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Post by moneyball on Dec 19, 2017 13:30:47 GMT -5
At the last Willard school board meeting a parent got up and spoke about a Willard middle school teacher sending South Central an e-mail on a student transferring there from Willard. In the e-mail that the parent read it was obvious that the teacher was acting in a manner to destroy the child's reputation because the letter stated he was the biggest bully he has ever been around, could not get along with his teammates, been in trouble for years and he will be good for a few weeks and will turn right back into a bad kid. What does everyone think about a teacher going out of their way to send an e-mail to another school like this? In the letter the parent read it stated the kid is the best athlete in 7th grade hands down. The parents have had multiple issues with teacher's bullying this kid but this teacher turned it around on this kid and made it seem like the kid was the bully. There was a little blurb in the Willard Times this week about a parent speaking at the school board but they did not specify the details, above are the details.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 13:48:51 GMT -5
Month off without pay.
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Post by tommygunn on Dec 19, 2017 20:55:08 GMT -5
If it’s true then it’s true.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 19, 2017 22:36:07 GMT -5
I've never heard of a bully teacher. I've heard about 1000's of bully students.
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Post by moneyball on Dec 20, 2017 7:43:56 GMT -5
I've never heard of a bully teacher. I've heard about 1000's of bully students. Well you have now because he was reprimanded for it. The fact is there are bully students and there are bully teachers. IMO, the intent of this teacher was to do harm to the student's reputation and whether it is true or not he had no right to send an e-mail to the other school stating some facts but also his opinion of the student, it had malicious intent. There are teachers in the school with this kind of history and it should be addressed. I'm not saying the kid did not have problems, what I'm saying is the act that the teacher took spoils it for some really good teachers in the school system because they all look bad when one teacher can't control their actions and be professional.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 7:55:04 GMT -5
You can find a bully almost anywhere. Even on sports talk sites who insult and try to intimidate others constantly. Regardless of this kids past and or potential future, the teacher was wrong and should be disciplined for the actions. IMO
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Post by dumpp on Dec 20, 2017 8:14:39 GMT -5
Couldn’t this thread be considered bullying? Moneyball out here doing exactly what he’s complaining about.
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Post by moneyball on Dec 20, 2017 9:46:55 GMT -5
Couldn’t this thread be considered bullying? Moneyball out here doing exactly what he’s complaining about. This isn't the intent. My hope is that people see this thread and understand that a majority of the teachers are getting a bad rap in our school and it is not fair, they are great teachers. We have some great teachers in our school and it is overshadowed with garbage like this in our schools. You weed out the bad and address the issues with those specific kids and teachers. That's the message dumpp!
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Post by galion on Dec 21, 2017 5:01:58 GMT -5
Just to play devil's advocate for a second. If a "problem" student in your district is moving or transferring someplace else do you have any responsibility to warn them of potential problems? I can see the point about "destroying the kid's rep" before he gets there. But what about the kids and faculty at SC? Don't they deserve a heads up?
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Post by moneyball on Dec 21, 2017 8:00:22 GMT -5
Just to play devil's advocate for a second. If a "problem" student in your district is moving or transferring someplace else do you have any responsibility to warn them of potential problems? I can see the point about "destroying the kid's rep" before he gets there. But what about the kids and faculty at SC? Don't they deserve a heads up? Interesting. If a kid is transferring to another school his transcripts are sent along to the incoming school. It is not a single teacher's responsibility to let the school know and add his personal opinion to the situation. The fact that he was disciplined shows that he broke the rules so there is no excusing his actions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 8:11:50 GMT -5
Just to play devil's advocate for a second. If a "problem" student in your district is moving or transferring someplace else do you have any responsibility to warn them of potential problems? I can see the point about "destroying the kid's rep" before he gets there. But what about the kids and faculty at SC? Don't they deserve a heads up? If they do, it should be thru official files and documents. Not by some angry teacher sending a personal email and ranting about the kids attitude and sports teams.
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Post by galion on Dec 21, 2017 9:14:47 GMT -5
I thought transcripts were just courses and grades. I've seen my daughters' before when they were applying to colleges and that's all that were in there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 9:30:10 GMT -5
Every student has an official "file". It may be a folder, it may be notes or it may be on a computer but all schools have records and reports of student's activities. If there is a way to transfer this "file" or information to a school when a kid changes, I think it should be thru those official documents. Not some upset teacher, possibly with a grudge, sending an email. If I was the school on the receiving side of the student would you value a report from the administration office more or an email from an angry teacher talking about how little johnny is a bad teammate?
