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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 27, 2017 11:53:59 GMT -5
Reverse the logic....there are enough crappy QB's on NFL rosters to fill a room and they would be hard pressed to earn a starting slot on any number of FBS schools. Huh? Which NFL QB right now would have trouble making the starting lineup in college? Mitch Trubisky? poor NFL QB - elite college QB Teddy Bridgewater? poor NFL QB - elite college QB There is a reason JT Barrett IV will not go pro as a QB The NFL wants QB's that can throw the ball. The NFL will not even take a chance on him because it's blatantly obvious he can't throw the ball
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Post by ronburgandy on Nov 27, 2017 12:24:19 GMT -5
Since Vogel just keeps repeating himself over and over I’ll repeat myself too, I don’t care about NFL. All I care about is college with Barrett and what he does for Ohio State. And since Vogel keeps talking about how qb’s pass in college as it relates to the nfl, why didn’t Jason White get drafted? He was a heisman winning qb that not one of the 32 nfl teams wanted. Why is that? And I’m willing to guess vogel’s answer will be that he was injury prone.
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 27, 2017 13:18:45 GMT -5
JT has all the records because he is the longest playing qb in the Big history on a winning team. Time spent in a program does matter, anyone saying otherwise has not a clue.
I think OSU struggles vs Wisc if a hurt and limping, slow JT is in there who simply cannot throw the ball past 5 yards accurately all season long. It will take a downfield effort to win. I believe JT, if left in would have lost the game for OSU this past Saturday. The offense went from limping along to prolific the moment Haskins came in.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 27, 2017 13:37:42 GMT -5
Since Vogel just keeps repeating himself over and over I’ll repeat myself too, I don’t care about NFL. All I care about is college with Barrett and what he does for Ohio State. And since Vogel keeps talking about how qb’s pass in college as it relates to the nfl, why didn’t Jason White get drafted? He was a heisman winning qb that not one of the 32 nfl teams wanted. Why is that? And I’m willing to guess vogel’s answer will be that he was injury prone. I see your gimmick is to continuously call me a drug addict, ex felon as though that will win you the argument. Trying to pretend my points are way off because I'm some heroin junky is a losing argument for you. You being Weinstein and looking forward to your casting couch with Barrett IV seems likely, why else would you be gushing over a noodle arm QB than to get him to your casting couch? Answer that Weinstein. Jason White - spent 6 years at Oklahoma - that's right 6 years because of his knees 2001 - reconstructive knee surgery on his knee 2002 - reconstructive knee surgery on the other knee 2005 - before the draft NFL teams give players physicals - nobody wanted to touch his weak knees 2005 - Tennessee Titans sign White as undrafted free-agent 2005 - And in Aug of that year White retires citing his weak knees Maybe you should become a NFL scouting expert. Waste a pick on no knees Jason White and noodle arm JT Barrett IV. The Browns will probably pay you a million a year to make those picks, call them up.
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 27, 2017 14:05:57 GMT -5
I could care less about the NFL and JT is not NFL caliber. Anyone with a pulse knows this. Drew B records would of been impossible to beat had he played a 4th year. The dude threw for like 3500+ yards a year. Unreal.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 27, 2017 14:11:10 GMT -5
Reverse the logic....there are enough crappy QB's on NFL rosters to fill a room and they would be hard pressed to earn a starting slot on any number of FBS schools. Huh? Which NFL QB right now would have trouble making the starting lineup in college? Mitch Trubisky? poor NFL QB - elite college QB Teddy Bridgewater? poor NFL QB - elite college QB There is a reason JT Barrett IV will not go pro as a QB The NFL wants QB's that can throw the ball. The NFL will not even take a chance on him because it's blatantly obvious he can't throw the ball You are consumed by your obsession with the NFL
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Post by ronburgandy on Nov 27, 2017 14:15:34 GMT -5
Since Vogel just keeps repeating himself over and over I’ll repeat myself too, I don’t care about NFL. All I care about is college with Barrett and what he does for Ohio State. And since Vogel keeps talking about how qb’s pass in college as it relates to the nfl, why didn’t Jason White get drafted? He was a heisman winning qb that not one of the 32 nfl teams wanted. Why is that? And I’m willing to guess vogel’s answer will be that he was injury prone. I see your gimmick is to continuously call me a drug addict, ex felon as though that will win you the argument. Trying to pretend my points are way off because I'm some heroin junky is a losing argument for you. You being Weinstein and looking forward to your casting couch with Barrett IV seems likely, why else would you be gushing over a noodle arm QB than to get him to your casting couch? Answer that Weinstein. Jason White - spent 6 years at Oklahoma - that's right 6 years because of his knees 2001 - reconstructive knee surgery on his knee 2002 - reconstructive knee surgery on the other knee 2005 - before the draft NFL teams give players physicals - nobody wanted to touch his weak knees 2005 - Tennessee Titans sign White as undrafted free-agent 2005 - And in Aug of that year White retires citing his weak knees Maybe you should become a NFL scouting expert. Waste a pick on no knees Jason White and noodle arm JT Barrett IV. The Browns will probably pay you a million a year to make those picks, call them up. Damn I'm good, I knew he would use the injury thing. That still doesn't change the fact that he could throw as well as anyone, as evidenced by his Heisman. And once again, I could care less about NFL so I have no clue why you keep bringing up about how Barrett won't do well in the NFL. Everyone knows that. 120 DI qb starters right now in NCAA and probably less than 5 will have good NFL careers. And Vogel isn't a drug addict or ex-con, actually has a nice house in Celeryville and works at Pepperidge Farm. I can stop by if you'd like, we can chat about football? I love talking sports.
