not allowed to run were approx 75% of the playbook. Cardale could not run the read option run plays. He could not run the the read option run pass plays. He could not handle the QB run plays except for the QB draw. He was only allowed to throw passes that were near the sidelines. JT average 12% more passes per game than Cardale. JT's completion % was 67.5%. Cardales's completion % was 61.3%. JT averaged 70.3 net yards rushing/game Cardale averaged 26.6 net yards rushing in his 3 games. Those are the FACTS. The reason that Zeke "exploded" was that Zeke HAD to run the ball as much as he did and why Zeke was the reason Ohio State won those games. Cardale was the next man up and did what they have to do at a Top 5 Program like Ohio State. The running backs "shined" against U of M this year when the O-line blocked better and the U of M defense was beat down and quit. It is doltish fans like Dumbo who think Ohio State should be undefeated National Champions every year. Good luck Duane Haskins, I will support you in every game you play, win or lose. Dumbo will be hating on you when you have a bad game. He is a true hate monger, a personality defect. DO NOT LIE!! THE TRUTH about the MSU game in 2015. Zeke was in the hospital the week of the MSU game. Thus, Zeke was used as a decoy on many plays. Zeke still blamed Urban for Ohio State losing the game for not giving him the ball enough. He DID NOT blame JT. YOU are the only one on the planet with half an intellect that blames JT. THE COACHES CALL THE PLAYS, not the QB. The MSU defense stopped the QB run plays. The Ohio State defense couldn't stop the MSU QB run plays. Terrible weather for this game. JT completed 9 of 16 passes, MSU's QB completed 8 of 16.
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