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Post by CEOSouth on Mar 8, 2018 18:59:28 GMT -5
I think I’d be much better taking a QB at one and moving from 4 to 2(if we have to) to take Barkley just for perception alone.
If they don’t identify Rosen or Darnold to be their #1 QB, then I could see them possibly rolling the dice that their guy is there at 4 and take Barkely 1.
As of now I see one of a few possibilities:
1. Darnold/Rosen/Allen 4. Fitzpatrick
1. Darnold/Rosen/Allen 2.(via trade) Barkley
1. Darnold/Rosen/Allen 4. Barkley
1.Barkley 4. Mayfield/Jackson
2. Or 3. (Via trade down) Barkley 4. Mayfield/Jackson
Which means they’ll draft a WR and an OT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 19:03:08 GMT -5
Really. After all the crap the Browns have done, drafting an OL at #4 would be what drives you away? Yep
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Post by DrTorch on Mar 8, 2018 19:29:21 GMT -5
Good for you.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 8, 2018 21:18:08 GMT -5
Barkley was Zeke with a wayyyy worse line at PSU Barkley makes whoever they pick 2nd assuming its a QB much better, or should I say much more likely to be successful along the lines of Dak Prescott.
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Post by tigeralum01 on Mar 9, 2018 16:54:10 GMT -5
Browns trade for Jarvis Landry. Shefter says its 2 picks. non 1st or 2nd rounders for either pick
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Post by CEOSouth on Mar 9, 2018 18:17:35 GMT -5
If they can go get the Honey Badger, it’d be a big piece IMO.
Browns can sign Jarvis and still have about 10m more in cap than any other team.
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Post by CEOSouth on Mar 9, 2018 18:22:04 GMT -5
And they just grabbed Tyrod Taylor from the Bills. There’s the veteran to let the rookie QB sit. IMO that all but locks a QB at 1 or 4.
Cap Space, draft picks to trade for Vets.....wonder who put the Browns in that position.
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Post by tigeralum01 on Mar 9, 2018 18:54:42 GMT -5
Get cb randall from green bay for Kiser
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Post by CEOSouth on Mar 9, 2018 19:21:52 GMT -5
Trading Kizer opens them up for drafting either Allen or Lamar Jackson, both QBs that fit a similar mold as Kizer
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Post by DrTorch on Mar 9, 2018 19:37:09 GMT -5
I like all these moves.
What is the board's opinion on which QB we should take if we take one at #1? Allen/Darnold/Rosen?
I haven't seen enough of Allen but I have seen a little Darnold. Rosen scares me a bit.
Brown get smartest person in the room syndrome and go Barkley at 1 and Lamar Jackson at 4?
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Post by tigeralum01 on Mar 9, 2018 20:06:54 GMT -5
I think Lamar could last until the 2nd round.
Idk what the heck they should do at 1 to be honest.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 9, 2018 20:52:17 GMT -5
Barkley was Zeke with a wayyyy worse line at PSU Barkley makes whoever they pick 2nd assuming its a QB much better, or should I say much more likely to be successful along the lines of Dak Prescott. Some have compared Barkley to Ladainial Tomlinson. AND if the best team in the league had the #1 and "took the best player on the board", it would be Barkley.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 9, 2018 20:54:56 GMT -5
I think I’d be much better taking a QB at one and moving from 4 to 2(if we have to) to take Barkley just for perception alone. If they don’t identify Rosen or Darnold to be their #1 QB, then I could see them possibly rolling the dice that their guy is there at 4 and take Barkely 1. As of now I see one of a few possibilities: 1. Darnold/Rosen/Allen 4. Fitzpatrick 1. Darnold/Rosen/Allen 2.(via trade) Barkley 1. Darnold/Rosen/Allen 4. Barkley 1.Barkley 4. Mayfield/Jackson 2. Or 3. (Via trade down) Barkley 4. Mayfield/Jackson Which means they’ll draft a WR and an OT I've read the Eagles are shopping their Super Bowl QB and their best offers so far have been a 2nd round pick. He's a known quantity. Also, all the top rated QB's have been working with QB whisperers getting ready for the draft. The kid from Wyoming has made the most improvement. He undoubtedly got the lowest level of coaching, high school through college.