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Post by ronburgandy on Nov 27, 2017 14:27:52 GMT -5
Can we get back to talking about Wisconsin/OSU or should we make another thread for the game?
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 27, 2017 16:23:29 GMT -5
And Vogel isn't a drug addict or ex-con There are 130 D1 schools not 120. Yes he is, the dude is in the Norwalk Reflector all the time getting in trouble for drugs and that's why you keep calling me him. You know JT Barrett can't throw so you have to resort to calling me a heroin junky as though that will win you the debate. You fail in these debates just like JT Barrett fails against decent defenses. I may be wrong but I think Wisconsin has a decent defense. A decent defense means JT will struggle mightily. Haskins on the other hand will light them up if he gets the start. Do what is best for the team Urban. Start Haskins.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2017 15:48:07 GMT -5
It’s amazing how Barrett, who isn’t a real QB according to Vogel, owns basically every record there is for Ohio State qb’s and even big ten qb’s. Crazy how all these real qb’s at all these other schools can’t get those records. CAUSE THEY AREN'T THERE FOR 4 YEARS. Some of the records JT broke belonged to Schlichter for goodness sake. And they didn't play in the hurry-up offense of today. Quantity sometimes can obtain it's own quality. See the above statement. Barrett just doesn't have the vision. What he does have, apparently, is his own room at Urban's since he is part of the family. This despite the fact that Nepotism has been dis-proven as an effective method for pairing parcel with post. Barrett has struggled in every game this year vs a quality defense. I expect the same vs Wiscy. His defenders will have no quarter if he tanks it. This is a "prove-it" game. For him and for the whole team, to the selection committee and the entire Buckeye Nation. Maybe the kool-aid drinkers can close their eyes and forget Iowa happened, but I can't because it DID. Dwayne Haskins can go in the game vs Clemson and get beat by 31. Dwayne Haskins can go in the game and get housed by Oklahoma's GARBAGE Big-12 defense at home. Dwayne Haskins can walk into Iowa for the first time in forever and play like crap. Barrett needs to be a DIFFERENCE MAKER, not just another guy along for the ride. That is where you boneheads get your "Oh they think Cardale would never lose a game dur dur dur" well no we don't think that, we think Barrett should be a DIFFERENCE MAKER, not a guy dropping INTs into a defender's gullet on the first play of a game on the road, or getting bailed out because another defender dropped a gift pick when we are already down 14. Show me a JT Barrett that is irreplaceable because I don't see that guy. I don't see him heads and shoulders above ANYone. I don't see any reason Haskins shouldn't get SOME snaps in this game and in the practice leading up to it. I hope he starts. Urban and JT are co-dependents and the program is better off when they are NOT together. But it has ALL LINED UP for his to make his case. He actually gets a mulligan on his abbreviated 2014 season. Twelve-Gauge dropped 59 on Wiscy. Let's see how Barrett hangs.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2017 15:54:12 GMT -5
JT Barrett is a 4 year starting, 5th year senior. Only poor passing QB's hang around that long. Winston went pro as a 2 year starting sophomore. He could throw. Barrett stuck around because the NFL doesn't want his noodle arm. He racks up all his numbers vs 1 & 2 star teams like Indiana, Maryland, etc then when he meets equal talent he throws for 50 yards. Haskins is 10 times better than Barrett IV but Haskins can now only be a 3 year starter. If Haskins beats out Martell next year then Haskins will go Pro. JT's records will be safe for eternity at OSU because elite passers will not be sticking around for 20 years at OSU like Barrett IV did. It's going to be a battle next year between Dwayne 'big game' Haskins Tate 'money' Martell It's also hilarious how Barrett is being credited as being 4-0 vs Michigan when he couldn't finish 2 of the games because of injury. MLB pitchers wish they could be credited with a win like JT Barrett IV. Get rocked 6-0 in the 1st inning, take yourself out with an injury then get credited with the win when the relievers throw a no hitter the rest of the way. Thank you Dwayne 'BIG GAME' Haskins for saving the day Saturday. Proves your lack of intellect to use Winston as an example. Winston's a serial rapist. He's one of the dregs of society. The ONLY reason he's not in jail today is due to his big arm. He's been charged