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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 24, 2017 7:16:03 GMT -5
Can anyone provide a list of Divisions for this coming spring? tia
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Post by qcass352 on Dec 9, 2017 11:48:10 GMT -5
Lake Division: Bellevue, Clyde, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky, Shelby, Tiffin Columbian
Bellevue and Perkins boys won their respective league meets last spring. Both Shelby boys and girls were 2nd in the final NOL champs.
Bay Division: Edison, Huron, Margaretta, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard
Oak Harbor girls won their league meet last spring.
River Division: Lakota, New Riegel, Old Fort, Sandusky Central Catholic, St. Joe Central Catholic, Tiffin Calvert
St. Joe CC won both the boys and girls championships in last years SBC River division.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 1:06:16 GMT -5
Are they doing 3 separate meets for division titles?
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Post by clydesbcfan on Dec 14, 2017 17:36:40 GMT -5
Two day meet -
Day one - River and Bay at one location, Lake at the other.
Day two - finals all one spot.
Three titles...
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Post by galion on Dec 15, 2017 4:53:47 GMT -5
Will they be doing the field events on day 1?
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Post by footballfan on Feb 4, 2018 12:07:53 GMT -5
I know Bellevue is hosting the finals for all divisions on Friday 11th. Prelims are Tuesday the 8th at Bellevue and another location. Our schedule shows Lake and River on the 8th. I heard Huron was the other location for prelims. Not for sure on that?
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Post by picabo on Feb 4, 2018 17:11:20 GMT -5
Will they be doing the field events on day 1? I don't know the answer to that for the league meet. However, usually in tournaments, girls discus & boys shot (prelims & finals) will be held one night, and then they flip for the next night. |
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Post by picabo on Feb 4, 2018 17:20:57 GMT -5
Girls shot and discus will be fun to watch this year. You have a lot of good competitors all coming together in this new league.
In the bay division you have Black (a senior) from Huron, and Wolfe (a sophomore) from Oak Harbor that are strong competitors and I would expect them to be the early favorites. I know both went to state last year.
In the Lake division, you have strong throwers from Tiffin (a sophomore), Sandusky (a senior), Perkins, Norwalk, Shelby, and Bellevue. I would say that at this point, off-season work could determine who will jump out, but until those first couple of meets, it will be hard to determine an early favorite.
I do not know anything about the River division throwers, other than SMCC had a pretty good girl in the discus last season.
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Post by galion on Feb 5, 2018 4:20:08 GMT -5
Will they be doing the field events on day 1? I don't know the answer to that for the league meet. However, usually in tournaments, girls discus & boys shot (prelims & finals) will be held one night, and then they flip for the next night. The MOAC has had a 2 day meet as well. The running prelims and field events have all been on day 1. Day 2 has been the running finals. |
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Post by galion on Feb 5, 2018 4:21:10 GMT -5
Girls shot and discus will be fun to watch this year. You have a lot of good competitors all coming together in this new league. In the bay division you have Black (a senior) from Huron, and Wolfe (a sophomore) from Oak Harbor that are strong competitors and I would expect them to be the early favorites. I know both went to state last year. In the Lake division, you have strong throwers from Tiffin (a sophomore), Sandusky (a senior), Perkins, Norwalk, Shelby, and Bellevue. I would say that at this point, off-season work could determine who will jump out, but until those first couple of meets, it will be hard to determine an early favorite. I do not know anything about the River division throwers, other than SMCC had a pretty good girl in the discus last season. In the Lake, Perkins and Shelby both have some very good girl throwers. In the Bay, the girl from Port Clinton is very good as well. |
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Post by footballfan on Mar 25, 2018 10:31:06 GMT -5
I look for Bellevue to be in the top of the SBC title hunt. They only lost a couple seniors from last years team and this senior class is loaded with speed. 4x100 & 4x200 should be some of the fastest times in the area. The same team comes back in the 4x100 that finished 9th in state and we have to replace one boy in the 4x200 that finished 7th in state and I believe the boy that is stepping in was part of the relay two years ago. That is of coarse if they have clean hand offs. LOL Hoping for a fun season to watch.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on May 8, 2018 7:07:16 GMT -5
SBC Prelims are tonight at Bellevue and Huron, with the finals on Friday at Bellevue
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Post by picabo on May 8, 2018 14:21:25 GMT -5
Lake Division - Boys & Girls Shot Put tonight, discus on Friday
River Division - Boys & Girls Discus tonight, shot put on Friday
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Post by portwalk on May 11, 2018 12:51:46 GMT -5
Shelby’s 4x800 relay dropped a 7:58. That has to be one of the fastest in the State in D2 very impressive
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Post by Birdman on May 13, 2018 7:51:12 GMT -5
Pirates walk away with the title, as expected.
A lot of great times from the area athletes, should be some people on the podium come June.
