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Post by tommygunn on Dec 11, 2017 20:25:59 GMT -5
If any regressing in anything takes you to #7 out of 100+, it is a very minimal regression. No need for more logic than that. J.T. was invited to the College Football Awards Show as one of the 5 finalists for the 'Maxwell Award'. Maybe its also speaks in volumes about how the college qb selection just isn't that good.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 11, 2017 22:57:14 GMT -5
J.T. was invited to the College Football Awards Show as one of the 5 finalists for the 'Maxwell Award'. Maybe its also speaks in volumes about how the college qb selection just isn't that good. Keep up your continuous rhetoric and maybe even you will begin believing your crap. Enough already.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 12, 2017 2:31:10 GMT -5
J.T. was invited to the College Football Awards Show as one of the 5 finalists for the 'Maxwell Award'. Maybe its also speaks in volumes about how the college qb selection just isn't that good. The only thing your thoughts speak volumes about is your lack of intellect.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 9:32:50 GMT -5
J.T. was invited to the College Football Awards Show as one of the 5 finalists for the 'Maxwell Award'. Maybe its also speaks in volumes about how the college qb selection just isn't that good. Using the QBR from ESPN as a scale of QB talent, I see that it is uncommon to have an end of the season rating below 80 in the top 10 rated QBs. This year there are 2 below 80 in the top 10 and another with an 80 rating. This could be an indicator that the body of talent for QB in 2017 is below average.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 12, 2017 13:30:30 GMT -5
Maybe its also speaks in volumes about how the college qb selection just isn't that good. Using the QBR from ESPN as a scale of QB talent, I see that it is uncommon to have an end of the season rating below 80 in the top 10 rated QBs. This year there are 2 below 80 in the top 10 and another with an 80 rating. This could be an indicator that the body of talent for QB in 2017 is below average. From an objective viewpoint, that may be quite true. You may have a hard time coming to an accurate conclusion why.
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Post by tommygunn on Dec 13, 2017 7:26:38 GMT -5
Thank you Dude for posting what I was going to post. The qb class is subpar this year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 7:53:35 GMT -5
Using the QBR from ESPN as a scale of QB talent, I see that it is uncommon to have an end of the season rating below 80 in the top 10 rated QBs. This year there are 2 below 80 in the top 10 and another with an 80 rating. This could be an indicator that the body of talent for QB in 2017 is below average. From an objective viewpoint, that may be quite true. You may have a hard time coming to an accurate conclusion why. An accurate conclusion as to why would be that the 2017 quarterbacks did not complete the tasks measured by the QBR at a level high enough to receive a better rating. OR they did not perform to the standards of the QBR at the level of those ranked in the top 10 in recent previous seasons. Either would be an accurate conclusion.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 13, 2017 8:23:44 GMT -5
From an objective viewpoint, that may be quite true. You may have a hard time coming to an accurate conclusion why. An accurate conclusion as to why would be that the 2017 quarterbacks did not complete the tasks measured by the QBR at a level high enough to receive a better rating. OR they did not perform to the standards of the QBR at the level of those ranked in the top 10 in recent previous seasons. Either would be an accurate conclusion. There are so many immeasurables that are left out of the equation, that a concocted formula fails to quantify. To judge any particular athlete merely based on a formulated method, is an injustice to the athlete.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 13, 2017 9:43:14 GMT -5
To judge any particular athlete merely based on a formulated method, is an injustice to the athlete. Correct. It's unfair to judge JT Barrett IV on these formula's because they don't take into account that he can't throw down field. He gets credit for throwing behind the line of scrimmage and watching Paris Campbell take it to the house for a 55 yard TD. The formula then makes it look like JT Barrett is good for throwing a 55 yard TD pass when in reality JT is not good and he's lucky to be playing with such amazing receivers like Paris Campbell.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 13, 2017 10:14:53 GMT -5
Two major components of the QBR are Pass EPA and Run EPA, to go along with Sack EPA, etc. So guys that run it get credit with the Run EPA portion.
