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Post by Rambo McClain on Jan 10, 2018 9:07:24 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious Tate Martell is going to win the starting gig. All the wrong people are saying Haskins, which means Martell is the man. Tate Martell has Braxton Miller agility Tate Martell has Baker Mayfield guts Tate Martell has 10 times the arm of JT Barrett (instead of just 5 yard throws, Tate can throw it 50) Get him in now Tate Martell 45-0 as a High School QB at Bishop Gorman His Senior year - 41 passing TD's, 21 rushing TD's - 62 TD's accounted for in 15 games. And that's vs ELITE HS competition.2014 Bishop Gorman ranked #4 in the Nation according to Cal Preps - 15-0 led by Tate Martell 2015 Bishop Gorman ranked #7 in the Nation according to Cal Preps - 15-0 led by Tate Martell 2016 Bishop Gorman ranked #1 in the Nation according to Cal Preps - 15-0 led by Tate Martell calpreps.com/2016/ratings/National_all25.htmHere are the National Top 100 opponents that Tate Martell beat in 2016 #2 St John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) #7 St Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale, FL) #36 Cedar Hill, TX #55 Kahuku, HI #73 Cocoa, FL #78 Liberty (Henderson, NV) -- They beat them (84-8) - Tate shredded a Top 100 team by nearly 80 He wasn't putting up numbers vs Vermilion, he was doing it against the Nations best To put it in perspective 3 Ohio Teams cracked the Top 25 in 2016 St Xavier (16), Colerain (20) and St Ignatius (21) Let the Tate Martell era commence
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jan 10, 2018 9:22:06 GMT -5
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Post by 4 on Jan 10, 2018 14:27:40 GMT -5
with you on this one , i really want martell to win the job. he’s gotten stronger and faster as well. Urban and coaches thought about putting him in the UM game after barrett went down, but didn’t wanna throw a redshirt away. he is to good to not see the field next year. if doesn’t win qb battle he will get on the field at h back or designed plays i’ve read. we’ll see. but go tate, hope this is our next qb.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 10, 2018 15:46:37 GMT -5
i hope he sticks man, he is electric
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 11, 2018 14:38:35 GMT -5
I hope there is a Tate Martell era.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 11, 2018 16:16:50 GMT -5
Now Rambo Vogel is a Haskins hater after him being his boy all last year and after pitching him as the Michigan game savior. Rambo Vogel, THE ficklest of the fickle. Maybe he changed allegiances after he say the first poll on Favorites for the 2019 Heisman. There are FOUR Big Ten QB's rated significantly higher than Haskins. Which at this point does not bode well for the Ohio State TEAM next year. I think Martel could be Urban's favorite. He wouldn't have to change his offense any and Urban has always said a good running QB is THE key to the success of his offense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:33:42 GMT -5
I think #2 Hurst kid QB from Alabama looked like a smaller version of JT Barrett IV, Urban Meyer seems to like that type. He should transfer immediately, He ain't gonna play anymore at Bama, Since the hawaiian kid gave Nick Saban an ultimatum at halftime.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 11, 2018 17:42:58 GMT -5
Now Rambo Vogel is a Haskins hater after him being his boy all last year and after pitching him as the Michigan game savior. Rambo Vogel, THE ficklest of the fickle. Maybe he changed allegiances after he say the first poll on Favorites for the 2019 Heisman. There are FOUR Big Ten QB's rated significantly higher than Haskins. Which at this point does not bode well for the Ohio State TEAM next year. I think Martel could be Urban's favorite. He wouldn't have to change his offense any and Urban has always said a good running QB is THE key to the success of his offense. he didn't bring up Haskins, you did sounded like a pro-Tate post, not an anti-Haskins post...you're the one who has to bash successful QBs to make Barrett look ok
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 11, 2018 23:36:17 GMT -5
EXACTLY Ding Dong! He said NOTHING about Haskins. EVERYTHING in that post was about who he NOW wants to be the next QB at Ohio State, Tate Martel. It was never about his love for Haskins, it was about his hate for JT.