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Post by picabo on May 13, 2018 15:09:34 GMT -5
from Baumspage
Women - River - Team Rankings - 17 Events Scored
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1) St. Joseph C.C. 152
2) Lakota 119
3) St. Mary C.C. 101
4) Calvert 64
5) Old Fort 62
6) New Riegel 21
Women - Bay - Team Rankings - 17 Events Scored
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1) Oak Harbor 160.50
2) Huron 134
3) Edison 101.50
4) Willard 90
5) Margaretta 68
6) Vermilion 55
7) Port Clinton 50
Women - Lake - Team Rankings - 17 Events Scored
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1) Shelby 137
2) Perkins 125.50
3) Bellevue 116
4) Columbian 111.50
5) Norwalk 75
6) Clyde 73
7) Sandusky 19
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Post by picabo on May 13, 2018 15:10:04 GMT -5
from Baumspage
Men - River - Team Rankings - 17 Events Scored
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1) Calvert 132
2) Lakota 110
3) St. Joseph C.C. 99
4) St. Mary C.C. 86
5) Old Fort 65
6) New Riegel 31
Men - Bay - Team Rankings - 17 Events Scored
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1) Edison 160
2) Oak Harbor 135
3) Huron 103
4) Willard 89
5) Port Clinton 70
6) Vermilion 59
7) Margaretta 40
Men - Lake - Team Rankings - 17 Events Scored
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1) Perkins 156
2) Shelby 120
3) Bellevue 89
4) Sandusky 86
5) Norwalk 80
6) Columbian 78
7) Clyde 45
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Post by sweathog on May 14, 2018 12:03:17 GMT -5
Went to Bellevue Friday to SBC met, to bad the weather couldn't have been better, COLD!
Bellevue did a great job putting on, but I have a couple of questions!
How does SBC decide who gets to hold event, this was Bellevue's first year in SBC!
Also they gave out individual awards to ladies and men for outstanding track field award or something like this.
It was my understanding the coach's from each school voted on this award.
On the men's side the person who won this placed 1st and 3rd in 2 events!
But I understand another person place 1st and 2nd in 2 events also, from another school and didn't get this award.
The same thing happened on the girls side also, both were from Shelby that should have won this award, this is my understanding!!
Are we playing politics again because Shelby is leaving SBC,
Sound just like football for SBC, Shelby you can play us next year, but you CANNOT win league or individual award because all games are non league with SBC
Maybe Shelby should not have left SBC after 2 years, but don't penalize the kids, this is there sport!!
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Post by picabo on May 14, 2018 12:57:57 GMT -5
Sweathog, I took this from the Meet Information page on Baumspage - directly from the SBC Invite link. Hopefully it addresses some of your questions. (The grammar police in me wants to change the use of "Their" to "There."  18. Outstanding Performer Award: Their will be (2) outstanding performer awards given out per division. One for the most outstanding running performance, and one for the most outstanding field event performance. Coaches will place their votes at the conclusion of the meet. Ballots will be in our meet day packets. Coaches will be asked to turn in at the finish line area as the meet ends. Awards will be announced and handed out at the conclusion of the meet. |
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Post by galion on May 15, 2018 0:38:54 GMT -5
Why do coaches need to vote on it? It's simple math. The kid who scores the most points should win the award.
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Post by clydesbcfan on May 15, 2018 9:52:47 GMT -5
Went to Bellevue Friday to SBC met, to bad the weather couldn't have been better, COLD! Bellevue did a great job putting on, but I have a couple of questions! How does SBC decide who gets to hold event, this was Bellevue's first year in SBC! Also they gave out individual awards to ladies and men for outstanding track field award or something like this. It was my understanding the coach's from each school voted on this award. On the men's side the person who won this placed 1st and 3rd in 2 events! But I understand another person place 1st and 2nd in 2 events also, from another school and didn't get this award. The same thing happened on the girls side also, both were from Shelby that should have won this award, this is my understanding!! Are we playing politics again because Shelby is leaving SBC, Sound just like football for SBC, Shelby you can play us next year, but you CANNOT win league or individual award because all games are non league with SBC Maybe Shelby should not have left SBC after 2 years, but don't penalize the kids, this is there sport!! Clyde hosts day 1 next year - and Gibsonburg hosts day 1 and finals next year. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on May 15, 2018 13:37:06 GMT -5
Why do coaches need to vote on it? It's simple math. The kid who scores the most points should win the award. If I had to make a case for why coaches need to vote on it, I would assume it has to do with the potential sprinter/distance runner disparity in points. A great sprinter can run in four races with maximum impact. A distance runner does not have the same luxury. I was at the state meet last year. There was a girl from Beachwood who placed 5th in the 1600M and won the 3200M by 17 seconds. In that 3200M, the gap from 2nd place to 8th place was only 15 seconds. Her coaches were sitting near us during the race, and when we made a congratulatory comment towards them after the 3200M. They mentioned that she was not so much as challenged in the 3200M in any way during the season. If I were voting for the most outstanding participant in Beachwood's league meet that year, I'd lobby for the girl who won by a landslide in two events over a sprinter with more points but less domination. This does leave the door open for subjectivity, like we saw in the SBC meet, but it does allow for the "best" choice if the voting is done in good faith. |
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Post by galion on May 16, 2018 1:47:06 GMT -5
But the kid that makes the maximum impact is the outstanding performer. I don't care how fast the 3200 meter runner is, if a kid wins 4 races they deserve the award.
