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Post by moneyball on Jan 9, 2018 11:15:46 GMT -5
I saw where willard swore in their new board member, willoughby, also swore back in Cok and Danhoff. I also saw where Chris Rothaar is now the new school board president. I sure hope that rothaar does not have the same relationship with ritz that rod had. rothaar was voted in on change, i remember him talking at a town hall meeting and saying all the things he wanted to change. he was been in 2 years and we haven't saw him lead yet or get the changes done he promised during his campaign 2 years ago. lets hope he meant it because he is now in the position to make some real change and hold people accountable.
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Post by bossman on Jan 13, 2018 14:11:06 GMT -5
The frustration exists when administration and the school board refuse to hold people accountable. They allow for mediocre and they tolerate excuses so that they avoid difficult conversations. I’m curious as to the auditing tools and evaluation methods used in our current system. This would apply to every employee in the system. Do they conduct peer reviews, actual observations, consider feedback from parents, students, players. Is performance discussed at every encounter?
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Post by moneyball on Jan 13, 2018 17:40:09 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, are the parents accountable for "anything" ? Or is all on the teachers coaches and administration? I think the statement speaks for itself, hold people accountable. This means parents, teachers, admin and themselves. Everyone needs to be held accountable for their part in the education system and the parents play and enormous part in that as well. Follow the guidelines and hold all people accountable.
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Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 19:09:49 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, are the parents accountable for "anything" ? Or is all on the teachers coaches and administration? I think the statement speaks for itself, hold people accountable. This means parents, teachers, admin and themselves. Everyone needs to be held accountable for their part in the education system and the parents play and enormous part in that as well. Follow the guidelines and hold all people accountable. Funny, because I've NEVER seen a school board come together with admin and teachers to hold district parents responsible for the little helions they've brought into the world. Kids deal with an individual teacher an hour a day, five days a week, anywhere from 1-4 years at a time. Parents somehow believe that they influence their children less than teachers, all while many students these days are bringing their parents' sometimes-raging contempt for public school teachers to class with them. Odd, huh?
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Post by bat21 on Jan 21, 2018 11:28:45 GMT -5
Well said ...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 21, 2018 22:20:46 GMT -5
greenman, the same parents think of teachers as nothing more than baby sitters for when they're at work.
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Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2018 23:55:22 GMT -5
greenman, the same parents think of teachers as nothing more than baby sitters for when they're at work. We're all THEIR employees, despite the fact that we pay taxes, too, and we're all overpaid. Does that mean we can pay ourselves less by paying a lower tax rate than the rest of y'all?
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Post by tommygunn on Jan 22, 2018 11:40:40 GMT -5
You guys know there is a chain of command and the BOE is only responsible for so much. These are elected officials who are NOT in the school system daily. If you want better leadership in the school, start by hiring a new principle because that is typically where the buck stops and a failed leader who lets stuff slide will result in a faulty campus.
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Post by wyandot on Jan 25, 2018 13:46:11 GMT -5
speaking of school board...emergency levy for may to raise taxes for a PAC...what happened to the field house? anyone know ?
