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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 21:15:28 GMT -5
Spring game is all about what the coaches want to see. Enjoy it but put little value into every stat from it. It was very clear that Haskins was the guy last season when the game was in need of a QB and JT could not go they went to Haskins. If Burrow stays then how do you deal with Martel as the 3rd string. My guess is he would be gone then.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 7:40:24 GMT -5
Burrow was the clear winner coming out of the spring game. Haskins has already proven his worth in game conditions of last season. In the event of injury, it would be a smooth and predictable transition for either of these replacements. The same cannot be said of Martel. His insertion completely changes the make-up and personality of the offense and not necessarily in all ways beneficial. I'm surprised Urban wasn't able to appease the situration and influence Burrow to stick it out. Haskins gets injured, we might be in trouble offensively. I wish Joe the very best and hope he finds the ideal situation, where he can play at a high level for the next two seasons. Maybe it was impossible to keep 3 QBs happy so Urban did what he felt was best long term for the Buckeyes in making 2 happy. Besides, with Joe being in his final year what kind of a team leader would he have been if he was wanting a teammate to get injured so he could become the starter.
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Post by sportsjock on May 9, 2018 7:45:20 GMT -5
Spring game is all about what the coaches want to see. Enjoy it but put little value into every stat from it. It was very clear that Haskins was the guy last season when the game was in need of a QB and JT could not go they went to Haskins. If Burrow stays then how do you deal with Martel as the 3rd string. My guess is he would be gone then. All very good points, that I agree with, but Urban did state Joe Burrow had the best spring of all the QB's. I understand, that doesn't necessarily equate to who their choice for starting QB in the fall. Martell still presents a multitude of question marks. I'm sure we will get many of the answers this fall. Will he ever be a starting QB for the Buckeyes? I have my doubts at this point.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 7:54:52 GMT -5
Spring game is all about what the coaches want to see. Enjoy it but put little value into every stat from it. It was very clear that Haskins was the guy last season when the game was in need of a QB and JT could not go they went to Haskins. If Burrow stays then how do you deal with Martel as the 3rd string. My guess is he would be gone then. All very good points, that I agree with, but Urban did state Joe Burrow had the best spring of all the QB's.I understand, that doesn't necessarily equate to who their choice for starting QB in the fall. Martell still presents a multitude of question marks. I'm sure we will get many of the answers this fall. Will he ever be a starting QB for the Buckeyes? I have my doubts at this point. After following Urban and coaches for many years we can all understand sometimes they say things to give their players credit for working hard but it does not mean they are the best at what they do. Example. A baseball pitcher can improve his speed from 87 to 94 and have the best spring on the team but still not be as good as the pitcher who throws 98. I think this may be the case with Haskins and Burrows. Haskins came out of last season as the probable starter and Burrow had a good spring but still did not become a better choice for the starting spot. I have seen some reports from people who follow the Buckeyes closely that Martel could be used as a situation QB with special packages. Thus keeping him happy while he improves.
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Post by sportsjock on May 9, 2018 8:18:59 GMT -5
All very good points, that I agree with, but Urban did state Joe Burrow had the best spring of all the QB's.I understand, that doesn't necessarily equate to who their choice for starting QB in the fall. Martell still presents a multitude of question marks. I'm sure we will get many of the answers this fall. Will he ever be a starting QB for the Buckeyes? I have my doubts at this point. After following Urban and coaches for many years we can all understand sometimes they say things to give their players credit for working hard but it does not mean they are the best at what they do. Example. A baseball pitcher can improve his speed from 87 to 94 and have the best spring on the team but still not be as good as the pitcher who throws 98. I think this may be the case with Haskins and Burrows. Haskins came out of last season as the probable starter and Burrow had a good spring but still did not become a better choice for the starting spot. I have seen some reports from people who follow the Buckeyes closely that Martel could be used as a situation QB with special packages. Thus keeping him happy while he improves. I get what you're saying and that may be true to a certain extent. However, Urban is a straight shooter, who doesn't usually resort to deceptions to attain wanted results. Suddenly, QB has become a major concern for the Buckeyes. To quote '11 Warriors': "His (Baldwin's) departure has a bigger ripple effect, however, on the Buckeyes’ depth at the quarterback position, where they could now be one injury away from being in big trouble." Given all the unanswered concerns on Martell and the fact the #3 man in the rotation is still recovering from the effects of knee surgery, this is not an encouraging spector going into a long season of play that includes the often brutal, physical play of the Big Ten Conference.