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Post by Birdman on May 16, 2018 10:00:47 GMT -5
I am on the fence with this a little. I believe the kid who scores the most amount of points has a rightful seat at the table, but I do understand the distance runner issue as well.
Distance runners usually and someone correct me if I am wrong, but would do more than just the 3200 and 1600. I would expect a great distance runner, would be in the 4x800 and the open 800.
I think it would be best to go by points, and coaches vote. You could get a mix of results from that.
Off topic post, Anyone know if Perkins is in D2 or D1 this year? I read in the paper they moved down, but continue to see their times posted in the D1 section for Athletic.net results.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on May 16, 2018 10:19:43 GMT -5
A distance runner is VERY hard pressed to run four events.
4x800 is the first event, which in the SBC's case was held on a separate day.
1600M is in the first third of the meet
800M is in the last third of the meet, with only the 200M following before the 3200M
There is a case to be made that said runner could try to do the 4x400 instead of the 3200M, but that isn't a true distance runner is it?
I know some have significantly better conditioning than myself, but I ran a competent 2:05 800M in the day. I only ran the 4x800 and the 800 open in the same meet once, and I had ZERO chance of duplicating quality efforts. I ran the 400M and the 4x400 in the same meet several times and wasn't in danger of a significant drop-off in performance like I would be in the 800.
Let's look at a sprinter though:
100M
4x100
4x200
4x400
We can shuffle up the actual events a sprinter would run, but the most strenuous schedule would involve a 400M and a 4x400. Remember the Whechter twins from Shelby? They helped set state records in several events their senior year, but used to be 4x800 runners as well. They dropped that event to maximize their performance in the 110HH, 300H, 400M, and 4x400.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on May 16, 2018 10:31:11 GMT -5
But the kid that makes the maximum impact is the outstanding performer. I don't care how fast the 3200 meter runner is, if a kid wins 4 races they deserve the award. Here's a scenario: Runner A: Wins 4 events. No records are broken, but they score 40 points for the team 100M 4x100 4x200 Long Jump Runner B: Wins 2 events, places 4th in a third. Sets league meet records. Only scores 25 points 4x800 (1st place, 10 points, meet record) 1600M (4th place, 5 points) 3200M (1st place, 10 points, meet record) In this case, my definition of who was more outstanding that day is more nebulous than just point scoring. This is NOT what happened with the supposed Shelby athletes who had a case to win, for the record. This is why I would allow for subjectivity in the vote. I would compare this debate to the baseball MVP voting process: wouldn't it be ideal if we voted for the player with the highest WAR? Or should we allow subjectivity? |
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Post by Birdman on May 16, 2018 11:20:54 GMT -5
If you're setting a new record in an event, that needs to be looked at as well. If you score 40 points lets say and someone else scored 20, but sets one or two records in those 20 points, yeah I am picking the kid who set the record.
I remember the twins from Shelby, those boys could fly if it was 300M and further. Well that and the 110M Hurdles. I still remember watching them surpass us at the 2004 State Finals to take the crown.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 16, 2018 20:00:15 GMT -5
Sprinters are usually the best long jumpers and good high jumpers. Some are just as good in the 400 meters and a hurdle race. They have a plethora a of events to compete in. Poor weight men will never win the award, unless they throw the Disc 190 and Shot 70.
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Post by picabo on May 16, 2018 20:31:32 GMT -5
I've attended a lot of invitationals where the MVP is awarded by the number of points an athlete scores. However, most of those invites award additional points when a record is broken.
For example,
1st place in the discus = 10 points + new meet record 10 points = 20
1st place in the shot put = 10 points + new meet record 10 points = 20 for a total of 40 points.
I know it doesn't happen often, however we've had several area athletes (Kaylia Black of Huron comes to mind) who have accomplished this and taken the meet MVP.
The relays are solved by dividing the 10 points by 4 (for each member of the relay team).
Here is an example taken from Baumspage:
DETERMINATION OF OUTSTANDING ATHLETE:
1. Assign points earned in individual events/divide relay points by 4(four).
2. Add 10 additional points for new invite record, add 2.5 points for relay
record.
4. Add 5 additional points for tying an invite record, add 1 point for relays.
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Post by galion on May 16, 2018 20:35:12 GMT -5
Willard that's why they have an MVP for running events and a separate one for field events.
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