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Post by bigboy97 on Dec 5, 2017 18:33:00 GMT -5
What are the thoughts for the FC in 2018?
SP hasnt lost a league game in what like 4 years...... Losing quite a few seniors could this be a year that someone maybe has a chance? Or do they keep dominating.
Most teams are losing alot of very key seniors. Its seems the teams that were younger were Mapleton, South Central, and Plymouth played alot of young kids this season and maybe will bring back alot of experience for next season?
Western loses alot of good players.
Monroeville looses some good players but brings back the leroux brothers and the qb
Crestview loses something like 20 seniors in which probably 8-10 had been starting for the past couple years.
NL? not real sure who is coming back but they will have a new head coach unless they hire someone on staff.
Just wanted to get the talk going
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Post by gibby23 on Dec 6, 2017 6:21:39 GMT -5
From what I have heard I'm not sure the Leroux brothers will be at Monroeville next year.
SP lost some talented Seniors, and will have to break in a new QB, but the cupboard is definitely not bare.
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Post by sportsfan on Dec 6, 2017 17:00:16 GMT -5
SP - Until they don't we should just assume they wont lose a game in the FC
Western - How long will Stoll coach?
Monroeville - do not know much about them, seemed to have an up and down year in 2017
Crestview - Will be hard to bounce back losing that many seniors
NL - Wonder who the coach will be, bigger school in a small conference.
SC - alot of younger players last year
PLY/Mapleton - dont know much about either school
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Post by quasimodo on Dec 11, 2017 8:35:38 GMT -5
2018 could be an interesting year. St. Paul is at the top until someone knocks them off, but they lose a lot of key players. Mapleton brings back all Ohio quarterback and the Hartley brothers. Crestview will be interesting as they have been very good the past 2 years, but lost a lot of seniors. They have great numbers in the younger classes. South Central shows signs of improving with a young, enthusiastic coach who has laid the foundation with the spread offense. New London will have a new coach. Can they change the culture? Monroeville loses some nice seniors, but they have been pretty good the past 2 years. Plymouth has a new offense, and they showed a lot of success with it this year.
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Post by greenman on Dec 11, 2017 13:25:05 GMT -5
From what I have heard I'm not sure the Leroux brothers will be at Monroeville next year. SP lost some talented Seniors, and will have to break in a new QB, but the cupboard is definitely not bare. Leroux boys have always seemed to me to be pretty normal, steadfast Eagles. Have them in class most days - but again, I could be wrong. |
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Post by deathfromabove on Dec 11, 2017 23:16:31 GMT -5
St. Paul's always reloads and as long as J.L. is still coaching there they will always reload. Monroeville- I don't know who they have coming back except for their QB, and the Leroux brothers but you need a lot more than just 3 players to beat St. Paul's. I hope they could find them and really give St. Paul's a really good run for the title. Western- They have, just like about every other school's now these days, a lot of kids walking the halls these days. They have some big horses there but they got to get them on the field and not in the halls. South Central- They may have a lot of younger players coming back from last season but it seems to me that they been saying that for along time and they yet have broken into the upper have of the league. Maybe, JUST maybe this might be the year finally. I hope so. Plymouth and Mapleton- I really don't know much about them to really make a opinion on them. Crestview- They have lost more than what they know. It is very hard in a small high school to replace experience players if you don't have that same kind of experience backing them up. I might be wrong about this but I just don't remember seeing or hearing that their reserves got in much playing time on Friday nights. New London- Where are the days of Paul Nestor. Those days Coach Nestor had those sidelines filled with players. And they were the ones along with St. Paul's that was always battling for the F.C. crown. Now you can see the benches behind the players and you can count the number of fans in the stands on both hands. Where has New London's glory days have gone. Better yet will they ever get them back?  Well, There is my take on the conference for next year. Now throw all your sticks and stones at me I can take it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 13:34:29 GMT -5
St. Paul will continue to roll until someone has the physicality and horses to match them.
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Post by sportsfan on Jan 10, 2018 16:19:15 GMT -5
Anyone heard anything out of New London on who the head coach is going to be?