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Post by DrTorch on May 9, 2018 8:28:31 GMT -5
we've been playing without a QB for 3 years, what's one more?
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Post by sportsjock on May 9, 2018 8:37:18 GMT -5
we've been playing without a QB for 3 years, what's one more? That's strictly your opinion. Seriously, I can't recall a season in recent history that is as tenuous as we face this fall, pertaining to QB depth.
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Post by brownies1 on May 9, 2018 8:39:25 GMT -5
Joe made his decision when the staff and Urban was not going to make a clear choice at who the starter was. For the ones saying that Haskins was the better thrower I’ll disagree with that but that’s just me. Both QB’s do things very well in there own way. What little do people know is that if Joe was the guy that Haskins would consider transferring. Had Joe not broken his hand then it would all be different but that’s life and here we are. I will tell you that this was not easy choice to make and it’s clear that he was loved and backed by many of his teammates. I believe both of these guys can start anywhere and both will do there job to the best of there ability. Looking forward to seeing both play.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 8:44:39 GMT -5
Saying Joe had the best spring of the QBs is not considered deception by me. If anything I think that was a honest statement. We could probably say any team that is in the discussion for a national title every season could say they were one QB injury away from trouble. And much of the recent risk may have been from a QB who chose to run before throw, this may not be the case this season.
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Post by DrTorch on May 9, 2018 10:31:20 GMT -5
Glad he is going somewhere to play. He is too good to sit. He has skills to get a job in the NFL imho.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 9, 2018 14:02:59 GMT -5
then why is Burrows the one transferring? don't tell me you don't trust Urban to make the right decision as to who to start at QB? He's transferring because Urban didn't make a decision on who his QB is. Urban hoped both would stay if he delayed his decision. Burrow can play right away and for 2 years, if he transfers early enough. If Haskins transferred he he'd have to sit out a year at his new school. Simple answer to a simple question.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 9, 2018 14:07:37 GMT -5
we've been playing without a QB for 3 years, what's one more? You say the silliest things. Ohio State was only playing 10 players on offense the past 3 years?? OR were they using an extra O-lineman in the backfield instead of a QB?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 9, 2018 14:16:44 GMT -5
I'm surprised Urban wasn't able to appease the situration and influence Burrow to stick it out. Haskins gets injured, we might be in trouble offensively. I wish Joe the very best and hope he finds the ideal situation, where he can play at a high level for the next two seasons. Maybe it was impossible to keep 3 QBs happy so Urban did what he felt was best long term for the Buckeyes in making 2 happy. Besides, with Joe being in his final year what kind of a team leader would he have been if he was wanting a teammate to get injured so he could become the starter. Urban did nothing. Hoping it would give him a good backup QB next year, now he has none of any worth. He still has yet to say anything about Burrow transferring. BTW, Burrow had 2 years of eligibility left at Ohio State.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 9, 2018 14:20:53 GMT -5
Saying Joe had the best spring of the QBs is not considered deception by me. If anything I think that was a honest statement. We could probably say any team that is in the discussion for a national title every season could say they were one QB injury away from trouble. And much of the recent risk may have been from a QB who chose to run before throw, this may not be the case this season. Most QB injuries come from being blind sided by a DE with a mean disposition.
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Post by sportsjock on May 9, 2018 18:55:41 GMT -5
I'm afraid there may be repercussions resulting from this, at least for the next few recruiting classes. Potential recruits, who are pure, drop back, pro-style QB's, may look at this example of a quality QB that languished in Urban Meyers system, at odds with the style offense Urban prefers. Opposing coaches will be quick to point this out, to their advantage.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 21:01:39 GMT -5
I'm afraid there may be repercussions resulting from this, at least for the next few recruiting classes. Potential recruits, who are pure, drop back, pro-style QB's, may look at this example of a quality QB that languished in Urban Meyers system, at odds with the style offense Urban prefers. Opposing coaches will be quick to point this out, to their advantage. If the drop back pro style QB has a good season then it will show Urban can with either style.