You better get on the new Rambo Vogel train, it's left the station. You guys are joined at the hip when it comes to the Ohio State QBs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 6:08:03 GMT -5
I don't understand why someone calls it "hate" when you make a choice. If you go to Pizza Hut, must it be because you HATE Dominos. OR maybe you just think it is better. If you choose Coke why must you HATE Pepsi. Or is it you just like Coke better. Admitting you may have a better option on the bench when things are not going well is a good sign of competition and great recruiting by a college staff. As Saban showed in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 12, 2018 10:34:08 GMT -5
I don't understand why someone calls it "hate" when you make a choice. If you go to Pizza Hut, must it be because you HATE Dominos. OR maybe you just think it is better. If you choose Coke why must you HATE Pepsi. Or is it you just like Coke better. Admitting you may have a better option on the bench when things are not going well is a good sign of competition and great recruiting by a college staff. As Saban showed in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Attempting to correlate Saban's actions with Urban Meyer and his coaching decisions is beyond me. Some of the persistently, nasty comments towards J.T. Barrett by some on here, tends to move into the realm of hate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 11:33:07 GMT -5
I don't understand why someone calls it "hate" when you make a choice. If you go to Pizza Hut, must it be because you HATE Dominos. OR maybe you just think it is better. If you choose Coke why must you HATE Pepsi. Or is it you just like Coke better. Admitting you may have a better option on the bench when things are not going well is a good sign of competition and great recruiting by a college staff. As Saban showed in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Attempting to correlate Saban's actions with Urban Meyer and his coaching decisions is beyond me. Some of the persistently, nasty comments towards J.T. Barrett by some on here, tends to move into the realm of hate. How is it hate to feel someone else can do better? Saying a nasty comment about someone's playing ability does not equate hatred. When you proposed to your wife did it mean you hated every other woman in the world? I've liked Jt and what he did for OSU but at times I did not feel he was the best option. It's not personal, it's ability and performance or lack of. As a coach you preach loyalty, commitment and confidence. All three can be tested when you pull a player and replace him. Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that maybe Urban felt JT could not handle it and he would be even less confident with his passing if pulled? Food for thought.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 12, 2018 12:15:35 GMT -5
Attempting to correlate Saban's actions with Urban Meyer and his coaching decisions is beyond me. Some of the persistently, nasty comments towards J.T. Barrett by some on here, tends to move into the realm of hate. How is it hate to feel someone else can do better? Saying a nasty comment about someone's playing ability does not equate hatred. When you proposed to your wife did it mean you hated every other woman in the world? I've liked Jt and what he did for OSU but at times I did not feel he was the best option. It's not personal, it's ability and performance or lack of. As a coach you preach loyalty, commitment and confidence. All three can be tested when you pull a player and replace him. Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that maybe Urban felt JT could not handle it and he would be even less confident with his passing if pulled? Food for thought. Expressing one's opinions or feelings on a subject does not equate to hatred. The constant barrage of belittlements and personal attacks on the player, even attacking his personal life gets into the realm of hatred. Quite frankly, never encountered a game this year that would have justified the benching of our starting QB and obviously, the coaching staff didn't as well.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 12, 2018 13:52:19 GMT -5
EXACTLY Ding Dong! He said NOTHING about Haskins. EVERYTHING in that post was about who he NOW wants to be the next QB at Ohio State, Tate Martel. It was never about his love for Haskins, it was about his hate for JT. You better get on the new Rambo Vogel train, it's left the station. You guys are joined at the hip when it comes to the Ohio State QBs. well duh, we would have been thrilled with Burrows or Haskins or Tate, anyone but Barrett Captain Obvious over here.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 12, 2018 14:06:58 GMT -5
Attempting to correlate Saban's actions with Urban Meyer and his coaching decisions is beyond me. Some of the persistently, nasty comments towards J.T. Barrett by some on here, tends to move into the realm of hate. How is it hate to feel someone else can do better? Saying a nasty comment about someone's playing ability does not equate hatred. When you proposed to your wife did it mean you hated every other woman in the world? I've liked Jt and what he did for OSU but at times I did not feel he was the best option. It's not personal, it's ability and performance or lack of. As a coach you preach loyalty, commitment and confidence. All three can be tested when you pull a player and replace him. Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that maybe Urban felt JT could not handle it and he would be even less confident with his passing if pulled? Food for thought. Maybe you have hate colored glasses. Those who support ALL Ohio starters and coaches have been accused of hating Cardale and Haskins. Those who want a back up to replace a starter have seen ZERO MINUTES of practice and have ZERO MINUTES of head or assistant coaching experience at a Top Five program. IF Urban Meyer and offensive coordinators had decided a change was called for at QB I would have supported it 100%. REGARDLESS of who the starting QB is next year I will support the coaches decision and the new QB 100%.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 12, 2018 14:10:36 GMT -5
EXACTLY Ding Dong! He said NOTHING about Haskins. EVERYTHING in that post was about who he NOW wants to be the next QB at Ohio State, Tate Martel. It was never about his love for Haskins, it was about his hate for JT. You better get on the new Rambo Vogel train, it's left the station. You guys are joined at the hip when it comes to the Ohio State QBs. well duh, we would have been thrilled with Burrows or Haskins or Tate, anyone but Barrett Captain Obvious over here. I support ALL starters and one of the best coaching staffs in college football as opposed to those of your ilk who have NEVER coached at this level and NEVER seen a minute of Ohio State practice. Logic ALWAYS trumps Emotion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 15:09:28 GMT -5
