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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 20, 2017 15:59:04 GMT -5
Everybody has their personal preferences and opinions. The only one's that truly matter are those of the Ohio State coaching staff. They see their players daily on the practice field and in the film room. They know their players better than anyone. That would be true if OSU did not have a 100,000 plus stadium for their games and this site was not open for members, but since we have both of them, our preferences and opinions do matter. Let's not forget that JT was recruited by Tom Herman who is no longer with OSU and the level of JT's playmaking ability has diminished some from injuries. You have to admit that the top 4 QBs(3 active and a redshirt) the oldest is a running that can throw a little and the younger 3 are throwers that can run some. How a QB throws and runs is way down the list of what Meyer looks for when recruiting QBs
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 20, 2017 16:19:40 GMT -5
Because Cardale never lost bro.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 20, 2017 16:34:18 GMT -5
Because Cardale never lost bro. So sister, you're only going to speak well of a QB that NEVER loses, wins EVERY game, wins a National Championship EVERY year?? Even if that was case, how can one player be the sole reason for winning every game and a National Championship every year? There is NO freaking way that even you would give Craig Krenzel the SOLE credit for winning a National Title. His numbers were worse than JT's and Cardale's. It is very foolish put the sole blame on ONE player out of a TEAM of 150 players, coaches and staff.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 20, 2017 16:40:29 GMT -5
Hey, remember that time Cardale Jones lost when he was at Ohio State?
Neither do I.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 20, 2017 16:43:48 GMT -5
He only started 9 games. Was a goof for 4 years. Was not the starting QB for even half of a season. The ONLY reason he won 3 games at the end the 2014 season was due to being on a short leash, Zeke running for over 250 yards per game and Devin Smith catching every jump ball thrown up. A very small sample size and too much of a goof to put on a throne.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 20, 2017 16:53:19 GMT -5
He only beat Alabama and Oregon. He only went undefeated and won a National Title. Anyone here think 12 Gauge loses to Little Brother's backup QB at home in 2015?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 20, 2017 17:10:35 GMT -5
He only beat Alabama and Oregon. He only went undefeated and won a National Title. Anyone here think 12 Gauge loses to Little Brother's backup QB at home in 2015? Gypsy woman, you have no clue how many games he would have won or lost during the 2014 regular season. Your Oigee board can not tell you how many games he would have won or lost if he had been the starting QB every year of his eligibility, instead of being a goof. The TEAM only won those three game because Cardale was on a short lease. The TEAM only did that because Zeke averaged over 250 yards rushing in those games. Cardale only had 8 more yards passing than Zeke had rushing, UNHEARD of these days. If not for Devin Smith catching every jump ball Cardale threw, his completion % wouldn't have not been much higher than 50%. Cardale WAS NOT the sole reason the Ohio State TEAM won those 3 games. Quarterbacks are NEVER the sole reason a team wins a game. They're just one of 150 reasons. Football is not tennis, golf or marbles.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 21, 2017 5:38:41 GMT -5
History is a vast early warning system.
Cardale never lost. What more important stat is there?
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 21, 2017 7:19:23 GMT -5
Cardale never lost. What more important stat is there? There isn't a more important stat. Wins and losses is the only stat that matters. Cardale was 11-0 as a starter. Cardale never let the offense score 0 points either, in his 11 starts OSU scored 59, 49, 42, 42, 42, 38, 38, 38, 34, 28, 20 Cardale Jones never produced a 14 point start. JT Barrett lost OSU a possible 2015 repeat NC by doing just that vs MSU Cardale Jones never produced a 16 point start. JT Barrett did that on a National stage to embarrass the entire OSU community vs Oklahoma this year Cardale Jones never produced a 0 point start. JT Barrett did that in a Major Bowl game vs a defense that gave up 30+ on 5 occasions, including 43 to lowly Pitt, even Troy put up 24 on them, but JT could only muster 0 points.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 21, 2017 15:40:00 GMT -5
I was just talking to my buddy the other day about that time Cardale went up to Iowa City and got beat.