with another sexual assault. Neither of which the NFL cares about. QB's in a run first offense system are never going to get drafted early or high. Remember, YOU are the guy who wants to RUN THE BALL 80% of the time. Unless you get Urban fired AND YOU no longer want to run the ball 80% of the time, Haskins isn't going to get to pass enough to get drafted high or soon. "10 times better" "stick around for 20 years" You can't make a post without 10 fold exagerations. FAKE STATS! Dumbo, this isn't baseball. If Tom Brady brings his team back from a 2 TD deficit and gets injured on a go ahead drive, that his nobody back up finishes with a score and the TEAM wins, who does the NFL credit the win to? The starting QB or the backup who played less than half the game? Dumbo, JT didn't get "rocked" in the "first inning". If not for the JT's 30 yard TD run and 25 yard TD pass Haskins would have had to over come a 21 point deficit to be a hero. JT took himself out?? Hell he almost single handily was driving his team down the field for a TD when he was knee popped out. Haskins wouldn't have had to make a ridiculous pass if he hadn't F'd up the previous 2 plays. Going from 3rd and 3 to 3rd and 13. Watch the pass from the side view, it was actually under thrown by a stride. He almost got Mack killed, as he had to slow down a bit to catch it, which let both DBs make a knuckle sandwich out of him. BARRETT DID THE SAME THING ON A WIDE OPEN TD PASS LOLOL!!!!!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 23:09:37 GMT -5
The only "wide open TD pass" in this game, there wasn't a DB within 5 yards. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 23:20:36 GMT -5
It’s amazing how Barrett, who isn’t a real QB according to Vogel, owns basically every record there is for Ohio State qb’s and even big ten qb’s. Crazy how all these real qb’s at all these other schools can’t get those records. CAUSE THEY AREN'T THERE FOR 4 YEARS. Some of the records JT broke belonged to Schlichter for goodness sake. And they didn't play in the hurry-up offense of today. Quantity sometimes can obtain it's own quality. See the above statement. Barrett just doesn't have the vision. What he does have, apparently, is his own room at Urban's since he is part of the family. This despite the fact that Nepotism has been dis-proven as an effective method for pairing parcel with post. Barrett has struggled in every game this year vs a quality defense. I expect the same vs Wiscy. His defenders will have no quarter if he tanks it. This is a "prove-it" game. For him and for the whole team, to the selection committee and the entire Buckeye Nation. Maybe the kool-aid drinkers can close their eyes and forget Iowa happened, but I can't because it DID. Dwayne Haskins can go in the game vs Clemson and get beat by 31. Dwayne Haskins can go in the game and get housed by Oklahoma's GARBAGE Big-12 defense at home. Dwayne Haskins can walk into Iowa for the first time in forever and play like crap. Barrett needs to be a DIFFERENCE MAKER, not just another guy along for the ride. That is where you boneheads get your "Oh they think Cardale would never lose a game dur dur dur" well no we don't think that, we think Barrett should be a DIFFERENCE MAKER, not a guy dropping INTs into a defender's gullet on the first play of a game on the road, or getting bailed out because another defender dropped a gift pick when we are already down 14. Show me a JT Barrett that is irreplaceable because I don't see that guy. I don't see him heads and shoulders above ANYone. I don't see any reason Haskins shouldn't get SOME snaps in this game and in the practice leading up to it. I hope he starts. Urban and JT are co-dependents and the program is better off when they are NOT together. But it has ALL LINED UP for his to make his case. He actually gets a mulligan on his abbreviated 2014 season. Twelve-Gauge dropped 59 on Wiscy. Let's see how Barrett hangs. Baker Mayfield has played in the Big 12 for 4 years, how many records does he hold? Your going to poo poo the Heisman trophy winner because he was a starter for 4 years?? WHY IN THE HELL aren't you making $5 Million a year some place being the head coach of a major college football program? Haters MUST hate. I take it back, you're a know nothing nobody. Zeke and Devon Smith are the reasons Ohio State won it all in 2014. Cardale was on a short lease and only completed 61% of his passes. Without GREAT catches by Devon Smith it would be closer to 50%.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 29, 2017 9:03:19 GMT -5
Baker Mayfield hasn't been with the same program for 4 years. Nice try tho. Talk about misinformation rofl.