Top 7 Pass EPA QB's 110.5 Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma (12-1) 90.9 Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State (9-3) 81.0 Mike White, Western Kentucky (6-6) 79.4 Logan Woddside, Toledo (11-2) 79.3 Riley Fergusen, Memphis (10-2) 77.0 McKenzie Milton, Central Florida (12-0) 76.6 Sam Darnold, USC (11-2)
Top 7 Run EPA QB's 52.9 Lamar Jackson, Louisville (8-4) 52.5 Khalil Tate, Arizona (7-5) 45.7 Nathan Rourke, Ohio (8-4) 41.3 Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi State (8-4) 40.1 Ahmad Bradshaw, Army (9-3) 32.4 TaQuon Marshall, Georgia Tech (5-6) 30.9 Quinton Flowers, South Florida (9-2)
The top runners are successful, just not as successful as the top passers.
JT Barrett 41.7 Pass EPA (40th) 26.5 Run EPA (11th)
JT "noodle arm" Barrett 2015 14.1 Pass EPA (103rd) - bottom dweller 2016 36.1 Pass EPA (56th) - middle of the pack, but he's playing with 4 & 5 star recievers, everyone else only gets 1 star receivers 2017 41.7 Pass EPA (40th)
Baker "Heisman Winner" Mayfield 2015 73.4 Pass EPA (15th) 2016 98.9 Pass EPA (3rd) 2017 110.5 Pass EPA (1st)
Just stick JT at RB because he can't throw and he's like the 7th best RB on the team so actually just bench him. Lamar Jackson is a known runner but at least he finished 17th in Pass EPA. Hopefully Urban chooses a QB that can throw the ball next year instead of moving Mike Weber to QB to take JTs spot
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 11:31:22 GMT -5
An accurate conclusion as to why would be that the 2017 quarterbacks did not complete the tasks measured by the QBR at a level high enough to receive a better rating. OR they did not perform to the standards of the QBR at the level of those ranked in the top 10 in recent previous seasons. Either would be an accurate conclusion. There are so many immeasurables that are left out of the equation, that a concocted formula fails to quantify. To judge any particular athlete merely based on a formulated method, is an injustice to the athlete. True, but the QBR uses the same performance information for all QBs, weather you agree with the formula or not, and is considered fair and accurate in comparing them.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 13, 2017 11:47:07 GMT -5
There are so many immeasurables that are left out of the equation, that a concocted formula fails to quantify. To judge any particular athlete merely based on a formulated method, is an injustice to the athlete. True, but the QBR uses the same performance information for all QBs, weather you agree with the formula or not, and is considered fair and accurate in comparing them. Very true......I don't have any issues with the rating system. The comparisons are a relative measuring tool, as you pointed out.
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Post by cbus on Dec 13, 2017 12:24:51 GMT -5
Where does Dwayne Haskins appear using this rating system?
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 13, 2017 12:45:39 GMT -5
93.1 QBR for Dwayne Haskins 82.0 QBR for JT Barrett
To be fair teams didn't prepare to stop Haskins since he wasn't the starter.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 13, 2017 12:52:11 GMT -5
93.1 QBR for Dwayne Haskins 82.0 QBR for JT Barrett To be fair teams didn't prepare to stop Haskins since he wasn't the starter. Let's all hope Haskins has anything close or equal to J.T.'s success.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 13:02:27 GMT -5
93.1 QBR for Dwayne Haskins 82.0 QBR for JT Barrett To be fair teams didn't prepare to stop Haskins since he wasn't the starter. Let's all hope Haskins has anything close or equal to J.T.'s success. That may depend on how someone defines success.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 13, 2017 13:18:55 GMT -5
The last time Ohio State lost a game by a QB not named JT Barrett? 2013.
