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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 12:50:03 GMT -5
Well, we need everyone we can get right now. Watching the game from the stands last night, this team is getting better and more confident. Vermillion was blindsided a little bit last night. I think Vermillion thought that Willard would come in and just lay down for them. As for Broc, good kid with tons of passion and a "player." The Slone kid playing freshman and JV is a sleeper. He looks to score and can be a rebounding machine at times. I could see him playing some varsity at tournament time. Tourney time will be fun, they should make a good run and they will surprise teams. So many things wrong with this post. They will make a good run in the tournament? They’ll be lucky if they win one game bud. And the Slone kid won’t be getting any varsity time for tournaments. It is obviously a parent posting that may not know very much about basketball. The D3 District for will is not easy and you very rarely surprise anyone once post season starts and you get 100% of the opponents attention. Not saying upsets don't happen, but i'm not seeing that from this team yet as they sit at 3-6.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 6, 2018 14:40:33 GMT -5
So many things wrong with this post. They will make a good run in the tournament? They’ll be lucky if they win one game bud. And the Slone kid won’t be getting any varsity time for tournaments. It is obviously a parent posting that may not know very much about basketball. The D3 District for will is not easy and you very rarely surprise anyone once post season starts and you get 100% of the opponents attention. Not saying upsets don't happen, but i'm not seeing that from this team yet as they sit at 3-6.
I will take a snapshot of this discussion because when Willard wins their first two tournament games I’ll be the one saying “told you so.” Oak Harbor blew Willard out because Broc wasn’t on the floor. Their last 5 games, the team has drastically improved and they need to learn how to take care of the ball at the end of the game, that will be the difference. I like the name “bud” it is catchy.
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Post by bballfrenzy on Jan 6, 2018 14:55:51 GMT -5
The only way they win two games in the tournament is if they get a good draw and happen to get to very bad teams. I'm glad you're excited about your Flashes, as you should be, but you may need to take the crimson colored glasses off. They have some nice young talent, just give it time.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 6, 2018 15:12:38 GMT -5
The only way they win two games in the tournament is if they get a good draw and happen to get to very bad teams. I'm glad you're excited about your Flashes, as you should be, but you may need to take the crimson colored glasses off. They have some nice young talent, just give it time. I have heard that song and dance about talent for the last 5 years. They have plenty of talent and these coaches will have them ready. These players are learning to trust their coach and each other. They will win and i have contacts, not glasses.
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Post by broccolirob on Jan 6, 2018 21:22:36 GMT -5
Vermilion takes down Huron 70-59 behind Joby Pfeil's 25 points to go 6-0 in the Bay and sweep the first round of division games. Next up a trip to Sandusky next Saturday.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 6, 2018 21:38:18 GMT -5
Port Clinton 11-12-8-15 - 46 Oak Harbor 18-8-10-19 - 55
Port Clinton (0-9, 0-5): 16-38 FG, 7-8 FT, 7-19 3pt (Rumbarger 3, Diaz 3, Koskela), 22 rebounds (Stine 5), 15 turnovers. Scoring: Zayne Manning 0 0-0 0, Max Rumbarger 3 2-2 11, Max Brenner 4 0-0 8, Cooper Stine 2 1-2 5, Sammy Diaz 5 2-2 15, Alex Koskela 2 2-2 7, Stone York 0 0-0 0.
Oak Harbor (8-2, 4-1): 18-34 FG, 11-17 FT, 8-17 3pt (Alexander 4, Schulte 2, Hoy 2), 23 rebounds (McAtee 9), 13 turnovers. Scoring: Jac Alexander 8 3-4 23, Alex Gezo 1 3-4 5, Clay Schulte 3 0-0 8, Aric McAtee 2 1-2 5, Tate Smith 2 4-7 8, Jacob Lewis 0 0-0 0, Conner Hoy 2 0-0 6, Clark Rutledge 0 0-0 0.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 22:00:30 GMT -5
Vermilion has a nice team. Could be a whole lot better, And should have beat Huron by 30, If they would practice their foul shooting during the week, at all levels. They missed more than any of their 3 teams had made tonight. #23 good player, But sure is in love with himself and everything that he does. Very demonstrative in his celebrating all that he did, and some taunting. Questioned the officials calls a bit too much. He may not get that lucky with the officiating in Sandusky. He is a very good player, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 22:38:13 GMT -5
I will take a snapshot of this discussion because when Willard wins their first two tournament games I’ll be the one saying “told you so.” Oak Harbor blew Willard out because Broc wasn’t on the floor. Their last 5 games, the team has drastically improved and they need to learn how to take care of the ball at the end of the game, that will be the difference. I like the name “bud” it is catchy. Any team can win a game, but winning games in tournament is different. If the kids are working hard, competing and happy, then just be happy for them. Parents like you are ruining sports with your high expectations that kids or teams cannot live up to all the time. The team is 3-7 with their loss tonight with 12 games left in regular season, their is nothing to indicate they will go 12-0 and make a long tournament run.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 22:39:03 GMT -5
The only way they win two games in the tournament is if they get a good draw and happen to get to very bad teams. I'm glad you're excited about your Flashes, as you should be, but you may need to take the crimson colored glasses off. They have some nice young talent, just give it time. I have heard that song and dance about talent for the last 5 years. They have plenty of talent and these coaches will have them ready. These players are learning to trust their coach and each other. They will win and i have contacts, not glasses. Plenty of talent for what?