You got nothing, as usual.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 29, 2017 10:09:44 GMT -5
Baker Mayfield hasn't been with the same program for 4 years. Nice try tho. Talk about misinformation rofl. You got nothing, as usual. He was a walk-on at Texas Tech, where he amassed 2,315 passing yds. and 12 TD's. He left Tech, claiming 'communication issues' with coaches and 'scholarship issues' (grades?) He tried the walk-on thing with Oklahoma, claiming he was no longer under scholarship and bypass the usual one year sit out period for in-conference transfers. NCAA wasn't buying - denied. He sat out 2014. WF stated "Baker Mayfield has played in the Big 12 for 4 years, how many records does he hold? Your going to poo poo the Heisman trophy winner because he was a starter for 4 years??" The above statement is correct, he was a 4 year starter in the Big 12.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 29, 2017 11:48:51 GMT -5
and my statement is also correct rofl
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 29, 2017 12:51:03 GMT -5
and my statement is also correct rofl Yep, both of you are correct, that doesn't happen too often....lol
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 29, 2017 14:13:27 GMT -5
agreed
but half of us are right 100% of the time, so we're batting .500
YOU'RE WELCOME FILLMORE <B
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 29, 2017 14:21:21 GMT -5
but it will be interesting to see what Wiscy is bringing to the table, they've played pretty well offensively and historically they have been able to control our pass rush with their jumbo offensive linemen
too lazy to look but i think their qb is a lefty? i'll be curious to see how Schiano lines up our D to take advantage of Wiscy's RT
and speaking of Schiano, i've bashed him a bit but to link him to the Sandusky thing is pretty hilarious, i mean we're talking about Tennessee here...TENNESSEE...it will be interesting to see if the D comes out and plays hard for their coach, saw at least one Buckeye defender come forward this week and mention Schiano by name
we gotta win this game and we gotta win it big...Barrett has it all lined up for him if he is healthy enough to play, but he has got to be a difference maker not a caretaker, if he is going to be a caretaker then i want to see Haskins
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 29, 2017 15:02:18 GMT -5
One thing that is apparent now that was not last week-----"IF" we struggle on offense with JT, we know we have a backup plan that "ain't too shabby"
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2017 15:55:35 GMT -5
Exactly!
Urban answered a question in his Monday press conference by saying he now has confidence in Haskins. A PC answer meaning Urban did not have confidence in Haskins in previous weeks.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2017 16:07:12 GMT -5
Baker Mayfield hasn't been with the same program for 4 years. Nice try tho. Talk about misinformation rofl. You got nothing, as usual. All 4 years in the Big 12. How many Big 12 records does he hold? Does not matter how many programs played at. You want to scru a QB out of the all time CONFERENCE record for most TD passes just because he played at 2 schools in the SAME conference??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 16:28:47 GMT -5
Baker Mayfield hasn't been with the same program for 4 years. Nice try tho. Talk about misinformation rofl. You got nothing, as usual. He was a walk-on at Texas Tech, where he amassed 2,315 passing yds. and 12 TD's. He left Tech, claiming 'communication issues' with coaches and 'scholarship issues' (grades?) He tried the walk-on thing with Oklahoma, claiming he was no longer under scholarship and bypass the usual one year sit out period for in-conference transfers. NCAA wasn't buying - denied. He sat out 2014. WF stated "Baker Mayfield has played in the Big 12 for 4 years, how many records does he hold? Your going to poo poo the Heisman trophy winner because he was a starter for 4 years??" The above statement is correct, he was a 4 year starter in the Big 12. Currently the only career Big 12 passing stat that Mayfield holds is yards per attempt
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 29, 2017 16:39:45 GMT -5
and this is relevant to Barrett vs Haskins and the Wisconsin game because...?