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Post by moneyball on Dec 21, 2017 10:02:18 GMT -5
Every student has an official "file". It may be a folder, it may be notes or it may be on a computer but all schools have records and reports of student's activities. If there is a way to transfer this "file" or information to a school when a kid changes, I think it should be thru those official documents. Not some upset teacher, possibly with a grudge, sending an email. If I was the school on the receiving side of the student would you value a report from the administration office more or an email from an angry teacher talking about how little johnny is a bad teammate? This is exactly why the teacher/coach was disciplined because he broke state code. Based on what the parent said they would have never found out about this had a teacher not said the e-mail we got doesn't fit. There is an underlying issue here with this teacher/coach. If it were his first time getting out of line I would say he can learn from this, but he has a history of this and obviously the discipline he is getting isn't fixing the problem.
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Post by deathfromabove on Dec 22, 2017 10:50:02 GMT -5
Just to play devil's advocate for a second. If a "problem" student in your district is moving or transferring someplace else do you have any responsibility to warn them of potential problems? I can see the point about "destroying the kid's rep" before he gets there. But what about the kids and faculty at SC? Don't they deserve a heads up? If they do, it should be thru official files and documents. Not by some angry teacher sending a personal email and ranting about the kids attitude and sports teams. Dude and moneyball have this issue correct. Everything about this student is in his transcript. That responsibility is up to the principle and only that person, I believe. That teacher, if he truly did it, should be reprimanded and that also will be put in his file and will go where ever he goes to teach. Please some teachers come on here and give us your opinion on this and tell us or me if this is correct or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 11:34:54 GMT -5
I'm curious to know what this teacher coaches?
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Post by picabo on Dec 22, 2017 13:11:06 GMT -5
In my opinion, the teacher should not have initiated the comments. It sounds as if this student could have benefited from a fresh start.
On occasions, when a school gets a new student, they may reach out to the previous school for more details or clarification. That information is usually in regards to an education plan, a behavior plan, attendance history, state / district test results, or other information included in their official file. And at those times, it is almost always the office staff (secretary, principal, or guidance counselor) that will contact the other school.
Rarely, do teachers reach out to other teachers from district to district. When they do, it is usually to establish a pattern (learning / behavior). Conversations may include a teacher attempting to find out what strategies worked and didn't work - so they don't have to start all over if there is a suspected problem.
In this age of social media, it is very important that educators exercise common sense and good judgement when commenting on students or families. Email and written communications are subject to public records requests. There is very little that lawyers and unions can do to protect a teacher who makes such judgements in error. Depending on the nature of the offense, consequences can range from written/verbal reprimands, to unpaid suspensions, to termination.
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Post by jakemak25 on Dec 22, 2017 13:35:08 GMT -5
This issue really concerns me. I mean with all the school shootings going on in America, one would think a teacher wouldn't try to provoke a reaction from a student. Kids now days will shoot a teacher, classmates, cops....etc. The teacher should be fired for being an idiot (they won't bc the teachers union will protect them and their job) and the school board needs to apologize to the student/parents. Willard is on the cusp of a major problem if all this bullying crap keeps up. All it takes is one kid and one gun and FOX 8 news will be back here doing interviews. A kid shot his mom a couple years ago, a lady got shot and killed at Family Dollar...I mean this does happen in Willard.
Please note: I'm not promoting such actions, I'm just statistically saying the odds increase with each incident....
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Post by picabo on Dec 22, 2017 13:58:02 GMT -5
As an OEA rep once stated, the union is there to protect the contract, not necessarily the teacher. If a district documents a history of violations and follows the proper chain of punishments & notifications, than a teacher can be terminated with just cause. Too many times districts do not complete the necessary paperwork/notification, and that is when it becomes difficult to terminate. Most "good" teachers do not want "bad" teachers protected. 1. The public tends to lump all teachers together, so those "bad" teachers make all teacher look poor. 2. "Good" teachers have enough work to do - they do not want to have to pick up the slack, or answer for "bad" teachers.
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Post by moneyball on Dec 22, 2017 16:40:40 GMT -5
I'm curious to know what this teacher coaches? MS Football
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Post by deathfromabove on Dec 22, 2017 17:30:58 GMT -5
Thank you picabo, I was hoping you would read this and help out with the clarification of this incident. I knew some of this but not all the procedures or law of it. Thanks again picabo.
