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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 11:15:18 GMT -5
Why is it that people defend a QB running a READ offense by saying the coaches call the plays? Coaches do call plays but in a READ offense the QB makes the decision on what the outcome of the play will be. This type of offense can also cause some inconsistency in offensive line play since they do not know the exact result of the action behind them. I understand with a read offense the O-line can be inconsistent and that players may not see their full game potential if the QB makes some bad reads. These reads are not only based on handing the ball off or not. There are also WR matchups that are looked by the QB to pass, hand off or keep for a QB run. Plays are called by coach but a READ offense is mainly based on QB decisions. And last season's QB was limited in what he could do so his decisions limited others as well.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 15, 2018 12:12:07 GMT -5
yeah it was everyone's fault but Barrett's, we're familiar with your narrative
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 17, 2018 22:10:46 GMT -5
Why is it that people defend a QB running a READ offense by saying the coaches call the plays? Coaches do call plays but in a READ offense the QB makes the decision on what the outcome of the play will be. This type of offense can also cause some inconsistency in offensive line play since they do not know the exact result of the action behind them. I understand with a read offense the O-line can be inconsistent and that players may not see their full game potential if the QB makes some bad reads. These reads are not only based on handing the ball off or not. There are also WR matchups that are looked by the QB to pass, hand off or keep for a QB run. Plays are called by coach but a READ offense is mainly based on QB decisions. And last season's QB was limited in what he could do so his decisions limited others as well. If the QB usually does not make the proper read, how in the heck does he gain 3263 yards with a 5.3 yards/carry average and 43 TDs?? The O-line does not have to worry "what's happening behind them". They all have specific blocking assignments regardless what read is made. <iframe width="22.160000000000082" height="4.539999999999992" style="position: absolute; width: 22.16px; height: 4.54px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1046px; top: -253px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_38577087"></iframe> <iframe width="22.160000000000082" height="4.539999999999992" style="position: absolute; width: 22.16px; height: 4.54px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -80px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_53697488"></iframe> <iframe width="22.160000000000082" height="4.539999999999992" style="position: absolute; width: 22.16px; height: 4.54px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1046px; top: -80px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_43796566"></iframe> There is a HUGE difference between a run read option and a run pass read option. Specific play calls, that again the o-line has specific assignments on.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 18, 2018 7:53:13 GMT -5
Why is it that people defend a QB running a READ offense by saying the coaches call the plays? Coaches do call plays but in a READ offense the QB makes the decision on what the outcome of the play will be. This type of offense can also cause some inconsistency in offensive line play since they do not know the exact result of the action behind them. I understand with a read offense the O-line can be inconsistent and that players may not see their full game potential if the QB makes some bad reads. These reads are not only based on handing the ball off or not. There are also WR matchups that are looked by the QB to pass, hand off or keep for a QB run. Plays are called by coach but a READ offense is mainly based on QB decisions. And last season's QB was limited in what he could do so his decisions limited others as well. If the QB usually does not make the proper read, how in the heck does he gain 3263 yards with a 5.3 yards/carry average and 43 TDs?? The O-line does not have to worry "what's happening behind them". They all have specific blocking assignments regardless what read is made. <iframe width="22.160000000000082" height="4.539999999999992" style="position: absolute; width: 22.16px; height: 4.54px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1046px; top: -253px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_38577087"></iframe> <iframe width="22.160000000000082" height="4.539999999999992" style="position: absolute; width: 22.16px; height: 4.54px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -80px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_53697488"></iframe> <iframe width="22.160000000000082" height="4.539999999999992" style="position: absolute; width: 22.16px; height: 4.54px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1046px; top: -80px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_43796566"></iframe> There is a HUGE difference between a run read option and a run pass read option. Specific play calls, that again the o-line has specific assignments on. he beats up on Rutgers and UNLV and does nothing vs good teams? WIN
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 9:33:29 GMT -5
Torch, it's a typical response taking everything to the extreme and spinning it to fit an argument. I never implied the player made the wrong read every time. But blaming bad plays on the coaches and crediting good results on the player's reading the defense seems a bit ridiculous. It's called the READ Offense for a reason.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 18, 2018 14:55:25 GMT -5
Torch, it's a typical response taking everything to the extreme and spinning it to fit an argument. I never implied the player made the wrong read every time. But blaming bad plays on the coaches and crediting good results on the player's reading the defense seems a bit ridiculous. It's called the READ Offense for a reason. So, just when have you acquired this unique ability to identify 'bad' plays and ability to specifically, attribute it to either coaches or players? The game of football has more complexities than perhaps any other organized sport. The point I'm making is, things are never quite what they may appear from the average viewer. I myself included.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 16:22:55 GMT -5