Wait a minute, no I wasn't. CAUSE CARDALE NEVER GOT BEAT.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 21, 2017 22:48:22 GMT -5
History is a vast early warning system. Cardale never lost. What more important stat is there? How many games did he win? Why wasn't he a starter when he was a Freshman? Why didn't he start as a Sophomore? Why didn't he start the first 12 games of his Junior year? Why did he flunk out as a starter half play the his Senior year? Something smells, like a goof ball. That's why he only started 11 games in 4 years. Since you're a gypsy card reader, tell us how many games does Cardle win IF he started another 40 games in his 4 years when he was goof ball?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 21, 2017 23:13:20 GMT -5
History is a vast early warning system. Cardale never lost. What more important stat is there? AGAIN QBs don't win games all by themselves. That is doltish In the case of a QB all they can do is throw passes, some can run. Receivers have to catch and block. O-line has to block. Running backs have to run. Kickers have to kick extra points and field goals,, Punters have to punt 50 yards when needed or drop it inside the 5 yard line on 35 yard punts. Special teams have to play special. Defensive line must rush the passer and stop the run. LBs have to make tackles, blitz and cover TEs and RBs. DBs have to cover and come up and make tackles. 10 coaches and countless grad assistants must coach. Coordinators must coordinate. Weight training and nutritional staff must have the players fit to play. Doctors and trainers must take care of injuries. Academic staff must help players with academics. The coaches must recruit players before they can practice their first day. Giving sole credit for a win to ONE individual and sole responsibility for a loss to ONE individual on a TEAM of 150 is for neophytes.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 21, 2017 23:25:09 GMT -5
Cardale never lost. What more important stat is there? There isn't a more important stat. Wins and losses is the only stat that matters. Cardale was 11-0 as a starter. Cardale never let the offense score 0 points either, in his 11 starts OSU scored 59, 49, 42, 42, 42, 38, 38, 38, 34, 28, 20 Cardale Jones never produced a 14 point start. JT Barrett lost OSU a possible 2015 repeat NC by doing just that vs MSU Cardale Jones never produced a 16 point start. JT Barrett did that on a National stage to embarrass the entire OSU community vs Oklahoma this year Cardale Jones never produced a 0 point start. JT Barrett did that in a Major Bowl game vs a defense that gave up 30+ on 5 occasions, including 43 to lowly Pitt, even Troy put up 24 on them, but JT could only muster 0 points. If the only thing that matters is wins....then why in the heck is 99.99% of your blathering FAKE STATS?? IF the only thing that matters is wins, your posts should never be more than one letter. W or L. Spare us the gibberish.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 22, 2017 8:56:32 GMT -5
W
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Post by 1percenter on Dec 22, 2017 9:18:46 GMT -5
Cardale's stats vs Alabama W
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Post by cbus on Dec 22, 2017 10:27:13 GMT -5
Why are you guys continually talking about these Ohio State QB's? We know what we have with JT-he's not an NFL QB and he has a lousy QBR compared to Mayfield. Cardale had 3 great games and has not done too well in the pros. But what you guys are really saying is one side thinks Urban made bad decisions and the other agree with Urban's decisions. So why don't you argue about whether Urban should be fired for making these bad decisions and costing Ohio St 2 playoff berths versus Urban got as much out of the Buckeyes as possible and we ended up where we should have? And as a follow up can Ohio St do better with someone else in the future?
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 22, 2017 10:37:24 GMT -5
I think urban made a bad decision sticking with JT Barrett no matter what he did. Getting suspended is not a sign of leadership. Period. If Cardale's play warranted another QB getting snaps, so did Barrett's, who had MUCH worse games than Cardale ever did.
Been a long time since Urban Legend won a big game. His lone National Title won here was with a QB he didn't even recruit. I'm not sure if that is deserving of getting fired, but when Clemson is getting a lot of laughs off your program and raiding your pantry for recruits, well that's not good for anyone.
His last employee review from Gene received a "meets expectations", which I think is about right, until this year, when he didn't meet my expectations for this team. Who goes into Iowa City and gets stomped by the Hawkeyes? When was the last time we got beat 31-0, or gave up 55 points to a Big-10 also ran, before Urban showed up? The thrill is definitely gone.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 22, 2017 11:39:23 GMT -5
I think we all know the total story on J.T.'s one night of misfortune. What is a true test of character, is how an individual reacts, adjusts their lifestyle and conducts themself afterwards. J.T. has been the team leader, no question. Armchair QB's love to offer their opinions over and over, ad nauseum. I'll trust in the coaches handling of his team and his decision making, that's what we pay him all those millions to do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 12:14:15 GMT -5
You can trust him but that doesn't mean he will not make a mistake. I can understand the JT was maybe the safe QB to put on the field but as we have seen over the years, little risk gives little reward. I will admit I was cheering for #16 every Saturday but this season as I watched the games I always felt we could be doing more down field and watching replays could see open players that were not being thrown to because our QB was thinking he could do it without throwing and risking a INT.