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Post by ScarletFever on Jan 7, 2018 1:53:38 GMT -5
I have heard that song and dance about talent for the last 5 years. They have plenty of talent and these coaches will have them ready. These players are learning to trust their coach and each other. They will win and i have contacts, not glasses. Plenty of talent for what? Well, the freshman & jv games were fun tonight v Edison. No comment on the varsity game.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 7, 2018 8:14:47 GMT -5
Plenty of talent for what? Well, the freshman & jv games were fun tonight v Edison. No comment on the varsity game. Freshman’s first win, congrats to Nick and the team. Basketball is as much a mental gain as it is a physical game. Take Dennis Rodman for example, the guy had the worst shot and had no shooting ability yet he was a master at getting into then opponents head and disrupting their game, he was a pretty good rebounder too. Point I’m making is other teams that play Willard know they can get in the heads of a few of the Willard player’s heads and when they do this the team self destructs. I have some earplugs and duct tape if anyone needs some. Keep pushing flashes and leave the trash talk for the X-box and you’ll see more wins on the hardwood.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 12:48:03 GMT -5
Edison is playing good basketball right now. They are only team that I can see beating vermilion.
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Post by colinc on Jan 7, 2018 17:03:36 GMT -5
Edison is playing good basketball right now. They are only team that I can see beating vermilion. not oak harbor ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 17:39:59 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Oak harbor has a shot as well.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2018 18:05:27 GMT -5
Well, the freshman & jv games were fun tonight v Edison. No comment on the varsity game. Freshman’s first win, congrats to Nick and the team. Basketball is as much a mental gain as it is a physical game. Take Dennis Rodman for example, the guy had the worst shot and had no shooting ability yet he was a master at getting into then opponents head and disrupting their game, he was a pretty good rebounder too. Point I’m making is other teams that play Willard know they can get in the heads of a few of the Willard player’s heads and when they do this the team self destructs. I have some earplugs and duct tape if anyone needs some. Keep pushing flashes and leave the trash talk for the X-box and you’ll see more wins on the hardwood. Dad, you have a bad team if other players can "get in the heads" of your players. The NUMBER ONE thing a good coach must do is to change than. A GOOD coach will sit players as often and as long as it takes to solve that. That's what I have seen good coaches do.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 7, 2018 19:07:22 GMT -5
Freshman’s first win, congrats to Nick and the team. Basketball is as much a mental gain as it is a physical game. Take Dennis Rodman for example, the guy had the worst shot and had no shooting ability yet he was a master at getting into then opponents head and disrupting their game, he was a pretty good rebounder too. Point I’m making is other teams that play Willard know they can get in the heads of a few of the Willard player’s heads and when they do this the team self destructs. I have some earplugs and duct tape if anyone needs some. Keep pushing flashes and leave the trash talk for the X-box and you’ll see more wins on the hardwood. Dad, you have a bad team if other players can "get in the heads" of your players. The NUMBER ONE thing a good coach must do is to change than. A GOOD coach will sit players as often and as long as it takes to solve that. That's what I have seen good coaches do. [br Joe is a good coach and doing well with this group of boys.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 7, 2018 19:36:05 GMT -5
Freshman’s first win, congrats to Nick and the team. Basketball is as much a mental gain as it is a physical game. Take Dennis Rodman for example, the guy had the worst shot and had no shooting ability yet he was a master at getting into then opponents head and disrupting their game, he was a pretty good rebounder too. Point I’m making is other teams that play Willard know they can get in the heads of a few of the Willard player’s heads and when they do this the team self destructs. I have some earplugs and duct tape if anyone needs some. Keep pushing flashes and leave the trash talk for the X-box and you’ll see more wins on the hardwood. Dad, you have a bad team if other players can "get in the heads" of your players. The NUMBER ONE thing a good coach must do is to change than. A GOOD coach will sit players as often and as long as it takes to solve that. That's what I have seen good coaches do. Not true at all, simply means we have a player or 2 that doesn't always keep their emotions in check, they are an inexperienced team that plays immaturely at times, saying the are a BAD team because of it shows your ignorance to the situation.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2018 20:32:47 GMT -5