YPA is the most important stat in Football, for what it's worth...just FYI
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 29, 2017 16:41:00 GMT -5
He was a walk-on at Texas Tech, where he amassed 2,315 passing yds. and 12 TD's. He left Tech, claiming 'communication issues' with coaches and 'scholarship issues' (grades?) He tried the walk-on thing with Oklahoma, claiming he was no longer under scholarship and bypass the usual one year sit out period for in-conference transfers. NCAA wasn't buying - denied. He sat out 2014. WF stated "Baker Mayfield has played in the Big 12 for 4 years, how many records does he hold? Your going to poo poo the Heisman trophy winner because he was a starter for 4 years??" The above statement is correct, he was a 4 year starter in the Big 12. Currently the only career Big 12 passing stat that Mayfield holds is yards per attempt That is somewhat surprising. I think the guy has a few character issues, but no one can deny he has been a prolific passer.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2017 16:47:42 GMT -5
but it will be interesting to see what Wiscy is bringing to the table, they've played pretty well offensively and historically they have been able to control our pass rush with their jumbo offensive linemen too lazy to look but i think their qb is a lefty? i'll be curious to see how Schiano lines up our D to take advantage of Wiscy's RT and speaking of Schiano, i've bashed him a bit but to link him to the Sandusky thing is pretty hilarious, i mean we're talking about Tennessee here...TENNESSEE...it will be interesting to see if the D comes out and plays hard for their coach, saw at least one Buckeye defender come forward this week and mention Schiano by name we gotta win this game and we gotta win it big...Barrett has it all lined up for him if he is healthy enough to play, but he has got to be a difference maker not a caretaker, if he is going to be a caretaker then i want to see Haskins I'm not too lazy. Hornibrook is a lefty, the number 14th ranked QB in the country in passing efficiency #2 in the Big 10. Before the last game he had thrown at least one INT in 7 straight games. Has completed 64% of his passes with 21 TDs and 13 INTS, in 224 attempts. He has 23 rushing attempts for a net -87 yards zero TDs. Barrett is a righty, the number 7th ranked QB in the country in passing efficiency #1 in the Big Ten. Has completed 66% of his passes for 33 TDs and 7 INTs in 328 attempts. He has 130 rushes for a net 672 yards 5.2/carry, 9 TDs. These stats are based on Ohio State having the #35 strength of schedule and Wisconsin having the 77th. For Dumbo, JT 130 rushes, 345 rushes by running backs or WRs on jet sweeps. "Ball Hog"?? 7th ranked QB in the country = noodle arm?? Coaches call the plays!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2017 16:53:09 GMT -5
and this is relevant to Barrett vs Haskins and the Wisconsin game because...? YPA is the most important stat in Football, for what it's worth...just FYI NO this is relevant to hating on Barrett. If you read all posts, pay attention, have a good memory. You would know that the #1 hater on the planet Dumbo Vogel, puts down Barrett for being a 4 year starter and thus his records are meaningless. His BOY Baker Mayfield is a 4 year starter and on and on and on he talks about his greatness. The old taking out of both sides of the mouth at the same time to further an agenda.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2017 17:02:32 GMT -5
and this is relevant to Barrett vs Haskins and the Wisconsin game because...? YPA is the most important stat in Football, for what it's worth...just FYI YPA?? You now talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time to further an agenda. I can remember the hating on Barrett when he has games with a lot of YPA and the put downs come raining down because a lot of the yards were YAC yards. The same for Haskins last week. At least 75% of his YPA came on YAC on 5 yard deep crossing routes. YPA can not be the most important stat if the receivers are doing all of the work after they catch the ball. IMO TD passes vs INTs are the most important stats for QBs. Any coach will tell TOs are a team's biggest enemy. And in this era of high scoring games, you better have a QB that throws a bunch of TD passes. The worst team in the NFL in the read zone are the win less Browns. How many TD passes have the QBs thrown?
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 29, 2017 17:26:17 GMT -5
uh...what?
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 29, 2017 17:27:01 GMT -5
Mayfield has more career td passes than Barrett, for the record. 125 > 102.
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