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Jan 8, 2018 14:24:54 GMT -5
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Post by kingmartinez on Jan 8, 2018 14:24:54 GMT -5
Sounds like the another round of dysfunction awaits.
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Jan 8, 2018 14:54:16 GMT -5
Post by statechamp on Jan 8, 2018 14:54:16 GMT -5
Sounds like the another round of dysfunction awaits. What do you mean?
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Jan 8, 2018 14:56:07 GMT -5
Post by bgsu07 on Jan 8, 2018 14:56:07 GMT -5
I am sure Coach Gray and staff will right the ship for whatever has happened. They always have their teams ready to play.
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Post by jakemak25 on Jan 8, 2018 14:59:52 GMT -5
Well let's see...either.... 1. Busted party 2. Ineligible kid(s) 3. Parent called coach, pulling kid from team?
There's only so many options in high school sports...
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Post by ScarletFever on Jan 8, 2018 19:14:55 GMT -5
Jakemak25 the answer always always is 1) parent causing problems because kid’s not doing well and it’s always the coach’s fault. What a joke if Norwalk loses a state title coach due to cowering over parents. That’s a page out of the Willard playbook.
Sounds like a trend for NHS with more ‘super’ decisions besides this one to come.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 9, 2018 0:15:38 GMT -5
Sounds like every thing is falling apart at Norwalk. I can never understand a parent that sticks his/her nose into what a coach should do because little Johnny isn't getting enough or no playing time. If they think they can coach any better than they should of applied for the job. Out of ten parents that think they could coach only 1% knows what coaching involves and how to really coach the game. Even down to the pee wee level. Coach Gray is the man that can do the job and he will get the ship righted. Coach Mac was the right man for the job at the time but the way I see it he was not getting the team moving beyond of what the kids were able to do, and I am taking into the fact that the past couple of years we had a lot of injuries to key players but you got to overcome those things. I wish Mac the best for him and his family and better things to come.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 9, 2018 8:55:31 GMT -5
Without Ben and Jeff around, suddenly Norwalk is the same team they were for 32 of the last 40 years. He's not a good enough coach to take moderate talent and win. He has a State Title where the stars alligned in terms of competition on the tourney road including the Title game. I've never viewed him as a high end Coach who could win games by outsmarting the opposition and or molding his so so talent into a solid ballclub. Haas did it and made it look easy. Gray has the title, Haas does not,,,,but Gray will never be Haas and I'll bet he'll never have the Gym in Norwalk named after him either in spite of a State Title.
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Jan 9, 2018 9:15:46 GMT -5
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Post by chandler182 on Jan 9, 2018 9:15:46 GMT -5
Coach Gray is not a good coach. He is in it for all the wrong reasons .... those being himself. Sure he has a lot of wins and a state title, but outside of that team, kids will tell you they’ve hated playing for him. He does and says some terrible things that he gets away with because of his past success. Kind of a shame.
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Post by statechamp on Jan 9, 2018 11:52:06 GMT -5
Coach Gray is not a good coach. He is in it for all the wrong reasons .... those being himself. Sure he has a lot of wins and a state title, but outside of that team, kids will tell you they’ve hated playing for him. He does and says some terrible things that he gets away with because of his past success. Kind of a shame. Coach Gray coaches for the kids. He pushes the kids to get the best out of them. You see all these teams getting blown out in the SBC this season, but Norwalk has been right there in every game. That's a testament to the kind of coach him and Foster are. They know their stuff and always put their kids in the best situation to be successful. And those kids that hated playing for him were the same players that either didn't play because they weren't good enough or ended up quitting. The kids who could see through the yelling could see that he wanted the best out of them and that's how he did it. But that's just how he coached. If you made a mistake or he wanted you to do something else, he'd let you know about it. These kids are just soft and get their feelings hurt when they get yelled at. Probably the only time they ever got yelled at in their young lives...
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Norwalk
Jan 9, 2018 12:48:46 GMT -5
Post by portwalk on Jan 9, 2018 12:48:46 GMT -5
Without Ben and Jeff around, suddenly Norwalk is the same team they were for 32 of the last 40 years. He's not a good enough coach to take moderate talent and win. He has a State Title where the stars alligned in terms of competition on the tourney road including the Title game. I've never viewed him as a high end Coach who could win games by outsmarting the opposition and or molding his so so talent into a solid ballclub. Haas did it and made it look easy. Gray has the title, Haas does not,,,,but Gray will never be Haas and I'll bet he'll never have the Gym in Norwalk named after him either in spite of a State Title. Do I think Gray is a "GREAT" HS coach no I don't however to lump him in as someone who was in the right place at the right time is not fair at all. He gets a lot out of the talent he has had and to do what he and that team did was not the stars aligning imo. This isn't even about that and I can tell you he cared about the kids he coached and is a very good man. Buckeye I know you and I believe you would not have ANY issue with the way he handles the kids... This is a sociality thing and is really sad that it has progressed to this point.