If the coach doesn't clean up the immaturity, it will cause issues that will keep them from being a good TEAM, thus...... Tell us about the "situation". I'm not as "ignorant" as you think. No more than you for certain, possibly equal . This is the youngest and most inexperienced team Ontario has had in 30 years. They have a "situation" also. Two players have sat out the majority of a 2nd half. One starter sat the first half in a game. One starter is no longer a starter. Things are being done by THE coach to rectify the "situation". In order for his team to be better than they are, with the "situation". A good coach would not allow a "situation" to be written of as "immaturity", hoping it improves on its on. Just because a player becomes a year older doesn't mean he automatically becomes mature.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 7, 2018 20:51:33 GMT -5
If the coach doesn't clean up the immaturity, it will cause issues that will keep them from being a good TEAM, thus...... Tell us about the "situation". I'm not as "ignorant" as you think. No more than you for certain, possibly equal . This is the youngest and most inexperienced team Ontario has had in 30 years. They have a "situation" also. Two players have sat out the majority of a 2nd half. One starter sat the first half in a game. One starter is no longer a starter. Things are being done by THE coach to rectify the "situation". In order for his team to be better than they are, with the "situation". A good coach would not allow a "situation" to be written of as "immaturity", hoping it improves on its on. Just because a player becomes a year older doesn't mean he automatically becomes mature. Agree with everything you typed and Willard's coach is taking very similar steps, Ontario is certainly not a bad team (better than Willard for sure), Willard is learning and getting better, we're not good yet, we're mediocre, with the potential to be better than average, not writing off a few players behavior as acceptable, it has to change and i believe joe is doing the right things
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Post by moneyball on Jan 8, 2018 1:18:40 GMT -5
If the coach doesn't clean up the immaturity, it will cause issues that will keep them from being a good TEAM, thus...... Tell us about the "situation". I'm not as "ignorant" as you think. No more than you for certain, possibly equal . This is the youngest and most inexperienced team Ontario has had in 30 years. They have a "situation" also. Two players have sat out the majority of a 2nd half. One starter sat the first half in a game. One starter is no longer a starter. Things are being done by THE coach to rectify the "situation". In order for his team to be better than they are, with the "situation". A good coach would not allow a "situation" to be written of as "immaturity", hoping it improves on its on. Just because a player becomes a year older doesn't mean he automatically becomes mature. Agree with everything you typed and Willard's coach is taking very similar steps, Ontario is certainly not a bad team (better than Willard for sure), Willard is learning and getting better, we're not good yet, we're mediocre, with the potential to be better than average, not writing off a few players behavior as acceptable, it has to change and i believe joe is doing the right things For a first year coach here in Willard I’ll give him a B+ for his patience and development and an A for doing the right things and sending the right message at the high school level. There was a lot of buzz about that 8th grade team but I watched them a couple times this year and they are not clicking whatsoever.
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Post by tommygunn on Jan 8, 2018 12:03:37 GMT -5
I think Willard players have a bit of a chip on their shoulders when they come on the floor. Why do they, nobody knows? I think Willard may improve a little and I think Joe and the assistant will get the players to think more in terms of their role on the team rather than everyone wanting to be the star. I think Willard is a little slow overall but they do have some height, however their tallest player likes to shoot outside, so then there is that. You have to have talent bottom line and a coach can only get so much out of average to below average players. Lets give these coaches some time and see how they do.
