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Post by 1percenter on Dec 7, 2017 10:41:27 GMT -5
List them as you hear them.
The first domino is Sashi Brown who was fired today.
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Post by heresjim on Dec 7, 2017 11:38:42 GMT -5
List them as you hear them. The first domino is Sashi Brown who was fired today. Reports are that Hue Jackson will stay for 2018(confirmed by Haslem). We are looking at Dorsey(from the chiefs) as our gm. All I have to say is that Hue better go to the playoffs next year or I'm going to be taking a long break from this.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 7, 2017 13:14:49 GMT -5
List them as you hear them. The first domino is Sashi Brown who was fired today.
Thank you Carson Wentz!
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Post by 4 on Dec 7, 2017 16:41:29 GMT -5
I’m hoping Dorsey is hired.
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Post by tommygunn on Dec 7, 2017 19:01:34 GMT -5
Over under wins in 2018, I will start at 4, over or under this?
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 7, 2017 19:18:27 GMT -5
man i would have made the over/under 2.5 lol
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Post by CEOSouth on Dec 8, 2017 14:13:26 GMT -5
I’m ok with Dorsey.
However, if I had to choose one to fire, it would’ve been Jackson before Sashi.
I don’t blame them for not drafting Wentz....build your team first, then get your QB. I highly doubt, had we taken Wentz, he would be anywhere near as good as he is today.
With Wentz or Watson, we’re still probably only a 4-5 win team anyways, and I guaranteee there would be a lot of people calling for Wentz/Watson to be benched.
Lot of hate for Sashi out there right now, but personally I think his career in Cleveland was a success. Theres a few reasons they filled the vacancy so fast, and one of them is the state Sashi left the front office in. Big cap money, excess draft capital and not having a mediocre QB getting paid elite money. Great starting hand. Terrible starting city
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Post by galion on Dec 8, 2017 15:00:30 GMT -5
Cap money means very little when nobody wants to play for you. You are going to have to drastically overpay for any free agent to come play for you. Also, you don't even have a mediocre qb on the roster to pay elite money. Sure there are a lot of draft picks. But those only matter IF you hit on them. The main reason that the vacancy was filled so fast is because this is the NFL and there are only 32 of those jobs in the world.
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Post by CEOSouth on Dec 8, 2017 15:03:25 GMT -5
Cap money means very little when nobody wants to play for you. You are going to have to drastically overpay for any free agent to come play for you. Also, you don't even have a mediocre qb on the roster to pay elite money. Sure there are a lot of draft picks. But those only matter IF you hit on them. The main reason that the vacancy was filled so fast is because this is the NFL and there are only 32 of those jobs in the world. Your second sentence contradicts your first 5 words.
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Post by galion on Dec 8, 2017 15:17:12 GMT -5
No, it doesn't. If nobody WANTS to come there then you need to to drastically overcompensate them to get them to.
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Post by CEOSouth on Dec 8, 2017 15:54:50 GMT -5
No, it doesn't. If nobody WANTS to come there then you need to to drastically overcompensate them to get them to. What are you planning to ‘overcompensate’ them with? Losses? Cold weather? To say ‘cap room means very little’ and then immediately say you would need to ‘overcompensate’ to get anyone here boggles the mind. But doesn’t boggle the mind as much as saying you don’t see how this two statements are at odds with each other.
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Post by galion on Dec 8, 2017 16:14:47 GMT -5
How does cap space help you when you are going to have to pay lower tier free agents top tier money to come play for you? Obviously the most sought after free agents will go elsewhere. If you aren't using the space to sign impact players then what good is it doing you? If you are going to eat more Brock Osweiller contracts or sign more Brittons to your roster have you gotten any better? I'm fairly certain that you understand my point.
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Post by CEOSouth on Dec 8, 2017 16:28:56 GMT -5
How does cap space help you when you are going to have to pay lower tier free agents top tier money to come play for you? ... I'm at a loss for words.
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Post by clb6110 on Dec 8, 2017 16:38:45 GMT -5
The fact he cut Kenny Britt already makes him good so far.
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Post by mcm1019 on Dec 8, 2017 16:49:54 GMT -5
+1
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Post by CEOSouth on Dec 8, 2017 16:59:47 GMT -5
Nonetheless, I'm fairly confident you are going to have a hard time finding people who agree with you that "Cap room means very little". Flexibility is an asset, certainly on a rebuild, especially to anyone coming into a new front office job.