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Jan 9, 2018 15:56:28 GMT -5
Post by buckeyekid on Jan 9, 2018 15:56:28 GMT -5
You're probably right port, I don't know the man personally and have not seen them in person the last 4 years. I'm surmising as much from looking at scores and reading what's left of the NOSF crowd. I worry for the future of HS sports. We have our own issues in our town too. When I read stories about a number of 8th grade kids not showing up for practice during Christmas break. Beautiful gym,,,nothing to do over break anyway,,,and then just skip practice. Awful.
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 9, 2018 16:39:44 GMT -5
i know him pretty well.. I think he's done a nice job over the years.. But I also think that today's society is a very tough one to coach. VERY TOUGH ! Because things we grew up on like Discipline, Respect, ect. are out the window. You watch the game last night? Alabama v Georgia? player #48 2nd half has a situation in a game receives an unsportsmanlike goes to the sideline throws a temper tantrum goes after the coach, then momments later is allowed back in the game! Now back in the days, #1. you wouldn't do any of that. #2 if you did your night was finished. Not today boys and girls... So yea its tough to coach in todays world.. I know I wouldnt want to do it..
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Norwalk
Jan 9, 2018 21:12:58 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 9, 2018 21:12:58 GMT -5
Sounds like every thing is falling apart at Norwalk. I can never understand a parent that sticks his/her nose into what a coach should do because little Johnny isn't getting enough or no playing time. If they think they can coach any better than they should of applied for the job. Out of ten parents that think they could coach only 1% knows what coaching involves and how to really coach the game. Even down to the pee wee level. Coach Gray is the man that can do the job and he will get the ship righted. Coach Mac was the right man for the job at the time but the way I see it he was not getting the team moving beyond of what the kids were able to do, and I am taking into the fact that the past couple of years we had a lot of injuries to key players but you got to overcome those things. I wish Mac the best for him and his family and better <iframe width="25.039999999999964" height="4.5800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 25.04px; height: 4.58px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1186px; top: -189px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_10686986"></iframe> <iframe width="25.039999999999964" height="4.5800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 25.04px; height: 4.58px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -15px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_65703227"></iframe> <iframe width="25.039999999999964" height="4.5800000000000125" style="position: absolute; width: 25.04px; height: 4.58px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1186px; top: -15px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77100362"></iframe> It's called unrealistic expectations. It happens more at schools that have a State Title in the recent past. Collins got ran out of Lex when he couldn't win a State Title every other year. Gray replaced Collins. After his first year he had 1 losing record in 7 years. That wasn't good enough, so they ran him off to. I loved it when he said in the MNJ that it was a step to go from Lexington to Colonel Crawford......for one year before he came to Norwalk.
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Post by sport24278 on Jan 9, 2018 21:19:08 GMT -5
It has NOTHING to do with wins/losses. A few parents are going to bat for their kids. Their kids quit the team this year. And they have the ear of a board member who has been trying to run Gray for 10 years. Some kids can be coached. Some can't.
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Norwalk
Jan 9, 2018 21:32:00 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 9, 2018 21:32:00 GMT -5
i know him pretty well.. I think he's done a nice job over the years.. But I also think that today's society is a very tough one to coach. VERY TOUGH ! Because things we grew up on like Discipline, Respect, ect. are out the window. You watch the game last night? Alabama v Georgia? player #48 2nd half has a situation in a game receives an unsportsmanlike goes to the sideline throws a temper tantrum goes after the coach, then momments later is allowed back in the game! Now back in the days, #1. you wouldn't do any of that. #2 if you did your night was finished. Not today boys and girls... So yea its tough to coach in todays world.. I know I wouldnt want to do it.. The wussafication of the millennial generation by their parents.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:35:17 GMT -5
Post by mcm1019 on Jan 9, 2018 21:35:17 GMT -5
^^^I think that's the 1st time I've ever agreed with something that you've posted. 100% spot on!
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Norwalk
Jan 9, 2018 22:12:17 GMT -5
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Post by chandler182 on Jan 9, 2018 22:12:17 GMT -5
Gray put his hands on a player. Big no no in 2018. Should be terminated immediately.
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Jan 9, 2018 22:50:52 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 9, 2018 22:50:52 GMT -5
Gray put his hands on a player. Big no no in 2018. Should be terminated immediately. That statement, in itself, does not warrant termination.