Torch, it's a typical response taking everything to the extreme and spinning it to fit an argument. I never implied the player made the wrong read every time. But blaming bad plays on the coaches and crediting good results on the player's reading the defense seems a bit ridiculous. It's called the READ Offense for a reason. So, just when have you acquired this unique ability to identify 'bad' plays and ability to specifically, attribute it to either coaches or players? The game of football has more complexities than perhaps any other organized sport. The point I'm making is, things are never quite what they may appear from the average viewer. I myself included. You are the one who said JT was a "master" of the read option. When did you acquire the unique ability to identify when he made the correct read or when he was simply following orders? The point I am making is we all have that ability that you are questioning.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 18, 2018 16:54:43 GMT -5
So, just when have you acquired this unique ability to identify 'bad' plays and ability to specifically, attribute it to either coaches or players? The game of football has more complexities than perhaps any other organized sport. The point I'm making is, things are never quite what they may appear from the average viewer. I myself included. You are the one who said JT was a "master" of the read option. When did you acquire the unique ability to identify when he made the correct read or when he was simply following orders? The point I am making is we all have that ability that you are questioning. I have no unique abilities to interpret the coaches mindset, know the team playbook, or what transpires during repetitive practice sessions. My viewpoint, as most other fans is strictly from my limited perspective. I don't think Urban was actually quoted with using the term 'master' when extolling his QB's abilities to employ the read option offense, but he has used comparative terms describing his QB. (Kick me in the shins for that)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 21:34:30 GMT -5
My abilities are the same as yours so I guess we both have an opinion. i'd rather have Greg Frey running on 3rd and 1 than JT Barrett Barrett was a master of the read option and always got the tough yardage when it was needed most. Sorry if I did not read that as an Urban Meyer quote.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 19, 2018 0:01:13 GMT -5
Torch, it's a typical response taking everything to the extreme and spinning it to fit an argument. I never implied the player made the wrong read every time. But blaming bad plays on the coaches and crediting good results on the player's reading the defense seems a bit ridiculous. It's called the READ Offense for a reason. When are FACTS "extreme"? Typical response from a know nothing nobody. Since when are FACTS "spin"? Typical of someone on the losing end of a debate. DO NOT LIE! Show us where I said anything about "every time" I DARE YOU. Typical of a LOSER. Good reads or bad reads. A FACT, when the QB had 3263 yards rushing. Running backs had 10,050 yards. No ball hog, not many bad reads, something must have been working.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 19, 2018 0:11:44 GMT -5
If the QB usually does not make the proper read, how in the heck does he gain 3263 yards with a 5.3 yards/carry average and 43 TDs?? The O-line does not have to worry "what's happening behind them". They all have specific blocking assignments regardless what read is made. <iframe width="22.160000000000082" height="4.539999999999992" style="position: absolute; width: 22.16px; height: 4.54px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1046px; top: -253px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_38577087"></iframe> <iframe width="22.160000000000082" height="4.539999999999992" style="position: absolute; width: 22.16px; height: 4.54px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -80px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_53697488"></iframe> <iframe width="22.160000000000082" height="4.539999999999992" style="position: absolute; width: 22.16px; height: 4.54px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1046px; top: -80px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_43796566"></iframe> There is a HUGE difference between a run read option and a run pass read option. Specific play calls, that again the o-line has specific assignments on. he beats up on Rutgers and UNLV and does nothing vs good teams? WIN There you go again. Putting out untruths with ZERO research. Don't Doctors have to do some homework along the way to get a Dr. before their name?? Compared to a LAZY you, I do A LOT of homework. Discounting the Rutgers and UNLVs over the past 4 years. In 22 "big games" out of 56. Such as: Michigan, Power Five Conference games and games against top 20 teams. The QB gained 2082 out of of the 3263. Only 1181 yards were gained in 34 games against the tomato cans. AND running backs gained over twice as many yards in those big games compared to the QB.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 19, 2018 7:29:53 GMT -5
My abilities are the same as yours so I guess we both have an opinion. Barrett was a master of the read option and always got the tough yardage when it was needed most. Sorry if I did not read that as an Urban Meyer quote. I always respect what you have to say, whether we may agree or disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 7:52:44 GMT -5
Respect is appreciated and mutual.
I feel we agree with the support of JT, but feel we disagree when it comes seeing his abilities as a total dual threat QB and at times he was not the best option for a talented offensive team.
Moving on to Tate.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 19, 2018 18:03:38 GMT -5
he beats up on Rutgers and UNLV and does nothing vs good teams? WIN There you go again. Putting out untruths with ZERO research. Don't Doctors have to do some homework along the way to get a Dr. before their name?? Compared to LAZY you I do A LOT of homework. Discounting the Rutgers and UNLVs over the past 4 years. In 22 "big games" out of 56. Such as: Michigan, Power Five Conference games and games against top 20 teams. The QB gained 2082 out of of the 3263. Only 1181 yards were gained in 34 games against the tomato cans. AND running backs gained over twice as many yards in those big games compared to the QB. Rutgers is in a Power 5 Conference boss.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 19, 2018 18:31:50 GMT -5
A WEAK counter, proof of a LOSER of a debate.
