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Dec 4, 2017 11:06:28 GMT -5
Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 4, 2017 11:06:28 GMT -5
OSU is out because they lost bad to Iowa. Nope. Oklahoma. 12-1 Big Ten Champs get in Clemson lost to absolutely horrendous Syracuse and got in as the #1 seed. Playing Oklahoma cost Ohio State, should have scheduled Youngstown State or South Dakota. Lose once and you can claim 'fluke'. It's best to schedule cream puffs like Bama and Washington do for non-Conf games
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Dec 4, 2017 11:12:36 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 11:12:36 GMT -5
OSU is out because they lost bad to Iowa. Nope. Oklahoma. 12-1 Big Ten Champs get in Clemson lost to absolutely horrendous Syracuse and got in as the #1 seed. Playing Oklahoma cost Ohio State, should have scheduled Youngstown State or South Dakota. Lose once and you can claim 'fluke'. It's best to schedule cream puffs like Bama and Washington do for non-Conf games Oklahoma could be explained and would have still got us in. Iowa was our second loss. We are not in because we lost to Iowa.
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Dec 4, 2017 12:27:55 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 4, 2017 12:27:55 GMT -5
The only Top 15 team Alabama played they lost. Ohio State won 3 games against Top 15 teams. #2, #4, #13 Alabama finished 2nd in their Division. Ohio State won their Division and the Big Ten Title game. NOW, the ONLY THING that matters is what your final record is REGARDLESS of who you played. From this day forward, The MOST IMPORTANT thing a Power Five Conference school MUST do is play as many MAC type schools and DII teams as possible. Secondly, NEVER play a non-league game on the road. That's what Alabama has done for decades. If you're a top tier Power Five Conference school IMMEDIATELY cancel all non-leagues on your future schedules against schools from other Power Five Conferences. So your schedules will match Alabama's schedule. I don't think this has anything to do with this at all. Although on neutral field, Bama did play FSU this year when FSU was #3. More than anything, one simply CANNOT lose by 31 to an unranked team. Alabama NEVER plays a non-conference game on the road since Saban has been there.
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Dec 4, 2017 12:34:06 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 4, 2017 12:34:06 GMT -5
Nope. Oklahoma. 12-1 Big Ten Champs get in Clemson lost to absolutely horrendous Syracuse and got in as the #1 seed. Playing Oklahoma cost Ohio State, should have scheduled Youngstown State or South Dakota. Lose once and you can claim 'fluke'. It's best to schedule cream puffs like Bama and Washington do for non-Conf games Oklahoma could be explained and would have still got us in. Iowa was our second loss. We are not in because we lost to Iowa. If Ohio State's 2nd loss is to Michigan instead of Iowa does Ohio State get in? Nope. THE ONLY thing that matters NOW for Power Five conference teams is the final record, number of losses. Regardless of strength of schedule. Regardless of winning your Division. Regardless of winning your Conference Championship game.
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Dec 4, 2017 12:36:55 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 4, 2017 12:36:55 GMT -5
OR...and I know this is a CRAZY thought...DON'T GET YOUR *** HANDED TO YOU BY AN AVERAGE IOWA TEAM! DOES NOT MATTER if that's your only loss.
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Dec 4, 2017 12:39:48 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 4, 2017 12:39:48 GMT -5
OSU doesn't belong in it. So long as their offense is what it is with JT, I can't make any credible argument that OSU can stay within 3 tds of any of those other 3 teams. Like it or not after last years debacle against Clemson, OSU did not give that committee one solitary reason to believe that another game between the two would be any more competitive this year. I doubt they'll even beat USC in the Cotton Bowl. On the bright side at least when we ring in the new year the JT Barrett era will be over(unless he comes back as a GA). Ohio State scored enough points to beat what everyone is calling a LOUSY TEAM. Even a lousy team can beat you when they score 55.