Ohio State under Urban Meyer 35-2 - any QB not named JT Barrett starting 37-6 - JT Barrett starting
Barrett would be 36-7 if not for Dwayne "Big Game" Haskins saving the Michigan game this year. Guiton, Miller, Jones just about any QB Ohio State has rolled out under Urban has performed better than Barrett IV.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 13, 2017 14:25:29 GMT -5
93.1 QBR for Dwayne Haskins 82.0 QBR for JT Barrett To be fair teams didn't prepare to stop Haskins since he wasn't the starter. pretty small sample size too
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 13, 2017 16:08:53 GMT -5
93.1 QBR for Dwayne Haskins 82.0 QBR for JT Barrett To be fair teams didn't prepare to stop Haskins since he wasn't the starter. pretty small sample size too My exact thoughts.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2017 16:55:41 GMT -5
93.1 QBR for Dwayne Haskins 82.0 QBR for JT Barrett To be fair teams didn't prepare to stop Haskins since he wasn't the starter. FAKE STATS by Dumbo Vogel. To really be fair AND an honest stat man, it would be noted that Haskins has a sample size of 1/24 of a season.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2017 16:58:19 GMT -5
The last time Ohio State lost a game by a QB not named JT Barrett? 2013. Ohio State under Urban Meyer 35-2 - any QB not named JT Barrett starting 37-6 - JT Barrett starting Barrett would be 36-7 if not for Dwayne "Big Game" Haskins saving the Michigan game this year. Guiton, Miller, Jones just about any QB Ohio State has rolled out under Urban has performed better than Barrett IV. "lost a game by a QB". One of the more ignorant statements in the history of ALL stat men. There are 150 players, coaches and staff on a TEAM. Dumbo Vogel is not only a FAKE stat man, he now also claims to be a gypsy card reader who can see into the future. If that's the case, why isn't he a multi Billionaire??
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 14, 2017 15:24:39 GMT -5
93.1 QBR for Dwayne Haskins 82.0 QBR for JT Barrett To be fair teams didn't prepare to stop Haskins since he wasn't the starter. FAKE STATS by Dumbo Vogel. To really be fair AND an honest stat man, it would be noted that Haskins has a sample size of 1/24 of a season. LOL fake complaint by you, he was answering a question. LOL!!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 15, 2017 0:36:17 GMT -5
FAKE STATS by Dumbo Vogel. To really be fair AND an honest stat man, it would be noted that Haskins has a sample size of 1/24 of a season. LOL fake complaint by you, he was answering a question. LOL!! Did he answer the question with the TRUTH, that Haskins has played 1/24th of a season? Anything but the truth, 100% true, is FAKE.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 15, 2017 4:57:45 GMT -5
he answered the question asked
you should change your screen name to The Onion
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Post by galion on Dec 15, 2017 4:59:39 GMT -5
He lost his onions decades ago.
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Post by tori2 on Dec 15, 2017 7:17:34 GMT -5
He just loves to rattle chains
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Post by cbus on Dec 15, 2017 7:37:25 GMT -5
93.1 QBR for Dwayne Haskins 82.0 QBR for JT Barrett To be fair teams didn't prepare to stop Haskins since he wasn't the starter. Do you have the Run and Pass EPA stats you were quoting previously or is that breakdown not available for Haskins?
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 15, 2017 8:51:50 GMT -5
93.1 QBR for Dwayne Haskins 82.0 QBR for JT Barrett To be fair teams didn't prepare to stop Haskins since he wasn't the starter. Do you have the Run and Pass EPA stats you were quoting previously or is that breakdown not available for Haskins? Here's the QBR explained www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9612585/total-quarterback-rating-college-footballI'll give you those numbers, but the calculations are not that simple. Think of the Run & Pass EPA stats in terms of 'yards' or 'TDs'. A player can be an elite runner or passer but if they only play in 4 games they will have a lower EPA ("yards") in that category. Comparing full time starters to other full time starters is much easier. As you will see below it's not so easy comparing a full time starter to a backup that plays in a few games with EPA alone since the EPA is more of a 'Total' figure Comparing full time starter to full time starter is much easier as the EPA can be thought of as 'yards', 'TDs' Haskins 6.2 Pass EPA 1.5 Run EPA -0.5 Sack EPA 0.1 Penalty EPA 7.3 Total EPA 90 Action Plays ------ 91.9 Raw QBR 93.1 Total QBR Barrett 41.7 Pass EPA 26.5 Run EPA -8.4 Sack EPA 6.4 Penalty EPA 66.3 Total EPA 550 Action Plays ----- 76.3 Raw QBR 82.0 Total QBR The QBR takes every play situation into consideration. If it's 3rd and 4 and JT Barrett throws a 5 yard completion to get the first down then that 5 yard completion is worth more than a 3rd and 20, 5 yard completion.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 15, 2017 11:58:55 GMT -5
Yawn..................
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 15, 2017 12:56:20 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to 2018 when Ohio State gets back to showing up in big games and wining like they do under Meyer with any QB that isn't #16. No more 31-0 beatings when OSU is the Vegas favorite. QB play has been holding this team back for a few years now.
I look for Tate Martell to win the QB job.
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