Rutgers is a bottom feeder in the same league Ohio State plays in. PAY ATTENTION underling, I said they were discounted as was UNLV, the other team you mentioned. Discounted as well as the other 32 tomato cans. Leaving only the 22 games of substance over the past 4 seasons, that JT played in. PROVING that the vast majority of yards gained rushing came against top teams, not your Rutgers and UNLVs. Proving beyond a doubt, that your FAKE NEWS and not researched guess was erroneous.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 20, 2018 6:01:14 GMT -5
it was your point not mine
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 20, 2018 23:31:03 GMT -5
it was your point not mine YOU were the one that made a foolishly unsubstantiated claim that used Rutgers and UNLV as examples of the games that JT gained most of his rushing yardage against. I did MY homework and proved that haters will bloviate without substance.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 21, 2018 9:13:52 GMT -5
and you said you counted games against Power-5 Conference Opponents, of which Rutgers is one
again, your words, not mine
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 21, 2018 22:06:32 GMT -5
and you said you counted games against Power-5 Conference Opponents, of which Rutgers is one again, your words, not mine Obviously outside of league games. Maryland, Indiana, Nebraska, Illinois and Minnesota are also in the Big Ten and they're tomato cans as well. If you're incapable of recognizing the intent of Power 5 Conference games, meaning early season NON-league games like VaTech and Oklahoma, then you're beyond help. If this is all you've got, then you're a bigger LOSER than first thought in this debate.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 22, 2018 5:45:36 GMT -5
Say what you mean instead of meaning what you say Alice.
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Post by tommygunn on Jan 22, 2018 11:32:12 GMT -5
The cuk gobbling JT continues on. Jesus let it go, hes gone, time for some new blood that can throw.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 23, 2018 0:09:25 GMT -5
Say what you mean instead of meaning what you say Alice. Opra, if you were as wise as you purport, Shirley, even you could figure this out. The weakest retort in the history of NCoast.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 23, 2018 0:10:06 GMT -5
The cuk gobbling JT continues on. Jesus let it go, hes gone, time for some new blood that can throw. ^^homogunn,^^ is back. If you had half an intellect, instead of an ignorant ugly mouth, you would be able to read and comprehend that it is not I who is continuing, it's the haters. I just respond to unsubstantiated untruths.
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Post by buckeyekid on May 14, 2018 5:49:15 GMT -5
I think he will get on the field this year for sure. Possibly not even in the same capacity for which he came to OSU. I mean if the guy wants to play in the NFL it won't be as a QB. Needs to be like a Julian Edelman type of player. Either way with him in the backfield while still with Haskins could give defenses plenty to think about. I think if our O-line can protect and jell TOSU will put up monster points on the scoreboard. Feels like our skill positions that being RB and WR and TE are fully stocked going into the season. For the first time since Cardale, we may actually use to it's full capacity.
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Post by sportsjock on May 14, 2018 8:44:29 GMT -5
Tate will see the field this year, let's hope it's not out of necessity. The kid is still a project in the making.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 15:03:20 GMT -5
I think Burrow’s departure may of actually hurt Tate’s chances of playing as a “slash” player this year. If he gets hurt who becomes the backup qb? Some food for thought
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Post by sportsjock on May 14, 2018 16:35:30 GMT -5
I think Burrow’s departure may of actually hurt Tate’s chances of playing as a “slash” player this year. If he gets hurt who becomes the backup qb? Some food for thought Bingo, which gets me back to my previously stated 'concerns' about the QB situation in 2018. "Suddenly, QB has become a major concern for the Buckeyes. To quote '11 Warriors': "His (Burrow's) departure has a bigger ripple effect, however, on the Buckeyes’ depth at the quarterback position, where they could now be one injury away from being in big trouble." Given all the unanswered concerns on Martell and the fact the #3 man, a newly arrived freshman in the rotation is still recovering from the effects of ACL surgery, this is not an encouraging spector going into a long season of play that includes the often brutal, physical play of the Big Ten Conference."
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Post by Mr.BrownFinger on Sept 1, 2018 16:16:08 GMT -5
Haskins just Poop all over the opinions in this thread. 313 yards with 5 td.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 1, 2018 19:32:30 GMT -5
Haskins just Poop all over the opinions in this thread. 313 yards with 5 td. This thread topic is dedicated to Martell. I have yet to see anything that gets me excited about Martell. How many 3rd and longs, that they pulled Tate and inserted Haskins? Obviously, they have zero confidence in him on a passing situation.....at this point.
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Post by Birdman on Sept 1, 2018 23:34:57 GMT -5
His first snap he looked beyond frazzled, Haskins like all my homeboys say is the "truth" that young man is going to take the buckeyes places. Tate if you're listening, sit and watch little guy.
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