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Dec 4, 2017 12:54:48 GMT -5
Post by DrTorch on Dec 4, 2017 12:54:48 GMT -5
glad we landed where we did, wasn't looking forward to getting housed by Clemson again and going 0-3 vs them in Bowl Games during the Urban Meyer regime
still, i am very disappointed that Haskins didn't get the start, but relieved the whole being beholden to JT "Can do no Wrong" Barrett is finally OV-UH
if you can't throw the ball you can't be a QB, that's my POV
GO BUCKS!
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Dec 4, 2017 13:07:50 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 13:07:50 GMT -5
I'm just glad he is a senior. We would not be getting any top notch receiving recruits if he was coming back for another year or two.
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Dec 4, 2017 20:49:32 GMT -5
Post by qcass352 on Dec 4, 2017 20:49:32 GMT -5
I don't think this has anything to do with this at all. Although on neutral field, Bama did play FSU this year when FSU was #3. More than anything, one simply CANNOT lose by 31 to an unranked team. Yes instead of scheduling a 9th Conference game vs a 7-5 team, Ohio State should have only scheduled 8 like Alabama and played a November game vs a FCS school like Alabama does every single year. OSU needs to take note and play a softer schedule next year. Washington and Alabama are showing the way to make the playoff is to play cream puffs in non-conference. Alabama is showing the way by playing as few Power Fives schools as they can. Purdue played 11 Power Five Schools, Alabama only had the balls to play 9. USC also needs to stop playing so many Power Five schools, they play 11 or 12 Power Five schools every year, then get 2 losses and left out to teams like Alabama that play tomato cans. If USC didn't schedule Notre Dame then USC would be in the playoff right now. USC scheduled Notre Dame & Texas in non-Conf action to go along with 9 Conference games. USC needs to drop 1 Conf game, drop tough non-Conf games to make their schedule more in line with Alabama so they can pad the win totals and not take a chance of losing. Bama only plays 8 Conf games and schedules the Blind Poor Deaf Sisters of Cerebral Palsy every November. The issue with your logic here is that the schools don't get to pick how many conference games they play or which of those teams they play. The conference office makes that decision.
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Dec 4, 2017 22:02:07 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 4, 2017 22:02:07 GMT -5
glad we landed where we did, wasn't looking forward to getting housed by Clemson again and going 0-3 vs them in Bowl Games during the Urban Meyer regime still, i am very disappointed that Haskins didn't get the start, but relieved the whole being beholden to JT "Can do no Wrong" Barrett is finally OV-UH if you can't throw the ball you can't be a QB, that's my POV GO BUCKS! You better not be hating on the starting QB next year. I'll be supporting him 100%, with FACTS and TRUE stats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 7:12:41 GMT -5
The issue with your logic here is that the schools don't get to pick how many conference games they play or which of those teams they play. The conference office makes that decision. If the schools went to the conference office and said we want to play a 9th conference game, it would happen. Most coaches would not want a 9th league game like most of the Big Ten coaches did not. But if the coaches and schools asked for it, my guess is it would happen.
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Dec 5, 2017 12:46:32 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 5, 2017 12:46:32 GMT -5
NOT true, when the Big Ten went to nine game, Urban Meyer had no say. AND the Ohio State administrators from top to bottom were not in favor.
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Dec 5, 2017 13:46:12 GMT -5
Post by DrTorch on Dec 5, 2017 13:46:12 GMT -5
glad we landed where we did, wasn't looking forward to getting housed by Clemson again and going 0-3 vs them in Bowl Games during the Urban Meyer regime still, i am very disappointed that Haskins didn't get the start, but relieved the whole being beholden to JT "Can do no Wrong" Barrett is finally OV-UH if you can't throw the ball you can't be a QB, that's my POV GO BUCKS! You better not be hating on the starting QB next year. I'll be supporting him 100%, with FACTS and TRUE stats. lol next year? call me when he's been the starter for 4 years and has gotten worse every year, no one gets buried by me their first year as a starter Barrett was a 5th year senior. Improve from year to year, please. That's why he caught flak, he never improved. He got WORSE. So spare me the TURRIBLE comparison old man, you still got nothing. If Haskins is still making bad reads and terrible picks after 4 years as a starter I will be the first in line to rip him, trust and believe.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 6, 2017 8:13:47 GMT -5
+1 players are supposed to improve as their career moves along. It's like any craft you are learning, you get better as you gain experience.
