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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jan 3, 2018 14:43:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 16:47:01 GMT -5
^^^ I liked that 1 handed kid, Good player too. I hope the AP crowns UCF Champions, Instead of the winner of that eSECpn, so called National championship game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 5:37:37 GMT -5
Give them what Boise State received in 2006 and 2009.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jan 4, 2018 8:07:20 GMT -5
Good they deserve it. Georgia lost to Auburn Alabama lost to Auburn Central Florida BEAT Auburn Auburn is the ONLY good team Alabama played in the entire regular season, Alabama lost that game and somehow still got to make the playoff. Central Florida just beat that team and was undefeated. Central Florida is my #1. Central Florida is #1 in a lot of computer polls www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm#1 in the Wobus #1 in the Ford AMSTS #1 in the Krach #1 in the Ernst Zermelo #1 in the Ashburn BCSC #1 in the Wolfe -------------- was one of the 6 BCS computer rankings #1 in the Wilson #1 in the Loudsound #1 in the MJS Standings #1 in the Mark #1 in the Rhamey #1 in the Jim Wilson |
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Post by thedogg on Jan 5, 2018 11:02:15 GMT -5
^^^ I liked that 1 handed kid, Good player too. I hope the AP crowns UCF Champions, Instead of the winner of that eSECpn, so called National championship game. Inspiring to watch kid play. |
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 5, 2018 11:18:53 GMT -5
Bama and UM and Georgia all claim bogus titles, why not UCF? They have as valid a claim as anyone.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jan 5, 2018 11:51:02 GMT -5
This playoff is a joke.
If Auburn would have sat out the SEC Champ game then Auburn would have been in the playoff. Auburn is now a 4 loss team. The Committee told us at the end of the regular season that Auburn was a playoff team and Alabama was not. Auburn then had to go play an extra game while Alabama sat on their hands. Then magically Auburn fell below the team they just beat.
Then the Committee told us Auburn was better than Central Florida. Central Florida beat Auburn
Then the Committee told us Clemson was the #1 team in the entire nation. Clemson lost
I could go on and on.
Remember when TCU was #3 in 2014 and the Committee dropped them to #6 when TCU sat at home just like Alabama did this year? TCU didn't have the right name, does anyone think Alabama could be #3 then drop to #6?
Central Florida is my 2017 National Champ. Undefeated and beat the team that beat both teams playing in the so called "NC Game". The old system was better than this rigged system at least under that system they didn't pretend they determined the champ on the field, everyone knew it was more of an eye test, guessing. They want to pretend they are determining a REAL Champ played on the field but they leave out teams that could easily win it all. 2014 TCU left out. 2015 Ohio State left out. 2017 UCF, Wisconsin and FPI #2 OSU left out.
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Post by tori2 on Jan 5, 2018 13:29:47 GMT -5
Ohio state didn't get in this year get over it already. Btw they didn't deserve to get in last year either.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jan 5, 2018 14:15:24 GMT -5
^^^ still sour over 5 loss Michigan I see. I hope Michigan keeps Harbaugh for 40 more years.