There are no ridiculous veteran contracts. The roster is young. The draft capital is insane. Decent fan base.
Why else would someone like Dorsey, a guy who spent 12 years in GB and 4 in KC, want to come to a place where there has been 4 different General Managers in the last 6 years?
The answer is, 'because of what Sashi set up'.
Given how toxic and career ending taking a front office job in Cleveland might appear currently, I'm happy we got got someone that appears half way decent like Dorsey. With that being said, I would've fired Jackson instead.
When someone says "I'm not swimming in that lake", I tend to believe that he will, in fact, be swimming in that lake.
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Post by galion on Dec 8, 2017 17:13:07 GMT -5
How does cap space help you when you are going to have to pay lower tier free agents top tier money to come play for you? ... I'm at a loss for words. How hard is it to understand? Cap space only matters if it turns into high impact, productive players. Draft picks only matter if they turn into capable NFL players. The Browns have been drafting players and signing free agents every year just like every other team. The results speak for themselves.
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Post by galion on Dec 8, 2017 17:19:27 GMT -5
Nonetheless, I'm fairly confident you are going to have a hard time finding people who agree with you that "Cap room means very little". Flexibility is an asset, certainly on a rebuild, especially to anyone coming into a new front office job. There are no ridiculous veteran contracts. The roster is young. The draft capital is insane. Decent fan base. Why else would someone like Dorsey, a guy who spent 12 years in GB and 4 in KC, want to come to a place where there has been 4 different General Managers in the last 6 years? The answer is, 'because of what Sashi set up'. Given how toxic and career ending taking a front office job in Cleveland might appear currently, I'm happy we got got someone that appears half way decent like Dorsey. With that being said, I would've fired Jackson instead. When someone says "I'm not swimming in that lake", I tend to believe that he will, in fact, be swimming in that lake. If I had a nickle for every time one of these Browns front office overhauls was going to turn things around. I still remember all of the excitement when Haslem bought the team. After all he would change the direction and it had to get better since he was a minority owner in Pittsburgh. Now he hired this Dorsey guy who worked for GB and KC. This is going to make all of the difference.
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Post by CEOSouth on Dec 8, 2017 17:21:15 GMT -5
... I'm at a loss for words. How hard is it to understand? Cap space only matters if it turns into high impact, productive players. Draft picks only matter if they turn into capable NFL players. The Browns have been drafting players and signing free agents every year just like every other team. The results speak for themselves. It’s almost like you’re running circles around yourself. Congrats.
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Post by CEOSouth on Dec 8, 2017 17:25:40 GMT -5
Nonetheless, I'm fairly confident you are going to have a hard time finding people who agree with you that "Cap room means very little". Flexibility is an asset, certainly on a rebuild, especially to anyone coming into a new front office job. There are no ridiculous veteran contracts. The roster is young. The draft capital is insane. Decent fan base. Why else would someone like Dorsey, a guy who spent 12 years in GB and 4 in KC, want to come to a place where there has been 4 different General Managers in the last 6 years? The answer is, 'because of what Sashi set up'. Given how toxic and career ending taking a front office job in Cleveland might appear currently, I'm happy we got got someone that appears half way decent like Dorsey. With that being said, I would've fired Jackson instead. When someone says "I'm not swimming in that lake", I tend to believe that he will, in fact, be swimming in that lake. If I had a nickle for every time one of these Browns front office overhauls was going to turn things around. I still remember all of the excitement when Haslem bought the team. After all he would change the direction and it had to get better since he was a minority owner in Pittsburgh. Now he hired this Dorsey guy who worked for GB and KC. This is going to make all of the difference. So you’re upset because they hire people that are optimistic ? Maybe we should go the doom and gloom route and just be upfront with ourselves?
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Post by galion on Dec 8, 2017 17:35:29 GMT -5
I'm not upset. It's really not that complicated. Cap space and draft picks don't win games. Players win games. Show me the roster that you are going to create with that cap space those draft picks and then I'll get excited for you. Also, keep in mind that either after this season or after next season you WILL be overhauling your coaching staff again because regardless of what is being said now Dorsey doesn't take this job without eventually bringing in his guy(whoever that ends up being).