Baker Mayfield Fr year - 56.8 ADJ QBR So year - 80.4 ADJ QBR Jr year - 91.8 ADJ QBR Sr year - 93.1 ADJ QBR He's gained experience and now he's an expert out there. Amazing every single game
JT Barrett IV Fr year - 87.1 ADJ QBR So year - 76.9 ADJ QBR Jr year - 70.5 ADJ QBR Sr year - 82.0 ADJ QBR JT trended down, then rebounded in year 4 but his best year is still his freshman year. How in the world is his FRESHMAN year his best year? Players are supposed to get better as they get older.
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 6, 2017 8:48:57 GMT -5
Better talent around you one year over the other matters too. JT took a pounding at OSU with what he was asked to do these 4 years. I'll always remember him being 4-0 against Michigan and for that alone he's made his mark at OSU I believe. Much like Rick Leach at UM who was 3-1 against OSU but did nothing in the NFL
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Post by ronburgandy on Dec 6, 2017 8:55:14 GMT -5
You better not be hating on the starting QB next year. I'll be supporting him 100%, with FACTS and TRUE stats. lol next year? call me when he's been the starter for 4 years and has gotten worse every year, no one gets buried by me their first year as a starter Barrett was a 5th year senior. Improve from year to year, please. That's why he caught flak, he never improved. He got WORSE. So spare me the TURRIBLE comparison old man, you still got nothing. If Haskins is still making bad reads and terrible picks after 4 years as a starter I will be the first in line to rip him, trust and believe. Well to be fair and just a point to make, Haskins can't be a 4 year starter now as he only has 3 years of eligibility left. Unless he gets hurt and gets a medical redshirt, but god forbid that happens.
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Dec 6, 2017 10:47:20 GMT -5
Post by tommygunn on Dec 6, 2017 10:47:20 GMT -5
+1 players are supposed to improve as their career moves along. It's like any craft you are learning, you get better as you gain experience. Baker MayfieldFr year - 56.8 ADJ QBR So year - 80.4 ADJ QBR Jr year - 91.8 ADJ QBR Sr year - 93.1 ADJ QBR He's gained experience and now he's an expert out there. Amazing every single game JT Barrett IVFr year - 87.1 ADJ QBR So year - 76.9 ADJ QBR Jr year - 70.5 ADJ QBR Sr year - 82.0 ADJ QBR JT trended down, then rebounded in year 4 but his best year is still his freshman year. How in the world is his FRESHMAN year his best year? Players are supposed to get better as they get older. Facts and stats do not lie. JT was pretty average as a qb. Sure he could beat up on bad teams but rarely did he have great performances against good teams. UM is absolutely turrrrible so JT beating them the last 4 years means nothing other than he beat up on turrrrrible UM teams.
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Dec 6, 2017 13:45:22 GMT -5
Post by buckeyekid on Dec 6, 2017 13:45:22 GMT -5
I disagree about UM being terrible. I don't think 9-3 is terrible. 5-7 is terrible. They are our biggest rival, and I'm pretty confident when I say we have lost to UM teams that were not as good as these past 4 years. Crazy things happen in rivalry games and to go 4-0 ---absolutely says something. Check out Tom Brady's record vs OSU,
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Dec 6, 2017 15:04:10 GMT -5
Post by DrTorch on Dec 6, 2017 15:04:10 GMT -5
going 4-0 vs UM is quite impressive, however Barrett only finished 2 of those games
in 2014 he was having a great game but got injured on the 1st play of the 4th quarter with a touchdown lead over Brady Hoke's Wolverines...12 gauge relieved him and basically handed off to victory
in 2017 he was having a meh game but got injured, and when he left OSU was losing...Barrett was averaging 3.8 YPA at the time on 8 attempts
(Haskins came in and averaged 13.4 on one less attempt for comparison's sake.)