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Post by gibby23 on Jan 5, 2018 14:49:17 GMT -5
Ohio state didn't get in this year get over it already. Btw they didn't deserve to get in last year either. Agree 100%. Buckeye fans are just ticked off because they did not make the playoff. Funny how last year they said the big ten champion should not get the invite, yet this year when the buckeyes win the big ten, now we should invite the big ten champion. Last year Penn St. doesn't deserve to be in with 2 losses, but this year osu deserves to be in with 2 losses. Hilarious! |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jan 5, 2018 18:35:40 GMT -5
Regarding the Validity of National Championship Claims...IMO, There are essentially 4 "tiers" when it comes to CFB National Championship claims, based on which organization crowned the title. (Note, this post is strictly about validity of claims based on the selectors, and is not attempting to dive into the "pre-bowl vs. post bowl" issue, which was something that changed the way selectors picked their champions in the late 60's early 70's) Tier 1: AP Poll (1936-present) and Coaches Poll (1950-present - under several different names)This is the strictest method, and is what the majority of media organizations use. When you see ESPN list OSU as having 6 titles, this is what they are using. The following schools have multiple titles when counting this way: 11 - Alabama 8 - Notre Dame 7 - USC, Oklahoma 6 - Ohio State ('42 AP, '54 AP, '57 Coaches, '68 both, '02 both, '14 both) 5 - Miami, Nebraska 4 - Minnesota, Texas 3 - Florida, Florida State, LSU 2 - Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Clemson, Auburn, Tennessee, Army Tier 2: The NCAA record book's "Consensus National Champions"The NCAA FBS record book includes a long list of what they call "Major Selectors" for National Championships, however they specify 4 Polls as being the selectors of "Consensus National Champions." These are the AP, Coaches Poll, Football Writers Association of America (which names an All-American team and presents several postseason awards including the Outland trophy), and National Football Foundation (which runs the College Football Hall of Fame.) Titles from one of these 4 selectors from 1950 on are marking in bold on the wikipedia list of FBS national champions I linked to in the OP. OSU's extra 2 titles fall under this category. In 1961 Alabama won the AP, Coaches poll & NFF, but OSU won the FWAA. The FWAA's Grantland Rice Trophy is what OSU displays as it's 1961 National Title Trophy in the WHAC. In 1970 Nebraska won the AP & FWAA, Texas won the Coaches Poll, and the NFF decided to award both Texas and OSU a share of their championship. The NFF's trophy is called the MacArthur Bowl and is a singular trophy like the Stanley Cup with the champions engraved on the side, and it mainly stays at the College Football Hall of Fame. OSU has a replica of the trophy on display in the WHAC for 1970. Some other notable titles in this category are: 1958 Iowa (FWAA), 1960 Ole Miss (FWAA), 1964 Arkansas (FWAA), 1964 Notre Dame (NFF), 1966 Michigan State (NFF) Note: the FWAA and NFF merged their polls together in 2014, naming the poll after Grantland Rice and using the MacArthur Bowl as its trophy. Tier 3: Retroactive TitlesThe vast majority of national titles before the major poll era are retroactively applied, since there wasn't really much of a concept of a "national championship" before the 30's. Many organizations have gone back and looked at the records and named national champions from years that had long since passed into history. This is where the majority of Michigan's claim of 11 titles comes from, as well as things like Princeton and Yale each having 20+, Harvard having 7, and extra titles added to schools like Alabama, USC, Notre Dame, Pitt, Penn State and many more. A combination of these first 3 "Tiers" is what the NCAA uses for their list of FBS National Champions: www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs (this includes all 8 of OSU's claimed titles) Tier 4: Anything and EverythingI mentioned above that the NCAA record book has a long list of "major selectors" which are various polls, computer rankings and retroactive titles.....and with so many of them almost every single year in college football history has multiple national champions listed. Some of the most bogus national title claims are made by schools who will claim each and every one of these titles they have been awarded (one example is Tennessee claiming 1967 based on one selector, when all 4 of the consensus polls picked USC) If each school claimed every single one of these titles they could, the list of schools with at least 5 NC's would look like this: 28 - Princeton 27 - Yale 22 - Notre Dame 20 - Alabama 17 - Oklahoma, USC 16 - Ohio State, Michigan 12 - Harvard 11 - Nebraska, Pittsburgh 9 - Miami, Minnesota, Texas 8 - Florida State, LSU 7 - Georgia Tech, Penn State, Tennessee 6 - Georgia, Michigan State, Penn 5 - Iowa, Army, Auburn, California, Cornell, Florida, Illinois For those curious, the extra 8 to get OSU to 16 would be: 1933, 1944, 1969, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1998, and 2006....most of which would be completely bogus to claim. The only one that could have some merit is the 9-0 1944 team, but OSU has enough respect to not try and claim part of a title that was won by Army during WW2. It'll be interesting to see what UCF ends up with. They're almost certain to get named national champion by at least one of those "tier 4 selectors"...but it would be pretty cool if they could get either the AP, Coaches Poll or FWAA/NFF to vote them #1.