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Post by sportsjock on May 10, 2018 8:04:45 GMT -5
I'm afraid there may be repercussions resulting from this, at least for the next few recruiting classes. Potential recruits, who are pure, drop back, pro-style QB's, may look at this example of a quality QB that languished in Urban Meyers system, at odds with the style offense Urban prefers. Opposing coaches will be quick to point this out, to their advantage. If the drop back pro style QB has a good season then it will show Urban can with either style. Haskins is the more traditional drop-back passer, but he also runs the spread option. It is still pretty certain, opposing programs will use the Joe Burrow story as a tool to gain a preferential advantage for certain QB candidates.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 8:13:10 GMT -5
If a guy doesn’t come to OSU because another guy transferred because he couldn’t beat out someone then I don’t want him at Ohio State anyways
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Post by utsherman on May 10, 2018 8:59:57 GMT -5
In my opinion, with Haskins at QB, we'll finally see more of Kevin Wilson's offense from Indiana/Oklahoma. With Barrett at QB, this wasn't the optimal system to run. I think we'll see less of the read option comparatively, and finally be able to stretch the field vertically - with a ridiculous threat in the backfield with Dobbins/Weber & Co. I also think Urban will have a package for Martell inside the 10 yard line, or goal to go situations.
As far as Burrow is concerned, I wish him the best. I know he was a beast in High School, and was a loyal 'soldier' as Urban called him, with ridiculous work ethic and toughness to match. I think it will be interesting however, to see where he lands. If he wasn't guaranteed to start at OSU, what assurances will the coach have to provide at his new school? He could end up back in the same position as he was in at OSU, especially if wants to play at a high-end Power 5 school. I know that there aren't currently all-world QB's at Florida, LSU, Nebraska, UCLA, etc., but how could they possibly guarantee anything for a dude whose stat line essentially equates to one full college football game?
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Post by sportsjock on May 10, 2018 9:03:09 GMT -5
In my opinion, with Haskins at QB, we'll finally see more of Kevin Wilson's offense from Indiana/Oklahoma. With Barrett at QB, this wasn't the optimal system to run. I think we'll see less of the read option comparatively, and finally be able to stretch the field vertically - with a ridiculous threat in the backfield with Dobbins/Weber & Co. I also think Urban will have a package for Martell inside the 10 yard line, or goal to go situations. As far as Burrow is concerned, I wish him the best. I know he was a beast in High School, and was a loyal 'soldier' as Urban called him, with ridiculous work ethic and toughness to match. I think it will be interesting however, to see where he lands. If he wasn't guaranteed to start at OSU, what assurances will the coach have to provide at his new school? He could end up back in the same position as he was in at OSU, especially if wants to play at a high-end Power 5 school. I know that there aren't currently all-world QB's at Florida, LSU, Nebraska, UCLA, etc., but how could they possibly guarantee anything for a dude whose stat line essentially equates to one full college football game? It's quite easy to look at it in these kind of simplistic terms, but I'm quite sure our coaching staff knows how the recruiting wars involve much psychology and pursuasion, essentially every tool in the toolbox. This particular case will be further exemplified if and when Joe has a successful conclusion to his collegiate career.
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Post by sportsjock on May 10, 2018 9:05:38 GMT -5
In my opinion, with Haskins at QB, we'll finally see more of Kevin Wilson's offense from Indiana/Oklahoma. With Barrett at QB, this wasn't the optimal system to run. I think we'll see less of the read option comparatively, and finally be able to stretch the field vertically - with a ridiculous threat in the backfield with Dobbins/Weber & Co. I also think Urban will have a package for Martell inside the 10 yard line, or goal to go situations. As far as Burrow is concerned, I wish him the best. I know he was a beast in High School, and was a loyal 'soldier' as Urban called him, with ridiculous work ethic and toughness to match. I think it will be interesting however, to see where he lands. If he wasn't guaranteed to start at OSU, what assurances will the coach have to provide at his new school? He could end up back in the same position as he was in at OSU, especially if wants to play at a high-end Power 5 school. I know that there aren't currently all-world QB's at Florida, LSU, Nebraska, UCLA, etc., but how could they possibly guarantee anything for a dude whose stat line essentially equates to one full college football game? Pretty good assessment..... We all wish the best for Burrow, for sure.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 9:31:45 GMT -5
If the drop back pro style QB has a good season then it will show Urban can with either style. Haskins is the more traditional drop-back passer, but he also runs the spread option. It is still pretty certain, opposing programs will use the Joe Burrow story as a tool to gain a preferential advantage for certain QB candidates. 2015 ESPN had Burrow rated 9th as a dual threat QB. 2016 ESPN had Haskins was rated 4th in the country as a pocket passer QB. Neither played meaningful minutes and the Buckeyes still got the 2017 ESPN 6th rated dual threat QB. Opposing programs already use their tactics to try and gain an advantage in recruiting so this is nothing new.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 9:43:34 GMT -5
It's quite easy to look at it in these kind of simplistic terms, but I'm quite sure our coaching staff knows how the recruiting wars involve much psychology and pursuasion, essentially every tool in the too box. This particular case will be further exemplified if and when Joe has a successful conclusion to his collegiate career. I wish the best for the kid but to be realistic, if he does go somewhere and have a very successful ending to his career it will be because the new place did not have the option at QB like the Buckeyes did. The kid wants to play and he did not feel that was going to happen in Columbus. Transfers due to competition/playing time are nothing new and it is not uncommon for the athlete to succeed after leaving, but to my knowledge this has never dramatically hurt a program's future recruiting.