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Post by moneyball on Jan 25, 2018 14:21:03 GMT -5
speaking of school board...emergency levy for may to raise taxes for a PAC...what happened to the field house? anyone know ? Apparently the 4 performances a year outweighs a need for a field house where it could be used daily. The current cafetorium is good enough for the size of our town. This is crazy that someone is asking taxpayers to foot the bill for a good portion of this. The field house was going to use ZERO tax dollars to build. What was it that Rod Cok said in the paper about the field house "we need to move on this quickly", the wind must have changed.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 25, 2018 16:09:14 GMT -5
Field House is still in play. Patience boys. I think it still happens. The people who committed $$$ are still committed. This fact I know 100%, that you can take to the bank.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 25, 2018 21:43:21 GMT -5
Field House is still in play. Patience boys. I think it still happens. The people who committed $$$ are still committed. This fact I know 100%, that you can take to the bank. Not sure what this means because how do we leapfrog a field house to getting a PAC on the ballot, makes no sense to me whatsoever? I think you are mistaken because the field house had legs way before the PAC discussion and nothing has been done to move the project forward. You can guarantee the support but if the school doesn’t release the funds nothing will get done and they are not planning on doing it.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 26, 2018 8:18:21 GMT -5
This much I can tell you Moneyball, there are significant monies pledged for the field house project. Those are from the Hospital and other individuals in town. That commitment has not changed. It's still there. my personal guess is that it still happens. There are a few other projects that need to happen as well. A bus garage, a board office, and money for the arts and performance center. Where everything ends up being built and the order of those projects,,,,I have a feeling it's not yet determined. Those decisions are not up to me,,I support the Board and those who make those decisions on behalf of WHS. I also choose to look at everything that has been done in the last 3 years: The building of a Beautiful new School campus that is way more efficient in numerous ways. The 2 Gyms inside it are top shelf. ALong with the upgrades to the existing Haas gym. The Track and Field getting a beautiful facelift all around. The Baseball and Softball fields and Tennis Court project is completed and I believe the changes to upgrade those are done. The Football field is now a Turf field which is also beautiful and will be a great thing for our Football teams and Soccer teams. There's just a lot of good things that have been built and there's more to come. I'm not going to complain or question anything being built that improves an already impressive list of completed projects.,,or the order in which they happen.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 10:55:23 GMT -5
This much I can tell you Moneyball, there are significant monies pledged for the field house project. Those are from the Hospital and other individuals in town. That commitment has not changed. It's still there. my personal guess is that it still happens. There are a few other projects that need to happen as well. A bus garage, a board office, and money for the arts and performance center. Where everything ends up being built and the order of those projects,,,,I have a feeling it's not yet determined. Those decisions are not up to me,,I support the Board and those who make those decisions on behalf of WHS. I also choose to look at everything that has been done in the last 3 years: The building of a Beautiful new School campus that is way more efficient in numerous ways. The 2 Gyms inside it are top shelf. ALong with the upgrades to the existing Haas gym. The Track and Field getting a beautiful facelift all around. The Baseball and Softball fields and Tennis Court project is completed and I believe the changes to upgrade those are done. The Football field is now a Turf field which is also beautiful and will be a great thing for our Football teams and Soccer teams. There's just a lot of good things that have been built and there's more to come. I'm not going to complain or question anything being built that improves an already impressive list of completed projects.,,or the order in which they happen. Hold on, I'm not saying there are not some good things that have happened over the last few years, that is evident but a majority of these things have been due to the taxpayers approving them and paying for them. What I'm saying is why does the PAC jump over the field house when it is obvious the field house would be used more, generate a ton of revenue for the school and help with getting our teams better (more revenue would be generated there too because better means bigger crowds). Lets not kid ourselves, this is a business and you have to generate income to survive, you of anyone should know that. I like how you see the positive in everything and I can appreciate it but take one project at a time and stop catering to those that yell the loudest on any given day, look at the economics. This town needs a FH before a PAC, IMO.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 26, 2018 12:58:42 GMT -5
I'm not gonna agree with you that building decisions need to be based on Revenue streams at a public HS. The situation you are describing works at a "for profit business" that is looking to generate cash flow. WHS is not that type of situation at all. They need to make decision that effect the kids, and all the kids whenever possible. Not just the athletes, and that's coming from a guy who played sports and did nothing within the PAC except watch occasionally. My kids were involved in both aspects. All that being said, I wanna see the Sports teams do well because I care a lot about them. But,,I don't wanna do that at the expense of kids who have zero athletic ability, but tons of ability that involves the PAC. There must be a reason why they want to put more into it, I'm sure it's a valid reason rather than appeasing one person who is "yelling the loudest".