How is it hate to feel someone else can do better? Saying a nasty comment about someone's playing ability does not equate hatred. When you proposed to your wife did it mean you hated every other woman in the world? I've liked Jt and what he did for OSU but at times I did not feel he was the best option. It's not personal, it's ability and performance or lack of. As a coach you preach loyalty, commitment and confidence. All three can be tested when you pull a player and replace him. Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that maybe Urban felt JT could not handle it and he would be even less confident with his passing if pulled? Food for thought. Expressing one's opinions or feelings on a subject does not equate to hatred. The constant barrage of belittlements and personal attacks on the player, even attacking his personal life gets into the realm of hatred. Quite frankly, never encountered a game this year that would have justified the benching of our starting QB and obviously, the coaching staff didn't as well. Expressing your opinion of what you have encountered is accepted, even if not agreed with. But I do not see it as hatred unless you are saying that you supported a player and hated the others on the roster. Again, belittling a player's abilities or lack of is not a personal attack. Quite frankly, going into every game knowing the entire playbook is not an option, specifically the downfield throws, is justification for me to consider a change at times to a player that was recruited to sling the ball down field. I understand the coaches call the plays but we all know that players in this offense make reads and decisions on what to do with the ball.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 12, 2018 16:15:35 GMT -5
Expressing one's opinions or feelings on a subject does not equate to hatred. The constant barrage of belittlements and personal attacks on the player, even attacking his personal life gets into the realm of hatred. Quite frankly, never encountered a game this year that would have justified the benching of our starting QB and obviously, the coaching staff didn't as well. Expressing your opinion of what you have encountered is accepted, even if not agreed with. But I do not see it as hatred unless you are saying that you supported a player and hated the others on the roster. Again, belittling a player's abilities or lack of is not a personal attack. Quite frankly, going into every game knowing the entire playbook is not an option, specifically the downfield throws, is justification for me to consider a change at times to a player that was recruited to sling the ball down field. I understand the coaches call the plays but we all know that players in this offense make reads and decisions on what to do with the ball. Either way, no big deal. Time to look forward to next year and I'm optimistic all of us will be more in agreement next season.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 12, 2018 19:12:47 GMT -5
well duh, we would have been thrilled with Burrows or Haskins or Tate, anyone but Barrett Captain Obvious over here. I support ALL starters and one of the best coaching staffs in college football as opposed to those of your ilk who have NEVER coached at this level and NEVER seen a minute of Ohio State practice. Logic ALWAYS trumps Emotion. Captain Kirk proved this wrong every episode sir.
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Post by cbus on Jan 13, 2018 13:08:26 GMT -5
Tate Martell looks like he ran a few read options in that highlight reel which is a good thing in an Urban Meyer offense. He's only 5'11" so not a typical drop back passer. It seems if he starts, he may be JT Barrett with a better arm but not as good a runner. Haskins seems to me like more of a pro style offense QB but also athletic. Kind of like Cardale Jones. It will be good to have options at QB in 2018.
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Post by 4 on Jan 13, 2018 15:10:10 GMT -5
tate will develop into a better running qb then barrett, faster, more athletic, break away speed, he can cut better. not much of a debate there
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 13, 2018 15:35:34 GMT -5
i have to imagine that trying to defend a read-option with Martell and Dobbins would be a bit challenging
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Post by cbus on Jan 14, 2018 8:57:34 GMT -5
How fast is Martell?
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Post by 1percenter on Jan 14, 2018 9:48:06 GMT -5
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 14, 2018 10:17:22 GMT -5
he's not Ted Ginn but his straight-line speed is fast enough, i think the more dynamic dimension he possesses is that he has quickness, he has twitch, and he can THROW THE BALL, so when OSU runs a pass/run option (like Nick Foles was doing yesterday to some success) folks will have to honor the pass, especially deep
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 14, 2018 13:41:55 GMT -5
tate will develop into a better running qb then barrett, faster, more athletic, break away speed, he can cut better. not much of a debate there Not on 3rd and 1 or 2. Dobbins is 205, Martell 205, Barrett 225. No Zeke type tailbacks on the roster. Braxton had 245 Carlos Hyde to hand the ball to when they needed a yard. Means more passes on short yardage situations next year. We'll have to see if the conversion rate will be as good.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 15, 2018 7:29:41 GMT -5
i'd rather have Greg Frey running on 3rd and 1 than JT Barrett
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 15, 2018 7:49:45 GMT -5
i'd rather have Greg Frey running on 3rd and 1 than JT Barrett Barrett was a master of the read option and always got the tough yardage when it was needed most.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jan 15, 2018 8:40:55 GMT -5
i'd rather have Greg Frey running on 3rd and 1 than JT Barrett Barrett was a master of the read option and always got the tough yardage when it was needed most. Not in 2015 vs MSU when he ball hogged it from Zeke and the offense sputtered because of it. 2018 is going to be very exciting for the first time in years we will get to see all those studs Urban recruited instead of watching #16 ball hog it from them.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 15, 2018 10:47:31 GMT -5
The offensive strategy is mapped out by the coaching staff and plays are sent in from the sidelines during the course of the game. I sure agree with you on 2018!
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