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Post by cbus on Dec 22, 2017 14:30:38 GMT -5
I wonder who would be on the short coaching list if OSU looked around for the 2019 season?
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 22, 2017 14:34:55 GMT -5
I wonder who would be on the short coaching list if OSU looked around for the 2019 season? I wouldn't waste my time on such nonsense.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 22, 2017 14:50:19 GMT -5
Why? Urban's history suggests it would be prudent.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 22, 2017 14:51:11 GMT -5
there is already a rumor making it's way around Columbus that Ryan Day turned down a head coaching job in the SEC because he has been promised this program when Urban steps down
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 22, 2017 19:57:15 GMT -5
Why? Urban's history suggests it would be prudent. Running out of steam trashing Barrett, now we're going to turn our hatchet on Urban Meyer next? Perpetuating stupid rumors is how it all starts.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 22, 2017 19:58:21 GMT -5
there is already a rumor making it's way around Columbus that Ryan Day turned down a head coaching job in the SEC because he has been promised this program when Urban steps down LOL.................
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 22, 2017 21:59:51 GMT -5
there is already a rumor making it's way around Columbus that Ryan Day turned down a head coaching job in the SEC because he has been promised this program when Urban steps down At this moment you proffered an untruthful statement. THE TRUTH, Day was told he would be promoted to Offensive Coordinator when Wilson gets a head coaching job after next season.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 22, 2017 22:49:26 GMT -5
I think urban made a bad decision sticking with JT Barrett no matter what he did. Getting suspended is not a sign of leadership. Period. If Cardale's play warranted another QB getting snaps, so did Barrett's, who had MUCH worse games than Cardale ever did. Been a long time since Urban Legend won a big game. His lone National Title won here was with a QB he didn't even recruit. I'm not sure if that is deserving of getting fired, but when Clemson is getting a lot of laughs off your program and raiding your pantry for recruits, well that's not good for anyone. His last employee review from Gene received a "meets expectations", which I think is about right, until this year, when he didn't meet my expectations for this team. Who goes into Iowa City and gets stomped by the Hawkeyes? When was the last time we got beat 31-0, or gave up 55 points to a Big-10 also ran, before Urban showed up? The thrill is definitely gone. Not as bad as his decision to start Cardale at QB in 2015. What is a "long time"? You've been paying taxes for a LONG TIME. Urban has been at Ohio State for 6 years. No one with a scintilla of intellect would call that a "long time". When Woody coached at the same school for 28, Bear 25, Tom Osbourne 25, Frank Beamer 28, Bobby Bowden 34 and JoePa 46. None of those coaches won a National title on the field, Urban has 3. None won a National Title in the last 4 years of their career. Urban won one 4 years ago. Michigan IS a "big game". Urban has won the Michigan game every year at Ohio State. 2012 - Urban beat #20 MSU, #21 Nebraska, #19 U of M for an undefeated season his first year at Ohio State. 2013 - Urban beat #23 Wisconsin, #16 Northwestern 2014 - Urban beat #8 MSU, #11 Wisconsin #1 Alabama and #2 Oregon for a National Title. 2015 - Urban beat #12 Michigan and #8 Notre Dame. 2016 - Urban beat #10 Oklahoma, #8 Wisconsin, #9 Nebraska, #3 Michigan 2017 - Urban beat #2 Penn State, #18 MSU, #4 Wisconsin As of TODAY, 247Sports Composite of the 2018 recruiting rankings has Ohio State at #2, Alabama at #5 and Clemson at #8.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 6:53:43 GMT -5
Lets keep Urban now that JT is leaving.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 23, 2017 7:28:27 GMT -5
Lets keep Urban now that JT is leaving. I agree. Urban's biggest career mistake was going with JT Barrett. If not for JT getting injured in 2014 Urban would have 0 NC's at Ohio State. JT cost OSU a repeat in 2015. JT cost OSU a shot at a NC in 2017. Urban should be fine now that JT can't play for OSU anymore.
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Post by cbus on Dec 23, 2017 8:24:48 GMT -5
It's hard to imagine Ohio State could find a better recruiter than Urban.
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