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 14:41:19 GMT -5
I'm not gonna agree with you that building decisions need to be based on Revenue streams at a public HS. The situation you are describing works at a "for profit business" that is looking to generate cash flow. WHS is not that type of situation at all. They need to make decision that effect the kids, and all the kids whenever possible. Not just the athletes, and that's coming from a guy who played sports and did nothing within the PAC except watch occasionally. My kids were involved in both aspects. All that being said, I wanna see the Sports teams do well because I care a lot about them. But,,I don't wanna do that at the expense of kids who have zero athletic ability, but tons of ability that involves the PAC. There must be a reason why they want to put more into it, I'm sure it's a valid reason rather than appeasing one person who is "yelling the loudest". [ Just appears backwards to me since they already have a venue to use for this stuff. I’m not trying to shortchange the arts, saying they can’t flip flop when they have the resources to build a FH and the support, non-tax dollars at that, they should have already broken ground.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 26, 2018 15:23:18 GMT -5
Sometimes we need to step back, count our blessings, and think about the people that don't value the same things that we do maybe. I'm not sure what is up with all that is in the works. I know where I stand, and that is i'm in agreement that we need the FH. I'm ready to do my part to help make it happen when the time comes because I want our WHS kids to be successful. Even those who do not play sports.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 15:34:00 GMT -5
I'm not gonna agree with you that building decisions need to be based on Revenue streams at a public HS. The situation you are describing works at a "for profit business" that is looking to generate cash flow. WHS is not that type of situation at all. They need to make decision that effect the kids, and all the kids whenever possible. Not just the athletes, and that's coming from a guy who played sports and did nothing within the PAC except watch occasionally. My kids were involved in both aspects. All that being said, I wanna see the Sports teams do well because I care a lot about them. But,,I don't wanna do that at the expense of kids who have zero athletic ability, but tons of ability that involves the PAC. There must be a reason why they want to put more into it, I'm sure it's a valid reason rather than appeasing one person who is "yelling the loudest". Generating revenue helps, a ton. The school made about $10,000 on the April Fools Tournament weekend alone, that is one tournament. Imagine the things that could be done to help the school if they were generating that kind of money.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 26, 2018 15:55:53 GMT -5
no worries man, it'll all work out in good time.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 18:04:17 GMT -5
no worries man, it'll all work out in good time. [br The levy is as good as passed. Ritz states “this is good for the farmers and the retirees will not be taxed.” So, why an emergency levy for a PAC but not one for a FH when it was brought up. I know Beebe is pushing but come on.
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Post by wyandot on Jan 27, 2018 8:02:27 GMT -5
no worries man, it'll all work out in good time. it will all work out, right....so we pay taxes....we listen to cok on the board say we need to push this field house through...we are getting an emergency levy to increase taxes when if we had one smart person on that board they would of done it the other way around...used the left over money from the school built the field house, hosted tournaments, brought in revenue and use it to build a PAC...everyone is happy the school has both buildings, all kids benefit and the tax payers don't have to contribute another cent.....how could no one see this? a PAC is an good thing but it onlys brings in revenue 4 or 5 days a year where as a field house can host basketball, indoor running area weight room and many other advantages.
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 27, 2018 12:38:19 GMT -5
no worries man, it'll all work out in good time. [br The levy is as good as passed. Ritz states “this is good for the farmers and the retirees will not be taxed.” So, why an emergency levy for a PAC but not one for a FH when it was brought up. I know Beebe is pushing but come on. This is an income tax? Worst school tax ever if it is.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 27, 2018 15:01:21 GMT -5
[br The levy is as good as passed. Ritz states “this is good for the farmers and the retirees will not be taxed.” So, why an emergency levy for a PAC but not one for a FH when it was brought up. I know Beebe is pushing but come on. This is an income tax? Worst school tax ever if it is. It is an EMERGENCY tax! What constitutes this to be an emergency?
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 27, 2018 15:20:32 GMT -5
Is it property or income? Income taxes put the burden on fewer people.
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Post by erictrump on Jan 27, 2018 22:51:15 GMT -5
no worries man, it'll all work out in good time. it will all work out, right....so we pay taxes....we listen to cok on the board say we need to push this field house through...we are getting an emergency levy to increase taxes when if we had one smart person on that board they would of done it the other way around...used the left over money from the school built the field house, hosted tournaments, brought in revenue and use it to build a PAC...everyone is happy the school has both buildings, all kids benefit and the tax payers don't have to contribute another cent.....how could no one see this? a PAC is an good thing but it onlys brings in revenue 4 or 5 days a year where as a field house can host basketball, indoor running area weight room and many other advantages. If only you had gotten a few more votes then you could've been on that board. Take lessons from my dad on how to run a campaign. Just don't get Russia involved. Oops, did I say that? Crap.