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Post by galion on Jan 10, 2018 16:29:17 GMT -5
St. Paul will continue to roll until someone has the physicality and horses to match them. That's unlikely so long as they are picking their horses from a population base 10 times the size of the rest of the teams in their conference. |
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Post by quasimodo on Jan 10, 2018 21:20:57 GMT -5
St. Paul played 7 offensive linemen this year and 5 weighed between 165 and 185 pounds. Zero division one players in the last 40 years. They must not be real good at picking the.
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Post by footballfan99 on Jan 11, 2018 8:29:52 GMT -5
St. Paul played 7 offensive linemen this year and 5 weighed between 165 and 185 pounds. Zero division one players in the last 40 years. They must not be real good at picking the. Not to mention the 130 pound starting linebacker. Loved watching that scrappy kid play. |
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 11, 2018 17:36:17 GMT -5
Just saw JL today and I asked him how the team will look next year and said it's tough to lose all those seniors but they should be alright for next year. When I said that he will be doing alright cause he just keeps reloading. You should of seen that sneaky grin of his after I said that. Watch out everybody, when he gives that grin he has something up his sleeve.  |
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Post by gibby23 on Jan 12, 2018 13:02:33 GMT -5
Death, I talked to Coach Livengood about three weeks ago, and he gave me the same response he gave you. I don't know how he takes 160 to 180 pound lineman and 130-160 pound linebackers and wins year after year. The man can Coach. St. Paul is lucky to have had him all these years.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 12, 2018 23:43:44 GMT -5
Death, I talked to Coach Livengood about three weeks ago, and he gave me the same response he gave you. I don't know how he takes 160 to 180 pound lineman and 130-160 pound linebackers and wins year after year. The man can Coach. St. Paul is lucky to have had him all these years. St. Paul's is very lucky to have him. Yes he can coach but his greatest assents are his Asst. Coaches. John can pick the right people to help him teach these kids their positions and do it right. He also goes out and see how the jr. hi. and the jr. flyers (5th. and 6th. grades) are progressing and if the coaches are teaching them the proper way of blocking and tackling. They even run the same basic plays as the high school team does so when they do get up to the varsity team does that way everything is second nature to them. That is why they haven't had a losing season since maybe the early 90's I think. I do believe John has been coaching there for 27 years and out of that I think he has only 1 year of a losing season. Not bad, not bad at all. |
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Post by galion on Jan 13, 2018 5:36:01 GMT -5
St. Paul played 7 offensive linemen this year and 5 weighed between 165 and 185 pounds. Zero division one players in the last 40 years. They must not be real good at picking the. They are in a conference full of average and below average d6 and 7 teams. They don't need anymore than that if they are decent athletes. |
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Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 11:07:36 GMT -5
St. Paul played 7 offensive linemen this year and 5 weighed between 165 and 185 pounds. Zero division one players in the last 40 years. They must not be real good at picking the. They are in a conference full of average and below average d6 and 7 teams. They don't need anymore than that if they are decent athletes. Even including "average" when describing most of the FC is a little generous. |
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Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 11:09:45 GMT -5
From what I have heard I'm not sure the Leroux brothers will be at Monroeville next year. Coming back from winter break, I learned from the kids that you're right about this. From what I heard, they'll likely jump ship for Norwalk as soon as wrestling's over. |
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 13, 2018 16:13:50 GMT -5
St. Paul played 7 offensive linemen this year and 5 weighed between 165 and 185 pounds. Zero division one players in the last 40 years. They must not be real good at picking the. They are in a conference full of average and below average d6 and 7 teams. They don't need anymore than that if they are decent athletes. Galion, Firelands maybe average or even below that but St. Paul's does go out and play schools on their OOC teams like Huron, Elyria Catholic and other teams that are bigger and usually stronger with more kids then they are but that only makes them better in the longer run with the playoffs. These kids know what their jobs are and they play like it to. These kids most of them go on to play either D-3 or D-2 college football and the collages here in Ohio go out looking for a St. Paul's player even at that size. They play hard nose football like a Pittsburg Steeler's player. When I coached for St. Paul's and JL I had a kid whose last name was Rhodes, Jacob Rhodes, and he blocked and tackle like I taught him to by keeping his head up and go right though the player like he's blocking or tackling on his back. Every time he pancaked his opponent while blocking him that kid would go flying backwards and we yelled out that the kid was Rhode killed. It doesn't matter that our kids were 25 to 75 pounds lighter they had the right technics and the HEART to GET UR DONE. |