Anyone have an over/under on how many games its going to take for Heath Polachek (not sure about spelling as I do not know him very well) to get tossed from a game? I have been to three games and it was hard not to watch him instead of the game. His antics and slamming a rolled up, I assume stat sheet, on the floor, kicking the bleachers, its unreal watching an adult act this way. I feel bad for his kid.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 8, 2018 12:24:27 GMT -5
I think Willard players have a bit of a chip on their shoulders when they come on the floor. Why do they, nobody knows? I think Willard may improve a little and I think Joe and the assistant will get the players to think more in terms of their role on the team rather than everyone wanting to be the star. I think Willard is a little slow overall but they do have some height, however their tallest player likes to shoot outside, so then there is that. You have to have talent bottom line and a coach can only get so much out of average to below average players. Lets give these coaches some time and see how they do. Anyone have an over/under on how many games its going to take for Heath Polachek (not sure about spelling as I do not know him very well) to get tossed from a game? I have been to three games and it was hard not to watch him instead of the game. His antics and slamming a rolled up, I assume stat sheet, on the floor, kicking the bleachers, its unreal watching an adult act this way. I feel bad for his kid. The act of humility. Something that is taught first and foremost at home. This is evident not only on the basketball court but you see it with everyone including teachers and coaches. People have forgotten how to be nice and civilized to one another, for the most part. It has become a society of I want mine and everyone else can do without. Myles Pinksten is a kid that I would love to see others follow. He keeps his mouth shut, plays hard and never disrespects anyone, players, coaches, fans or officials. This kid is who the coach needs to be showcasing as a leader, just watch his actions some time, he doesn't need to say a word.
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Post by bossman on Jan 8, 2018 20:52:45 GMT -5
The 8th grade team is now divided across the ranks. In my opinion they will be stronger in a few years when they have time to mature and get comfortable with high school speed. They are solid players who will only get better over time. They all seem to show the same behaviors as mentioned above. Joe has definitely brought structure to the program. If the Flashes work hard under his direction should be fun to watch for years to come.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 8, 2018 21:01:11 GMT -5
The 8th grade team is now divided across the ranks. In my opinion they will be stronger in a few years when they have time to mature and get comfortable with high school speed. They are solid players who will only get better over time. They all seem to show the same behaviors as mentioned above. Joe has definitely brought structure to the program. If the Flashes work hard under his direction should be fun to watch for years to come. If this is true, only one thing could be the cause.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 8, 2018 22:08:47 GMT -5
The 8th grade team is now divided across the ranks. In my opinion they will be stronger in a few years when they have time to mature and get comfortable with high school speed. They are solid players who will only get better over time. They all seem to show the same behaviors as mentioned above. Joe has definitely brought structure to the program. If the Flashes work hard under his direction should be fun to watch for years to come. If this is true, only one thing could be the cause. What does this comment mean? There are kids on this team not playing as a team and are self serving, is that what you are saying? What is the cause?
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 8, 2018 22:50:16 GMT -5
If this is true, only one thing could be the cause. What does this comment mean? There are kids on this team not playing as a team and are self serving, is that what you are saying? What is the cause? I don't think you have a clue what is going on with this team.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 8, 2018 22:59:13 GMT -5
If this is true, only one thing could be the cause. What does this comment mean? There are kids on this team not playing as a team and are self serving, is that what you are saying? What is the cause? They are 8th graders for gods sake, should be easily molded, tutored.....someone just needs to put the time and effort in, that hasn't happened!
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 9, 2018 0:39:16 GMT -5
Moneyball, I was at that game Saturday and I loved the way the freshman bounce back to win it in the closing sec's. of the game. On the varsity, I like that way your smallest player out there was hassling out there, even going down low to help out on rebounding. He reminds me so much like Nate Archibald back in my days. I hope he keeps improving and becomes the leader of that team. Sorry I missed you there.
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Post by chandler182 on Jan 9, 2018 9:30:09 GMT -5
Injuries, suspensions and how teams are currently performing...this is how I predict the Bay Div will finish now!
1. Vermilion 2. Oak Harbor 3. Huron 4. Edison 5. Willard 6. Margaretta 7. Port Clinton
POY......Montgomery from Verm
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Post by moneyball on Jan 9, 2018 10:40:10 GMT -5
What does this comment mean? There are kids on this team not playing as a team and are self serving, is that what you are saying? What is the cause? I don't think you have a clue what is going on with this team. I've heard some things but I don't really know what is going on with this team. I heard the coach misses some practices and they have coached themselves a few times. If that is true, even if the 7th grade coach is in the same gym that isn't good. I heard a few people talking about a player or two that has an attitude on the team but they say he is a good player so they turn a blind eye to his actions. I would hate for a kid with some talent to put himself in a situation where he thinks he is more importation than the growth and success of the team, it sounds like that might be the case with this team. The few times I've watched them this year, they looked much better last year.
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