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Post by cbus on Mar 9, 2018 22:38:12 GMT -5
CEO wrote
2. Or 3. (Via trade down) Barkley 4. Mayfield/Jackson
I like this one if we can swing it. Plus I think another trade down and still get L Lackson. Use the extra picks to help out everywhere else.
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Post by CEOSouth on Mar 10, 2018 0:52:39 GMT -5
I think whenever Jackson runs his 40, people will start looking at all he reasons he’s not a 1st Round QB and see a lot of it is potentially smoke. Too small, too slight, won’t hold up. Maybe its right, but he’s just as big as other QBs and I think when you start looking at his throws, he’s capable of possibly being a Mike Vick type QB.
I don’t think Foles is on the radar after the Taylor acquisition. Taylor is the veteran that allows the rookie QB to sit and learn for a bit. Kizer was shipped out so there’s no question where the future lies, which is huge in a place like Cleveland. I’d put my odds at around 95% that we walk away with a QB before pick 5.
Unless Cousins signs, but I’m highly doubtful that happens. If you think you’ve got a shot at Cousins, I think you keep your 3rd Rounder and stick with Kizer as a backup, or trade the 3rd for the CB.
If they can land a safety like Mathieu, or Earl Thomas or CB Sherman, I think it relieves them from having to draft Fitzpatrick and opens the door for Barkley at 1 or 4
On Allen, even if he’s getting better coaching, I worry about his completion percentage. His legit arm is a lot of the reason people are talking about him, but Kizer profiled in a similar way to Allen and we see how detrimental a low completion percentage can be to a teams success.
More than any other QB available, Lamar Jackson profiles a lot like Tyrod Taylor in some ways, which seemingly would make a decent transition in QBs when the time comes. Is that insight into who they’re gonna draft? Idk, we’re still a ways away from the draft and a lot is just stabbing in the dark, but you can certainly talk yourself into a Barkely/Jackson at some combination of 1&4.
Regardless of QB:
Taylor Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Mayfield/Jackson Barkley Duke Gordon Landry Coleman Njoku
Seems a lot more interesting than what we’ve seen in recent years
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Post by CEOSouth on Mar 10, 2018 12:26:48 GMT -5
2015 NFL Draft 1st Round picks
12. Danny Shelton 19. Cameron Irving
Woof
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Post by bat21 on Mar 10, 2018 15:31:18 GMT -5
Trading Kizer opens them up for drafting either Allen or Lamar Jackson, both QBs that fit a similar mold as Kizer Please not LJ ... it would be another wasted 1st rounder.
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Post by CEOSouth on Mar 10, 2018 16:12:07 GMT -5
You may be right about that. I just think there’s going to be a team that falls in love with him and takes him in the first round, possibly in the Top 10, but a lot of that hinges on his pro day now. I’d rather have him over Allen and possibly Mayfield.
IMO
Skillwise Rosen Darnold/Jackson/Mayfield Allen
Fit in Cleveland Darnold/Jackson/Mayfield Allen Rosen
It’s easier for a Rookie QB to sit a learn if the offense the teams runs while he sits is very similar to the offense they’ll run when he finally plays. Taylor seems like the best precursor to Jackson. If they wanted Mayfield, Darnold or Allen, I think the vet QB to get would’ve been someone like A.J. McCarron. If they were looking Rosen, I think he starts day 1 and the vet they grab is someone like Josh McCown. Just speculating.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 16:15:45 GMT -5
I agree getting Lamar Jackson would be a joke. Don't waste a pick on him.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 10, 2018 22:12:47 GMT -5
I think whenever Jackson runs his 40, people will start looking at all he reasons he’s not a 1st Round QB and see a lot of it is potentially smoke. Too small, too slight, won’t hold up. Maybe its right, but he’s just as big as other QBs and I think when you start looking at his throws, he’s capable of possibly being a Mike Vick type QB. I don’t think Foles is on the radar after the Taylor acquisition. Taylor is the veteran that allows the rookie QB to sit and learn for a bit. Kizer was shipped out so there’s no question where the future lies, which is huge in a place like Cleveland. I’d put my odds at around 95% that we walk away with a QB before pick 5. Unless Cousins signs, but I’m highly doubtful that happens. If you think you’ve got a shot at Cousins, I think you keep your 3rd Rounder and stick