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Post by Kim Jong-un on Jan 28, 2018 7:10:00 GMT -5
The best way to get a PAC is to save money by rationing the food. When a child buys a pizza only give them 1/4th of a pizza, that's a 75% profit and in no time you will have the money for a PAC. If you think you will get in trouble then call in Lester Holt from NBC. Stage some fat kids for Lester Holt and he will run a piece on NBC about how well fed the Willard kids are and you can deflect the fact that you are rationing the food.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 28, 2018 7:25:12 GMT -5
Wyandot--you want to-pay for a PAC with AAU tourney revenue? Good Luck Sir, I hope your weekends are free for the next 20 years, unless you have a bank ready to finance that scenario. Gonna have a tough time getting people to volunteer to run it too,, when they know none of the $$$ stays in the Athletic Dept.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 28, 2018 8:31:24 GMT -5
Wyandot--you want to-pay for a PAC with AAU tourney revenue? Good Luck Sir, I hope your weekends are free for the next 20 years, unless you have a bank ready to finance that scenario. Gonna have a tough time getting people to volunteer to run it too,, when they know none of the $$$ stays in the Athletic Dept. Buckeyekid, lets think this one through, you and I. If a field house is paid for by a portion of the schools left over $$$, donations from people like yourself and a portion from the boosters we could have it build in say, a couple years. The PAC could be a Four year plan for the school, this gives beebe time to raise her portion of the money, privately i believe she stated. So, the FH is built and the school can run massive tournaments, not just AAU BB tournaments, they can run volleyball, wrestling and even indoor track. The school gets the gate while the boosters gets the concession money. All teams are given one weekend to work. say you have 15 of these a year and the gate is $10k and concession is $5k, this gives the school $150,000 and the boosters $75,000. The money boosters makes goes back to the teams anyhow so the school uses their $150,000 to start build that bank for the PAC.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 28, 2018 8:31:46 GMT -5
Wyandot--you want to-pay for a PAC with AAU tourney revenue? Good Luck Sir, I hope your weekends are free for the next 20 years, unless you have a bank ready to finance that scenario. Gonna have a tough time getting people to volunteer to run it too,, when they know none of the $$$ stays in the Athletic Dept. Buckeyekid, lets think this one through, you and I. If a field house is paid for by a portion of the schools left over $$$, donations from people like yourself and a portion from the boosters we could have it build in say, a couple years. The PAC could be a Four year plan for the school, this gives beebe time to raise her portion of the money, privately i believe she stated. So, the FH is built and the school can run massive tournaments, not just AAU BB tournaments, they can run volleyball, wrestling and even indoor track. The school gets the gate while the boosters gets the concession money. All teams are given one weekend to work. say you have 15 of these a year and the gate is $10k and concession is $5k, this gives the school $150,000 and the boosters $75,000. The money boosters makes goes back to the teams anyhow so the school uses their $150,000 to start building that bank for the PAC. Imagine the economic boom this could cause in this city with 1000 extra people here 1-2 weekends a month? .
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 28, 2018 9:05:25 GMT -5
That is a very Noble idea. I think you may be getting ahead of yourself a little bit though. Is there even a drawing of the field house? I have no idea what will even be in it once completed. For hypothetical purposes, if it does have all that, man that would be an incredible amount of time invested for a number of folks from the school to manage it. Your illustration shows 15 weekends, I don't think thats' gonna fly.
There's also a pretty significant amount of people who feel an indoor pool should be on the wish list for the swim team.
I guess once I looked at all the money pouring into sports related building projects that have already been done, I think it's a bit selfish to not consider the other part of the student body. I'm still all in on the personal side of investing in the future of the school and the kids, but I'm not going to decide for the School what gets done first and who pays for it.
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