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 5, 2018 21:15:40 GMT -5
Ohio state didn't get in this year get over it already. Btw they didn't deserve to get in last year either. Blind hate, show us the last post that claims Ohio State SHOULD have made the playoffs. What team that didn't make the playoffs last year would have beaten National Champion Clemson? |
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 6, 2018 5:16:52 GMT -5
Ohio state didn't get in this year get over it already. Btw they didn't deserve to get in last year either. Blind hate, show us the last post that claims Ohio State SHOULD have made the playoffs. What team that didn't make the playoffs last year would have beaten National Champion Clemson? One thing we also agree on is; Michigan SHOULD have beaten South Carolina to complete a perfect Big Ten bowl season. The B1G can blame 'weirdo' Harbaugh for that shortcoming. |
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 6, 2018 5:36:44 GMT -5
Ohio state didn't get in this year get over it already. Btw they didn't deserve to get in last year either. Agree 100%. Buckeye fans are just ticked off because they did not make the playoff. Funny how last year they said the big ten champion should not get the invite, yet this year when the buckeyes win the big ten, now we should invite the big ten champion. Last year Penn St. doesn't deserve to be in with 2 losses, but this year osu deserves to be in with 2 losses. Hilarious! i'm a Buckeye fan and i said OSU didn't deserve to get in whatchu got now? |
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 6, 2018 6:17:21 GMT -5
Agree 100%. Buckeye fans are just ticked off because they did not make the playoff. Funny how last year they said the big ten champion should not get the invite, yet this year when the buckeyes win the big ten, now we should invite the big ten champion. Last year Penn St. doesn't deserve to be in with 2 losses, but this year osu deserves to be in with 2 losses. Hilarious! i'm a Buckeye fan and i said OSU didn't deserve to get in whatchu got now? I'm as big a fan of the Buckeyes as you'll find and agreed with the foregone conclusion, playoffs left the picture for the Buckeyes in Iowa City. Just another example of a troll coming out of nowhere to make unsubstantiated accusations without checking the facts. |
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 6, 2018 6:29:24 GMT -5
I'm with Torch,I'm a Buckeye fan who is realistic enough to know OSU blew it because of the margin of loss to Iowa.
In watching the bowl season and how it played out now in hindsite
Here's my 4 that I felt were the best 4 teams in no order---
OK
OSU
Alabama
Ga
with UCF being a very close 5th,,,,
Clemson was the fraud this year, much like OSU was last year. Once they play you figure these things out.
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Post by cbus on Jan 6, 2018 6:43:06 GMT -5
Josh, that post should be a Wikipedia page!
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Post by CEOSouth on Jan 6, 2018 11:39:31 GMT -5
Is it safe to say that we can crown UCF the Ncoast National Champions?
I’m on board.
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Post by Buckeye2b on Jan 6, 2018 20:15:50 GMT -5
I'm with you. Better yet, a 6 or eight team bracket, using each conference champ (that proves they did what they needed to during the season) AND use the old BCS formula for the next three "at large" teams. This allows for solid mid majors like UCF to get in if they run the tables... if THEY pass the freaking eye test the committee keeps talking about... last but not least, remove that numb-nut committee from existence.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 6, 2018 20:44:13 GMT -5
I'm with you. Better yet, a 6 or eight team bracket, using each conference champ (that proves they did what they needed to during the season) AND use the old BCS formula for the next three "at large" teams. This allows for solid mid majors like UCF to get in if they run the tables... if THEY pass the freaking eye test the committee keeps talking about... last but not least, remove that numb-nut committee from existence. Think this may surprise you a bit....'mid-major'?......lol Think again. Also consider, the college football landscape may look quite different in the years ahead.