I hope Barrett heals up and plays his jack wagon off in his home state of Texas vs the mighty Trojans. He deserves it. He had a great career in that sometimes quantity begets it's own kind of quality. Like the T-34s in WWII. But I digress. To me, a Columbus resident and Buckeye Fan, this is a big game. We lost the last double dip vs USC when we got throttled in LA and then lost on a 98 yard drive to a true frosh QB Matt Barkley. (I was actually on the field for that last drive bah)
So this is a big game, a chance to end a 7-game losing to streak vs USC in a (finally!) neutral site, in front of Barrett's peeps, and a game I want to win. I'm not really bummed we missed the playoffs, and I think this is a good matchup. I wanna win this game and I want to see Barrett go out there and perform well so that is how he is remembered. Then I can look forward next year to seeing something different. Maybe worse, yeah you would expect some falloff from a 5th year Senior to what will be a very inexperienced group of QBs.
I'm not real familiar with Haskins, although I liked what I saw, or Emory Jones. I was kind of on the Tate Martell bandwagon but man oh man he looks really small next to all those other cats. Haven't seen much of Burrows either. It will be nice to get a chance to see these kids in the Spring Game.
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Dec 6, 2017 17:48:11 GMT -5
Post by sportsjock on Dec 6, 2017 17:48:11 GMT -5
Good summation there Torch.
J.T. has cemented his legacy at Ohio State, a solid win over the Trojans will give it additonal dressing.
Recent EJ comments and recruiting events have elevated our hopes that Emory Jones will be dressed in scarlet and gray, after-all. If he sticks with his commitment, it will make for a very interesting QB battle next year.
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Dec 6, 2017 17:58:46 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2017 17:58:46 GMT -5
You better not be hating on the starting QB next year. I'll be supporting him 100%, with FACTS and TRUE stats. lol next year? call me when he's been the starter for 4 years and has gotten worse every year, no one gets buried by me their first year as a starter Barrett was a 5th year senior. Improve from year to year, please. That's why he caught flak, he never improved. He got WORSE. So spare me the TURRIBLE comparison old man, you still got nothing. If Haskins is still making bad reads and terrible picks after 4 years as a starter I will be the first in line to rip him, trust and believe. Not making any comparisons in QBs. Haters gotta hate. There will be some after one bad game, by whoever the starting QB might be next year, that will hate. I have seen it.
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Dec 6, 2017 18:12:48 GMT -5
Post by DrTorch on Dec 6, 2017 18:12:48 GMT -5
see i don't think it's hating when you're disappointed that your 4-year starter has pretty much gotten worse every year
what do you call it when the haters accuse the hater?
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Dec 6, 2017 18:20:49 GMT -5
Post by tommygunn on Dec 6, 2017 18:20:49 GMT -5
blind?
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Dec 6, 2017 18:32:54 GMT -5
Post by DrTorch on Dec 6, 2017 18:32:54 GMT -5
i was thinking a Taylor Swift album?