with Kizer as a backup, or trade the 3rd for the CB. If they can land a safety like Mathieu, or Earl Thomas or CB Sherman, I think it relieves them from having to draft Fitzpatrick and opens the door for Barkley at 1 or 4 On Allen, even if he’s getting better coaching, I worry about his completion percentage. His legit arm is a lot of the reason people are talking about him, but Kizer profiled in a similar way to Allen and we see how detrimental a low completion percentage can be to a teams success. More than any other QB available, Lamar Jackson profiles a lot like Tyrod Taylor in some ways, which seemingly would make a decent transition in QBs when the time comes. Is that insight into who they’re gonna draft? Idk, we’re still a ways away from the draft and a lot is just stabbing in the dark, but you can certainly talk yourself into a Barkely/Jackson at some combination of 1&4. Regardless of QB: Taylor Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Mayfield/Jackson Barkley Duke Gordon Landry Coleman Njoku Seems a lot more interesting than what we’ve seen in recent years Wouldn't you rather have Foles, a Super Bowl QB, instead of one of these unknown QBs?
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Post by CEOSouth on Mar 10, 2018 23:41:34 GMT -5
After picking up Tyrod for an early 3rd, no.
Plus, If the Eagles are smart, the price on him is gonna be way too high for a QB that’s been passed around the league.
He had a great playoffs and did everything you’d want your backup to step in and do, but I’m not convinced that he’s a guy that can translate success on a team like the Eagles to success on a team like the Browns. He was in a very similar situation(like the Browns) when he was on the Rams in ‘15 and struggled, eventually losing the job to Case Keenum and leading to the Rams moving up to grab Goff.
This years Eagles team is a much different team than the ‘15 Rams and any recent Browns team.
If the Browns are lucky, they’ll follow a similar path as those Rams, it’s probably, at minimum 2 years before they are in that conversation and by that time Foles is looking at his mid 30s...if the media and fans haven’t chased him out of town yet.
Grab your rookie, sit him for the year(at least) and (theoretically) let him blossom with the rest of the team.
Just think for a moment, how incredibly silly it would be for a team like the Browns, a team starved for a franchise QB, to pass on a apparent QB heavy class in a draft where they have 2 of the first 4 picks and 5 in the first 2 rounds.
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Post by 4 on Mar 12, 2018 18:46:56 GMT -5
Browns moves have showed free agents they’re serious a and now is the time, Several agents said. I think cleveland has a great chance to win 6-7 games with this roster already. a proven qb that gets it done, nothing flashy
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Post by DrTorch on Mar 14, 2018 10:57:51 GMT -5
hearing Carlos Hyde to Browns
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 14, 2018 12:16:47 GMT -5
cleveland.com reporting Hyde's deal with the Browns to be 3 years $15M
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Post by DrTorch on Mar 14, 2018 17:12:31 GMT -5
I assume this means we are taking a QB at #1. I would probably take Darnold.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 14, 2018 20:00:47 GMT -5
Yep, no longer interested in Barkley. The QB they're interested in could be available at #4. And since Thomas made it official today, that he's retiring. They could trade their #1 for several draft choices and take the best O-lineman in the draft with a lower pick acquired in the trade for their #1.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 14, 2018 20:02:55 GMT -5
Browns moves have showed free agents they’re serious a and now is the time, Several agents said. I think cleveland has a great chance to win 6-7 games with this roster already. a proven qb that gets it done, nothing flashy "a proven qb"? Like the Super Bowl winning QB from Philadelphia?
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Post by DrTorch on Mar 14, 2018 20:31:49 GMT -5
Eagles want a 1st and a 4th for Foles. No ty.
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Post by DrTorch on Mar 18, 2018 15:30:03 GMT -5
with the Jets moving up to #3 it looks like Barkley will be there for us at #4 if we want to go that route
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Post by 4 on Mar 19, 2018 22:09:45 GMT -5
made a post in general discussion looking for some help in if anyone has time to read it and could offer a hand.
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