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Post by willardfan1 on Dec 22, 2017 22:58:10 GMT -5
Well first off all maybe some of you should get your story straight! He didn't just email this SC teacher out of no where. He got an email form a teacher at SC asking what he knew about the kid and such. Had a lot of positives to say about the kid because there is a lot of positives to say about him athletically. But he has a lot of maturing still to do. Now I know it's a middle school child and all middle schoolers need to mature still but this one was as bad as they come and did not jsut have problems with this one teacher! Every faculty member/coach he came in contact too he had issues with. I have seen kindergarteners respect adults and behave better than this kid.O
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 0:08:19 GMT -5
So why did the teacher get disciplined then? Just because he says the kid is a good athlete it makes it okay?
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Post by willardfan1 on Dec 23, 2017 13:07:38 GMT -5
Did not say that at all. But most of you on here think that he just sent this email to this SC teacher out of no where which is not what happened at all! Give it a few months and he will be the same tortuous kid that he was at willard
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Post by picabo on Dec 23, 2017 13:58:59 GMT -5
I'm curious, how did the parents find out about the email? Did the SC teacher share it with the student's parents?
Even if a teacher from another school reaches out first, I have always been told by administrators and OEA contacts that such communications should not be handled with email. One, you cannot read tone from email, and it is much easier to explain orally than to write a comment that can be misinterpreted. Two, the public records request. And just because you delete an email - it is not gone.
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Post by willardfan1 on Dec 23, 2017 17:09:31 GMT -5
I believe as soon as he put the word bully in the email that that word is flagged and then the email was then sent straight to the superintendent and the tech coordinator so that's how everyone found out and then I think they notified the parents about the situation and how they handled it by disciplining the teacher and him getting written up in his file.
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Post by deathfromabove on Dec 23, 2017 20:08:12 GMT -5
Well first off all maybe some of you should get your story straight! He didn't just email this SC teacher out of no where. He got an email form a teacher at SC asking what he knew about the kid and such. Had a lot of positives to say about the kid because there is a lot of positives to say about him athletically. But he has a lot of maturing still to do. Now I know it's a middle school child and all middle schoolers need to mature still but this one was as bad as they come and did not jsut have problems with this one teacher! Every faculty member/coach he came in contact too he had issues with. I have seen kindergarteners respect adults and behave better than this kid.O willardfan: now just to get some things straight with you. We are just responding to what moneyball has put on here. If you would have notice a lot of us on here do not even live in Willard or get the Willard Times, which is worse than the Norwalk Rejecter or I should of said Reflector, so anyway we are stating on here by what moneyball has written about. Either way on what has happen the two teachers should not have been corresponding on e-mail about a student. If a teacher has any concerns about the child he/she should have gone to the principle's or administrator's office and have them talk with Willard's people to fine out more about this student.
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Post by willardfan1 on Dec 24, 2017 1:30:44 GMT -5
Death from above: I totally agree with you about emailing bakc and forth and that's why I said I didn't disagree with the teacher being punished. I just was annoyed at the fact the person starting this whole thing did not have facts straight as do a lot of people on these threads. They start threads with rumors that have been passed around with stories changing who knows how many times without a whole lot of facts which is why I decided to step in and bring some facts to attention that no one esle seemed to be able to do. No they should not have emailed about the student. But please there isn't multiple teachers all bullying the same child. There is one common denominator in all the situations that he has been in and that is him so that should clearly show who the problem is
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Post by ScarletFever on Dec 24, 2017 13:08:57 GMT -5
I know of this situation and I know all families involved, good families. Kids did what's going on today in the 80's just as much if not more, but without social media and the 'bullying' craze most of it if not all of it eventually died down or went away.
I'm glad there wasn't the internet or social media to report on everything my friends and I did back then, we were goofs and eventually grew out of it. Again, all good families here and I hope the best for them and the young men involved.
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Post by Whittaker on Dec 24, 2017 19:11:45 GMT -5
I know of this situation and I know all families involved, good families. Kids did what's going on today in the 80's just as much if not more, but without social media and the 'bullying' craze most of it if not all of it eventually died down or went away. I'm glad there wasn't the internet or social media to report on everything my friends and I did back then, we were goofs and eventually grew out of it. Again, all good families here and I hope the best for them and the young men involved. If kids had cell phones with cameras when I was in high school, well, my friends and I would have had to change our behavior or we would've been kicked out of all sports.
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