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Dec 6, 2017 20:52:10 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2017 20:52:10 GMT -5
going 4-0 vs UM is quite impressive, however Barrett only finished 2 of those games in 2014 he was having a great game but got injured on the 1st play of the 4th quarter with a touchdown lead over Brady Hoke's Wolverines...12 gauge relieved him and basically handed off to victory in 2017 he was having a meh game but got injured, and when he left OSU was losing...Barrett was averaging 3.8 YPA at the time on 8 attempts (Haskins came in and averaged 13.4 on one less attempt for comparison's sake.) I hope Barrett heals up and plays his jack wagon off in his home state of Texas vs the mighty Trojans. He deserves it. He had a great career in that sometimes quantity begets it's own kind of quality. Like the T-34s in WWII. But I digress. To me, a Columbus resident and Buckeye Fan, this is a big game. We lost the last double dip vs USC when we got throttled in LA and then lost on a 98 yard drive to a true frosh QB Matt Barkley. (I was actually on the field for that last drive bah) So this is a big game, a chance to end a 7-game losing to streak vs USC in a (finally!) neutral site, in front of Barrett's peeps, and a game I want to win. I'm not really bummed we missed the playoffs, and I think this is a good matchup. I wanna win this game and I want to see Barrett go out there and perform well so that is how he is remembered. Then I can look forward next year to seeing something different. Maybe worse, yeah you would expect some falloff from a 5th year Senior to what will be a very inexperienced group of QBs. I'm not real familiar with Haskins, although I liked what I saw, or Emory Jones. I was kind of on the Tate Martell bandwagon but man oh man he looks really small next to all those other cats. Haven't seen much of Burrows either. It will be nice to get a chance to see these kids in the Spring Game. Those "kids" took 80% of the snaps in the last spring game.
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Dec 6, 2017 20:55:14 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2017 20:55:14 GMT -5
see i don't think it's hating when you're disappointed that your 4-year starter has pretty much gotten worse every year what do you call it when the haters accuse the hater? PAY ATTENTION.....AGAIN....NOT comparing QBs....ALLL I"m saying is there WILL be "fans" that will be hating on OSU's new QB next year, regardless of who it is, after one bad game. Haters gotta hate.
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Dec 6, 2017 20:59:45 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2017 20:59:45 GMT -5
+1 players are supposed to improve as their career moves along. It's like any craft you are learning, you get better as you gain experience. Baker MayfieldFr year - 56.8 ADJ QBR So year - 80.4 ADJ QBR Jr year - 91.8 ADJ QBR Sr year - 93.1 ADJ QBR He's gained experience and now he's an expert out there. Amazing every single game JT Barrett IVFr year - 87.1 ADJ QBR So year - 76.9 ADJ QBR Jr year - 70.5 ADJ QBR Sr year - 82.0 ADJ QBR JT trended down, then rebounded in year 4 but his best year is still his freshman year. How in the world is his FRESHMAN year his best year? Players are supposed to get better as they get older. Facts and stats do not lie. JT was pretty average as a qb. Sure he could beat up on bad teams but rarely did he have great performances against good teams. UM is absolutely turrrrible so JT beating them the last 4 years means nothing other than he beat up on turrrrrible UM teams. FAKE STATS!!! What Dumbo Vogel fails to tell neophytes like you is that JT IS THE NUMBER SEVEN RANKED QB IN THE COUNTRY.
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Dec 6, 2017 23:15:52 GMT -5
Post by DrTorch on Dec 6, 2017 23:15:52 GMT -5
that doesn't mean his stats are fake rofl
good gravy
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 7, 2017 1:07:51 GMT -5
Dumbo Vogel is the queen of stats. Being in the top 5% of QBs in the country isn't worthy of a mention? Not once has it been in his pomposity of stats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 7:46:12 GMT -5
As I see all these small hidden posts I can only imagine the name calling and lack of knowledge that is being questioned. Although I feel Buckeye Nation overall is happen with JT since we are 4-0 vs UM, won a National Title during his time in Columbus and he may go down in the records books as a good career QB, no one can argue the fact that his best rated year was his freshman(which is uncommon for a 4yr starter) and his abilities are not being considered for the next level. I'm not saying the NFL draft board is a decider but the teams consistently at the top of the NCAA D1 rankings all have a QB that is being discussed weather he can make the draft or he can't. For JT there is no discussion and I feel that indicates his limited ability and this has limited the Buckeyes in what they can do or what they could have done.
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