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Post by CEOSouth on Dec 8, 2017 23:13:35 GMT -5
Cap space and draft picks don't win games. Players win games. Ground breaking stuff. Maybe you should apply? Although, I do wonder, if ‘cap space means very little’ and ‘draft picks don’t win games’, where are you going to get your players from? The current roster? Pfft. Don’t get me wrong, I like some of the young players on this team, but if they want to win more games they’re going to have to get a QB early in the /gasp draft. Either that or they’re going to have to trade for a veteran QB to win games... granted they have(they do) enough room under the /gasp cap for the larger contract that’ll come with a legit veteran. Maybe iron that out before the interview?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 9, 2017 1:30:02 GMT -5
Cap money means very little when nobody wants to play for you. You are going to have to drastically overpay for any free agent to come play for you. Also, you don't even have a mediocre qb on the roster to pay elite money. Sure there are a lot of draft picks. But those only matter IF you hit on them. The main reason that the vacancy was filled so fast is because this is the NFL and there are only 32 of those jobs in the world. I bet in Dorsey's career as a GM he's never had 2 first round picks, 3 second round picks and 8 in the first 4 rounds. Sashi messing up the paper work in getting AJ McCarren was the last straw. Analytics don't help in leaning and remembering the small details an experienced old school GM automatically knows how to do. It has been some time since Hue Jackson and Sashi have spoken to each other. That HAD to be fixed before the draft.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 9, 2017 19:24:33 GMT -5
drafting Travis Kelce is better than anything this franchise has done since it's re-inception
we could have done worse
should walk out of the draft next year with no less than 6 starters, and i hope the kid from Missouri comes out yessir, SHOW ME something
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Post by CEOSouth on Dec 9, 2017 22:14:40 GMT -5
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 10, 2017 7:56:36 GMT -5
One aspect that is more and more obvious to me is that playing in the NFL is about as life/health threatening as a career can be. It's way more of a business than a sport. I think you'll see more players have the attitude of best money, regardless of city. With what just happened to Ryan Shazier --spinal fusion--and playing career over----get in get out with as much as I can get is gonna be a lot of players mindsets I think going forward. I really wonder how important going to a "winning franchise" is?
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Post by misterbreeze on Dec 10, 2017 10:29:45 GMT -5
The Browns have over 20 people with "scout" in their job title, five strategists, two research analysts, and two VPs in their player personnel dept.They aren't all stats geeks that lack football knowledge. They have invested in a defined process to make solid, information-based, decisions on personnel. Yet they still made serious mistakes in the draft and in free agency. Was Sashi ignoring recommendations from his player personnel dept or were the recommendations off, indicating a problem in the process? No one but Sashi has been fired. It will be interesting to see how Dorsey uses the process.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 10, 2017 11:58:57 GMT -5
One aspect that is more and more obvious to me is that playing in the NFL is about as life/health threatening as a career can be. It's way more of a business than a sport. I think you'll see more players have the attitude of best money, regardless of city. With what just happened to Ryan Shazier --spinal fusion--and playing career over----get in get out with as much as I can get is gonna be a lot of players mindsets I think going forward. I really wonder how important going to a "winning franchise" is? the NFL is dying, imho it has already peaked this is Soccer's best chance to make a move into the Big-3 mainstream sports, as the head traumas mount and the NFL slowly dies there are already a LOT of parents who aren't going to let their children play football in any way, shape, or form
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 10, 2017 15:16:53 GMT -5
Browns come out today and make a statement for their coach.
Don't look now, but if Gordon stays sober, and Coleman pans out, Njoku is a stud, and so are Duke and Crowell, when they aren't running behind a sieve. Solidify the line, hope Kizer pans out or get a QB in the draft, the Browns have something going there.
We hit on Garrett, imho, as long as he is healthy. He is very disruptive, and we have the makings of a good defense. Look around the division. Dalton is a bum. Roethlisberger and Flacco are getting long in the tooth.
I'm going to call it right here, the Browns are a sleeping Giant. If they get a QB in the draft, or if they already have on in Kizer, this draft could give them the AFC Central for the next 8-10 years. It's all right there in front of them. They have some pieces. Heck, rent Alex Smith for a year. Groom the kid from Mizzou. Put together a 6-10 season and build on that. In 3 years that division could be their oyster.
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Post by galion on Dec 10, 2017 18:11:24 GMT -5
Did I miss something? When did they legalize marijuana in Ohio?
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