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 13, 2018 16:19:34 GMT -5
From what I have heard I'm not sure the Leroux brothers will be at Monroeville next year. Coming back from winter break, I learned from the kids that you're right about this. From what I heard, they'll likely jump ship for Norwalk as soon as wrestling's over. Greenman, if your right about this than Norwalk is getting 2 very good players for football. I coached the oldest and tallest one in football for the Jr.Truckers and he can be a beast to handle. He will open some big holes on that line. |
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Post by galion on Jan 13, 2018 18:11:43 GMT -5
They are in a conference full of average and below average d6 and 7 teams. They don't need anymore than that if they are decent athletes. Galion, Firelands maybe average or even below that but St. Paul's does go out and play schools on their OOC teams like Huron, Elyria Catholic and other teams that are bigger and usually stronger with more kids then they are but that only makes them better in the longer run with the playoffs. These kids know what their jobs are and they play like it to. These kids most of them go on to play either D-3 or D-2 college football and the collages here in Ohio go out looking for a St. Paul's player even at that size. They play hard nose football like a Pittsburg Steeler's player. When I coached for St. Paul's and JL I had a kid whose last name was Rhodes, Jacob Rhodes, and he blocked and tackle like I taught him to by keeping his head up and go right though the player like he's blocking or tackling on his back. Every time he pancaked his opponent while blocking him that kid would go flying backwards and we yelled out that the kid was Rhode killed. It doesn't matter that our kids were 25 to 75 pounds lighter they had the right technics and the HEART to GET UR DONE. The topic of the thread was conference specific, so those are the teams that I thought we were discussing. NSP's ooc opponents have no bearing on who wins the Firelands. Much like Wynford's ooc opponents have no bearing on who wins the N10. |
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 13, 2018 18:48:46 GMT -5
Galion, You are right the topic was about the Firelands Conference, but also some people on here was also asking how St. Paul's can do it with lineman that average weight is 165# to 186# and you responded to them on how the conference is full of average or below d-6 and d-7 schools that they don't need anymore than that if they have decent players. What I am saying is that because they are small on their weight with the teams that they use to play being above average is one of the reasons nobody in this conference can beat them and some of the schools in the conference weigh more than St. Paul's and that is also on how St. Paul's teaches their players and before anybody say's it they don't need to go out and recruit their players. Just like was said in Field of Dreams, you build it, they will come. Now that is why I responded on your comment. Play your above average OOC teams and you will beat your average or below average teams in your conference.  |
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 13, 2018 18:57:05 GMT -5
Galion, I also believe that the way your tigers have been playing the last couple of years, St. Paul's would probably would have beaten you. And you guys are what D-4 where St. Paul is D-7. That's just my opinion I don't care what you might think of it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 18:59:40 GMT -5
Didn’t realize that Saint Paul’s is a pipeline to small collEge football in Ohio
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 13, 2018 19:30:03 GMT -5
Didn’t realize that Saint Paul’s is a pipeline to small collEge football in Ohio Hoss, it has been for along time since maybe the 60's but St. Paul's has have players recently when Dan Pugh was looked at by Mt. Union in the 90's. We have had players played for D-3 Hiram, Heidelberg, Ohio Northern, Capital, John Carroll, and more in D-3. And in D-2 Ashland, Findlay, and Walsh. There are maybe some more but I can't remember them. If you can get the Norwalk paper on line or deliver than every spring you will see the names and pict's of the players signing to play at these college's. It is a good testament to JL's program. |
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Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 21:04:38 GMT -5