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Post by sportsjock on May 10, 2018 12:56:11 GMT -5
It's quite easy to look at it in these kind of simplistic terms, but I'm quite sure our coaching staff knows how the recruiting wars involve much psychology and pursuasion, essentially every tool in the tool box. This particular case will be further exemplified if and when Joe has a successful conclusion to his collegiate career. I wish the best for the kid but to be realistic, if he does go somewhere and have a very successful ending to his career it will be because the new place did not have the option at QB like the Buckeyes did. The kid wants to play and he did not feel that was going to happen in Columbus. Transfers due to competition/playing time are nothing new and it is not uncommon for the athlete to succeed after leaving, but to my knowledge this has never dramatically hurt a program's future recruiting. Good thoughts. In the end, this is Ohio State and we will get most of who we seek, I understand that fact. If he falls into the desired situation, we know he has the skills to do some great things and get his shot in the NFL in a few years. Ohio State fans will be his biggest cheerleaders, take exception if he might be playing the Bucks.
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Post by sportsjock on May 11, 2018 8:51:06 GMT -5
I would expect, Urban and Ryan Day are shopping for a grad transfer QB to plug in as a backup. If Haskins goes down, we are totally green and inexperienced....scary.
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Post by 1percenter on May 11, 2018 9:00:31 GMT -5
I would expect, Urban and Ryan Day are shopping for a grad transfer QB to plug in as a backup. If Haskins goes down, we are totally green and inexperienced....scary. Scary? You mean like in 2014 when Ohio State won it all with the backup then the 3rd stringer? Or do you mean like in 2002 when Craig Krenzel finally got the reigns from Steve Belisari? Maybe you are a Tennessee fan and you remember how Tee Martin led your Vols to the National Championship once Peyton Manning left and you are scared Ohio State is going to win it all in 2018. Yeah be scared because Ohio State is going to be awesome. I hope we meet your Vols in the playoffs.
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Post by sportsjock on May 11, 2018 11:17:59 GMT -5
I would expect, Urban and Ryan Day are shopping for a grad transfer QB to plug in as a backup. If Haskins goes down, we are totally green and inexperienced....scary. Scary? You mean like in 2014 when Ohio State won it all with the backup then the 3rd stringer? Or do you mean like in 2002 when Craig Krenzel finally got the reigns from Steve Belisari? Maybe you are a Tennessee fan and you remember how Tee Martin led your Vols to the National Championship once Peyton Manning left and you are scared Ohio State is going to win it all in 2018. Yeah be scared because Ohio State is going to be awesome. I hope we meet your Vols in the playoffs. Again, if Haskins goes down, we have an uncertain and scary situation facing us. To suggest there is even a remote comparison to the trio of Braxton Miller, J.T. Barrett and Cardale Jones is laughable. Are you suggesting we could win a National Championship with newly arrived freshman Mathew Baldwin, who has yet to take a snap from center in college football and still unfamiliar with the offense? As I stated, don't be the least surprised if we pick up a grad transfer QB rather soon.
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Post by galion on May 11, 2018 12:04:54 GMT -5
How many snaps had Barrett and Jones taken before the NC season? Was Barrett not a redshirt freshman? Then by definition he had taken zero.
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Post by DrTorch on May 11, 2018 12:18:53 GMT -5
Don't forget the kid at Bama last year in the Title Game. Big time QB recruits come in more prepared than they did 15 years ago. Frosh QBs do big things all over the place, going to Martell won't really scare me. I mean rollout a Wishbone if you have to. I'll take my chances with that backfield and our D as a worst case scenario.
What is the worst that can happen? Did you see our SR QB @ Iowa last year? If Martell has to play, let's roll. I've seen Joe Bauserman.
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Post by sportsjock on May 11, 2018 12:41:16 GMT -5
Try as you may, can't gloss over the depth problem that is glaring at the coaches. I've seen Martell this spring and the passing is not there....yet. Coach Day said they have been working on his technique and he is learning to plant his back foot much better. He's still in development.
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