Ten largest public university campuses by enrollment during the 2016–17 academic year
1 University of Central Florida Orlando, Florida 64,335 [1]
2 Texas A&M University College Station, Texas 60,435 [2] 3 Ohio State University Columbus, Ohio 59,482 [3] 4 Florida International University Miami, Florida 55,111 [4] 5 University of Florida Gainesville, Florida 52,367 [5] 6 Arizona State University [note 1] Tempe, Arizona 51,869 [6] 7 University of Minnesota Minneapolis/Saint Paul, Minnesota 51,580 [7] 8 University of Texas at Austin Austin, Texas 51,331 [8] 9 Michigan State University East Lansing, Michigan 50,344 [9] 10 Indiana University Bloomington, Indiana 49,695 [10] |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 21:51:56 GMT -5
I'm with you. Better yet, a 6 or eight team bracket, using each conference champ (that proves they did what they needed to during the season) AND use the old BCS formula for the next three "at large" teams. This allows for solid mid majors like UCF to get in if they run the tables... if THEY pass the freaking eye test the committee keeps talking about... last but not least, remove that numb-nut committee from existence. Think this may surprise you a bit....'mid-major'?......lol Think again. Also consider, the college football landscape may look quite different in the years ahead.
Ten largest public university campuses by enrollment during the 2016–17 academic year
1 University of Central Florida Orlando, Florida 64,335 [1]
2 Texas A&M University College Station, Texas 60,435 [2] 3 Ohio State University Columbus, Ohio 59,482 [3] 4 Florida International University Miami, Florida 55,111 [4] 5 University of Florida Gainesville, Florida 52,367 [5] 6 Arizona State University [note 1] Tempe, Arizona 51,869 [6] 7 University of Minnesota Minneapolis/Saint Paul, Minnesota 51,580 [7] 8 University of Texas at Austin Austin, Texas 51,331 [8] 9 Michigan State University East Lansing, Michigan 50,344 [9] 10 Indiana University Bloomington, Indiana 49,695 [10] interesting that 3 of the 5 largest are in Florida |
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 6, 2018 22:58:01 GMT -5
And.....both UFC and Florida International were completely off the radar ten years ago.
These two schools have experienced astronomical growth and presently in the transitional stage of emerging prominence among the traditional powers of the past.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 6, 2018 23:09:37 GMT -5
Is it safe to say that we can crown UCF the Ncoast National Champions? I’m on board. At least The State of Florida Championship |
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 7, 2018 6:39:18 GMT -5
Is it safe to say that we can crown UCF the Ncoast National Champions? I’m on board. At least The State of Florida Championship LOL........ |
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Post by cbus on Jan 7, 2018 8:46:23 GMT -5
So I guess Auburn should have replaced Clemson in the playoffs (since they beat the 2 finalists). 3 SEC teams but that probably would have been the 4 best teams given how Clemson really wasn’t that good.
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Post by CEOSouth on Jan 7, 2018 11:08:42 GMT -5
And.....both UFC and Florida International were completely off the radar ten years ago. These two schools have experienced astronomical growth and presently in the transitional stage of emerging prominence among the traditional powers of the past. Kiffin is doing some great things at FAU as well. State of Florida has a lot of talent.....and it’s spread across the universities in the state more than it has in the past. |
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 7, 2018 11:15:13 GMT -5
Boca has got to be a rockin place to coach/live in. Why leave? I think Frost shoulda stayed in FLA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 13:07:48 GMT -5
$$$$$$$
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Post by tommygunn on Jan 8, 2018 13:50:28 GMT -5
In a society where a man can claim to be a woman, UCF claiming to be the National Champs seems fitting.
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Post by bbmind on Jan 8, 2018 20:43:13 GMT -5
Tori2, who was supposed to get in last year? Buckeyes were clearly in. There have been 16 playoff teams none of them have had 2 losses. Hope that continues.
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