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Post by awebgsu on Jun 30, 2016 13:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 7:02:33 GMT -5
Years ago those same actions, if they did indeed happen, would have been said to build character or would have made you tough. Now they can get you a paycheck from a court case.
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Post by bigox on Jul 1, 2016 12:14:39 GMT -5
Have to disagree a little with you on this one scooter. Looking at the article it seems that there is a greater concern with administration and lack of follow through and in today's society of wanting retibution and action over grievances to be swift and immediate.
Did coaches cross the line? Quite possibly today's concussion protocols are loose at best with the oshaa. Read the pamplets and take the online course and your good to go. Many schools over look what should be considered concussions on uneducated merit alone. Through in a couple of upset parents and boom powder keg..
It will be interesting to see how this plays out a d who actually is right on this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 14:03:23 GMT -5
Don't misunderstand my post. I would never support anyone who mistreats a player or kid. What I am saying this lawsuit is asking for compensation. If the accusations are true I would love to see the courts force the school to change or update their policies, procedures and practices as the lawsuit asks but NOT grant any compensation.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jul 1, 2016 16:52:43 GMT -5
That is why more and more schools are takin this decision away from the coaches and hiring trainers from the hospitals. they have it that if the player can not play because of his injury the coach has to accept that decision. almost, if not all, the schools have hired their trainers from either Fisher-Titus Hospital or Firelands Hospital. I think that is a good idea so the school, coaches, and anybody else are protected. At least that's the way I fell.  |
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Post by Buckeye2b on Jul 3, 2016 13:05:13 GMT -5
As an old school guy, I learned to suck it up buttercup. Played my entire junior year with a broken bone in my wrist suffered in the first scrimmage. Long story short, it stayed broken until I had a bone graft my frosh year of college after my football season was over. I don't want any kid out there who isn't released and ready to compete, but I also know as a coach, that there are a bunch of kids who lack the toughness to work through even the slightest pain and often those are the ones you ride the hardest. They are also the ones you have to praise the hardest because you are trying to build them into football players... And some just never will be. Just glad I don't have to serve on the jury that tries this case... It would be tough.
(I have a slew of coaches to thank for the mental toughness by the way. Thank God they saved my candy *** by never letting up when it was hot, when I was crying about working hard, and being sore, and in general when practice sucked. I remember well being drug around by my face mask when I needed it, and coaches in my face making sure I got the point when It was needed too. My feelings were hurt at the time, but those same coaches treated me like their own... That's what makes a case like this so difficult to pursue or judge.)
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Post by umbrella0326 on Jul 4, 2016 11:10:48 GMT -5
From the Lima News Article - "The lawsuit included allegations of name-calling, encouragement of fighting between players, contact without proper gear, encouragement of playing with injuries, being told that “concussions don’t exist” and players being directed not to say a word about a player having a seizure during practice and that player not getting proper treatment."
Yikes.... IF all of this is true, St. Marys will settle out of court. Proving it might be a challenge, though.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jul 4, 2016 13:09:10 GMT -5
Buckeye 4be, I do have an issue over your statement that the way you or another player are treated like that just to toughen up your candy ***. No kid should ever have to through that kind of treatment. I played football from 5th.grade through high school and I or any of my tram mates where ever treated like that and I considered myself lacking character. I was the opposed, I volunteer for the 82nd.Airborne in Vietnam and a lot of my classmates you were on the team also volunteer for our country. I also coached football and I never nor did any of the other coaches treated our players this way (and we were state champs) and a lot of our players have also joined the ranks of our fighting forces. So don't tell me that coaching our kids and any other kids the way you were taught builds character. I'll take my way anytime thank you. Airborne, ALL THE WAY.  |
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Post by deathfromabove on Jul 5, 2016 12:33:03 GMT -5
I'm sorry about my last comment that I made about missing some words and phases but I was watching a ball game and typing at the same time. I guess that I can't multitasking any more. I guess that happens when you get old.
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Post by Buckeye2b on Jul 5, 2016 13:46:13 GMT -5
You're entitled to your opinion based on what I posted, but I would be willing to bet that your version of football isn't all that different from mine. I get the impression that we aren't that far apart in age. Like anything, there's a time and place...
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Post by deathfromabove on Jul 6, 2016 0:12:25 GMT -5
Buckeye2be, I highly respect your knowledge and your opinion and I too think that we are not to far off in age and I have seen both sides of this story but I still think that we don't have to be so brutal with the kids. I also think that we don't have to be so disrespectful to them by grabbing their facemask and yelling at them in their face or using that by shoving them all over the place. I have seen coaches doing this in our days. When I was coaching, yes I made the kids run or do push-ups, jumping jacks or some other way just to get my point across. Even the military has change from the ways of my father and uncles of WW2 and Korea and even my days of Vietnam. I didn't intend to be a stump thumper and I humbly apologize. Again I really respect your knowledge and your opinions and I would like to meet you one of these days and talk about our old days. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 6:49:55 GMT -5
I doubt anyone supports being brutal to kids but I think getting a paycheck because your coach called you a girl or worse is simply ridiculous
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 16:34:48 GMT -5
Think high school football coaches are verbally abusive ?, I'd bet none of those suing candy *ss punks or their mommy's and daddy's ever been in the military. I hope the judge dismisses this BS immediately, and reminds the plantiffs that participating in high school sports is still and always will be voluntary, and that they are now subjected of being arrested for contempt with this idiotic claim. Stop wasting the courts time.
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Post by gibby23 on Aug 11, 2016 5:24:24 GMT -5
markmay, Well said, I agree!
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 10, 2017 17:37:51 GMT -5
Well???
How did this finally play out? Out of court settlement?
I hate reading a story and omitting the final chapter.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 4:37:43 GMT -5
Well??? How did this finally play out? Out of court settlement? I hate reading a story and omitting the final chapter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 6:17:21 GMT -5
When I was a freshman in mid 80's we had a few coaches at g- burg who saw freshman as weak and of no consequence or help to varsity.When I was a sr, it changed same coach treated us like rock stars and was like a good friend.He was tough on us but made us tougher mentally.fast forward 2008 season my oldest son was playing a freshman game against eastwood, our son played LT for Ross freshman and prior to game We bumped into my former freshman coach who had a son of his own playing for eastwood freshman, we shook hands and told him our son played for Ross, he says his played for eastwood he tells me being tough on you guys got you ready for life. Poetic our sons played each other. We won 38 20
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