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Norwalk
Jan 9, 2018 23:20:18 GMT -5
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 9, 2018 23:20:18 GMT -5
Gray put his hands on a player. Big no no in 2018. Should be terminated immediately. Only a no no for snowflakes
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Jan 9, 2018 23:42:56 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 23:42:56 GMT -5
Gray put his hands on a player. Big no no in 2018. Should be terminated immediately. I would bet some money that this is not true or at least not in the way you are trying to imply.
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Jan 9, 2018 23:46:39 GMT -5
Post by jakemak25 on Jan 9, 2018 23:46:39 GMT -5
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Post by jakemak25 on Jan 9, 2018 23:50:17 GMT -5
Gray put his hands on a player. Big no no in 2018. Should be terminated immediately. Put his hands on like Bobby Knight? Or Harvey Weinstein?
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Jan 10, 2018 0:02:34 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 0:02:34 GMT -5
I would guess neither.
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Norwalk
Jan 10, 2018 0:43:14 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 10, 2018 0:43:14 GMT -5
Coach Gray is not a good coach. He is in it for all the wrong reasons .... those being himself. Sure he has a lot of wins and a state title, but outside of that team, kids will tell you they’ve hated playing for him. He does and says some terrible things that he gets away with because of his past success. Kind of a shame. A letter from 44 "kids outside the team" supported coach Gray, how do you explain that? Other than being the parent of a kid who isn't good enough for playing time. THAT is always the reason. Kind of a shame. When I played, a very good coach told the team, "If I'm not yelling at you, then you should worry. That means I've given up on you being worthy of being coached."
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Norwalk
Jan 10, 2018 6:39:29 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 10, 2018 6:39:29 GMT -5
More nonsense from the Age of Entitlements. Honestly, especially in Huron Co., I don't know why coaches even bother anymore. If you cobbled together the most talented players from each school in the county to make a Dream Team, they wouldn't go far enough to be worth the hassle the parents create - they actually stand out as a county in this area. Nobody helicopters like Huron Co. parents. Seriously, this is becoming like the Roman Empire in the 3rd cent. AD; the new head man comes to power with a knife already in his back, just to save time.
Honestly, there are one or two programs in the area that I'd like to see have so much trouble finding a willing coach/coaching staff that they had to suspend a season of play. Sadly, since nearly every educator (especially the men) are out trying to score coaching gigs (and some are in the educ. profession just for THAT) it's not happening. Even if it did, with Open Enrollment unfettered in the area, Little Johnny and family would just go and poison some other program.
Perhaps a better solution: have a parent accept the HC job, and their predecessors can be at every practice, game, and board mtg. to ensure that these parent-coaches are living up to the same standard they demand of everyone else. (Hell, that'd be a great idea for INSIDE the classroom, too!)
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Jan 10, 2018 8:52:19 GMT -5
Post by dump on Jan 10, 2018 8:52:19 GMT -5
Hmmmm seems like there are a lot of "snowflakes" at Norwalk these days. The same community that rallied together when the Trumps came to town.. Can't have your cake and eat it, too.
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Jan 10, 2018 10:04:26 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 10:04:26 GMT -5
Looks more like only a few snowflakes with big mouths and a board member with an agenda.
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Jan 10, 2018 10:27:26 GMT -5
Post by Willard Dad on Jan 10, 2018 10:27:26 GMT -5
Thankfully Bob Haas coached in the 20th Century or snowflakes like Mary would have called him a bully.
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Post by berg19 on Jan 10, 2018 10:39:54 GMT -5
Simple Fact is the kids is just not good, and is uncoachable , so instead of parent realizing that have to make up crap because he kid wasen't playing and when he did was lazy , played no d and got yelled at for not playing hard, these people have never coached or been coached in there life what a joke, Gray and his coaches have a great program, sucks to have a few people who didn't get playing time try to end a job of a good man and coach.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 10, 2018 10:43:05 GMT -5
Thankfully Bob Haas coached in the 20th Century or snowflakes like Mary would have called him a bully. I think most people are missing the point here. I do not know coach Gray or this parent but what I can tell you is we cannot look to past actions and apply them to today's situations. The laws have changed and so have the parent's input and responsibilities. Soft has nothing to do with most of these situations, it is against the law to place your hands on someone out of anger. There is no difference if a teacher grabs a kid and jerks him or her out of the seat out of anger. Why the anger, does it get results, rarely in this day and age. Companies push harassment and tolerance in the work place and the school system should be held to the same standard, my believe is actually higher than the standard, they are educating our kids after all. School should be a safe haven and for a coach or teacher to get angry to a point where they have to act out physically, try that in the work place and see what happens. We talk about teaching kids lessons, how about patience. We talk about teaching kids things that they can take into adulthood, screaming and yelling is the lesson to be taught? You can say what you want but it takes a brave parent to step up like this, after all it is her right to voice her opinion. For the school board to blow her off and act like she is being bothersome, they need to remember who voted them in and the can be voted out.
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