They are in a conference full of average and below average d6 and 7 teams. They don't need anymore than that if they are decent athletes. ...but St. Paul's does go out and play schools on their OOC teams like Huron, Elyria Catholic and other teams that are bigger and usually stronger with more kids... I've wanted a reason to be less impressed by NSP the last two years. Couldn't find it. They last played Huron in 2015, and ended up having dropped 5 straight to the Tigers, after winning the first 3 rounds. As for EC, I don't know for sure when they started playing, but Flyers beat them last in '04 and dropped the next three until SP picked up Huron. The problem at NSP is that they're back in their comfort zone w/ SMCC, SJCC, and Calvert. Out of the three, I believe that only one of these programs will ever pick up a win over NSP again, at least until JL retires, if not EVER AGAIN. In the FC, Flyers are giants among gerbils. |
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Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 21:07:18 GMT -5
Coming back from winter break, I learned from the kids that you're right about this. From what I heard, they'll likely jump ship for Norwalk as soon as wrestling's over. Greenman, if your right about this than Norwalk is getting 2 very good players for football. I coached the oldest and tallest one in football for the Jr.Truckers and he can be a beast to handle. He will open some big holes on that line. It seems that this will be the case. Sophs @ M'ville pretty much confirmed that the two had been talking about it before Christmas break. They say they'll likely wait until the end of wrestling season, which I'm sure thrilled Coach Tommas, besides everyone else. |
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 14, 2018 13:30:58 GMT -5
...but St. Paul's does go out and play schools on their OOC teams like Huron, Elyria Catholic and other teams that are bigger and usually stronger with more kids... I've wanted a reason to be less impressed by NSP the last two years. Couldn't find it. They last played Huron in 2015, and ended up having dropped 5 straight to the Tigers, after winning the first 3 rounds. As for EC, I don't know for sure when they started playing, but Flyers beat them last in '04 and dropped the next three until SP picked up Huron. The problem at NSP is that they're back in their comfort zone w/ SMCC, SJCC, and Calvert. Out of the three, I believe that only one of these programs will ever pick up a win over NSP again, at least until JL retires, if not EVER AGAIN. In the FC, Flyers are giants among gerbils. Greenman, I could have sworn that St. Paul's had a 4 year contract with Huron and St. Paul's beat them 3 out of 4 times. I know St. Paul's beat them during my oldest sons days when he was a sophomore, junior, and his senior years. That would be 2007, 2008, and 2009, their state champion year. After he graduate they lost to Huron and then Huron dropped them, that part I was told so I can't prove that part. But I think St. Paul played Elyria Catholic and won 2 out of 4 times with them. I know the last time they played them was my sons junior year and lost to them barely but won 2 games before that and lost the first time they played them. The one who would know all of this will be Scott T. he was announcing these games and his memory is better than mine. As for playing St. Mary's, that there is a traditional game, first one of the year, for along time. As for St. Joe's and Calvert, I do believe the bishop wanted to have all the catholic schools play each other during non conference games. But I think that might be change in that regards. |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jan 14, 2018 14:06:19 GMT -5
St Paul-Huron 2008-2015 results:
2015 Huron 7-6
2014 Huron 14-7
2013 Huron 48-14
2012 Huron 48-12
2011 Huron 38-0
2010 St Paul 43-25
2019 St Paul 42-3
2008 St Paul 21-14
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jan 14, 2018 14:13:09 GMT -5
St Paul-Elyria Catholic 2002-2007 results:
2007 Elyria Catholic 22-14
2006 Elyria Catholic 23-12
2005 Elyria Catholic 33-7
2004 St Paul 46-16
2003 St Paul 40-0
2002 St Paul 31-28 (OT)
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 14, 2018 15:50:23 GMT -5
Thank you BB, With the Huron games I knew about the first 4 years because my oldest son was playing till he graduate in 2010 but after that 2012 - 2015, I did not know about those years since my youngest was playing for and I was coaching for Norwalk. On the Elyria Catholic, I knew we were even with them in the series but I forgot that it was a 6 game series instead of 4. My apologies again to you Greenman on the Huron games. I did not know they continued to play after 2010 but at least I was right, kind of, on the Elyria Catholic games being tied. One of these days I might get you on one. Oh if you are reading this Scott, thanks anyway but BB beat you to the punch on this one. Talk with you later old friend. |
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