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Post by DrTorch on Apr 26, 2018 20:46:24 GMT -5
You think about me a lot don't you?
And you didn't call Ward to the Browns rofl altho i kinda did. Desperation, a chant.
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 9:34:07 GMT -5
Warming up to the Mayfield pick for a couple of reasons, one the kid at least has some balls, and two he isn't Josh Rosen. Yuck.
Browns now have young talent (assuming Baker doesn't bust) at 3 of the most important positions on the field, QB, DB, DE. At least if Mayfield is running around competing and being accurate with his passes that is better than we have had at QB in a long time.
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Post by CEOSouth on Apr 27, 2018 9:55:59 GMT -5
I’m ok with it kind of because of the accuracy but mostly because the pick wasn’t Brandon Weeden.
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 10:02:21 GMT -5
And we don't really have a choice. Ha.
I loved that Weeden montage you posted a few years back. That was classic.
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Post by cbus on Apr 27, 2018 11:17:15 GMT -5
Warming up to the Mayfield pick for a couple of reasons, one the kid at least has some balls, and two he isn't Josh Rosen. Yuck. Browns now have young talent (assuming Baker doesn't bust) at 3 of the most important positions on the field, QB, DB, DE. At least if Mayfield is running around competing and being accurate with his passes that is better than we have had at QB in a long time. Mayfield is short, slow and has an average arm. But I hope he does good.
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Post by tigeralum01 on Apr 27, 2018 11:23:51 GMT -5
Warming up to the Mayfield pick for a couple of reasons, one the kid at least has some balls, and two he isn't Josh Rosen. Yuck. Browns now have young talent (assuming Baker doesn't bust) at 3 of the most important positions on the field, QB, DB, DE. At least if Mayfield is running around competing and being accurate with his passes that is better than we have had at QB in a long time. Mayfield is short, slow and has an average arm. But I hope he does good. I hope he breaks his leg and gets staph infection
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 11:28:01 GMT -5
I think he has an above average arm. His accuracy is unquestioned. I mean, Jamarcus Russell had a cannon...Brees doesn't.
I like Mayfield to a point but I think we could have maybe gotten him at 4? Overall #1 for me I dunno. Hopefully I am wrong. I loved the Trent Richardson pick years ago and he was a joke.
But Baker can sling it around for sure. Big 12 QBs usually suck in the NFL but maybe he can buck the trend. His height and whether he can throw in inclement weather worry me too. I agree there. But his arm talent imho is undeniable.
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Post by fbfan on Apr 27, 2018 14:57:31 GMT -5
Warming up to the Mayfield pick for a couple of reasons, one the kid at least has some balls, and two he isn't Josh Rosen. Yuck. Browns now have young talent (assuming Baker doesn't bust) at 3 of the most important positions on the field, QB, DB, DE. At least if Mayfield is running around competing and being accurate with his passes that is better than we have had at QB in a long time. Mayfield is short, slow and has an average arm. But I hope he does good. My hope is that Mayfield turns into a Brian Sipe type of QB for the Browns. (Yes, I know the game has changed since then, but we can always dream) As far as Ward goes, I think he will be a good, maybe great CB. But didn't the Browns have an All Pro CB for almost the last decade? You can see what that got them. Wasted 4th pick. If they really wanted Ward they could have traded down a few picks, got Ward plus something else. Same old Browns draft I'm afraid.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2018 15:02:48 GMT -5
Mayfield is short, slow and has an average arm. But I hope he does good. I hope he breaks his leg and gets staph infection His 40 time isn't great, but he has the quickest feet I've seen in a QB. Like other "short" QBs...Wilson, Brees, Farve, he's had very few passes batted down. Very good "short" QB's have to learn how to move in the pocket to find windows to throw though. Watch what he did in college. AND he also took snaps and never moved an inch in the pocket and threw it 50 yards in the air on the money for TDs. I hope he gets a couple of O-linemen in the 2nd round. Do you know how tall the Browns starting QB next year is?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2018 15:04:29 GMT -5
Mayfield is short, slow and has an average arm. But I hope he does good. My hope is that Mayfield turns into a Brian Sipe type of QB for the Browns. (Yes, I know the game has changed since then, but we can always dream) As far as Ward goes, I think he will be a good, maybe great CB. But didn't the Browns have an All Pro CB for almost the last decade? You can see what that got them. Wasted 4th pick. If they really wanted Ward they could have traded down a few picks, got Ward plus something else. Same old Browns draft I'm afraid. What makes you think they didn't try to trade down a couple of spots, but didn't get any takers or significant value??
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2018 15:14:11 GMT -5
Warming up to the Mayfield pick for a couple of reasons, one the kid at least has some balls, and two he isn't Josh Rosen. Yuck. Browns now have young talent (assuming Baker doesn't bust) at 3 of the most important positions on the field, QB, DB, DE. At least if Mayfield is running around competing and being accurate with his passes that is better than we have had at QB in a long time. Mayfield is short, slow and has an average arm. But I hope he does good. Mayfield had NO FEAR of Ohio State in the Shoe. Darnold was scared to death of Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl. THE deciding factor for John Dorsey.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2018 15:25:56 GMT -5
You think about me a lot don't you? And you didn't call Ward to the Browns rofl altho i kinda did. Desperation, a chant. I don't think about YOU, just the supercilious(one of my favor sounding words) posts I NEVER EVER "call" things, unless its a sure thing. That way I get to right more often than wrong. You don't remember our debate on the importance of Corner Backs in the NFL? That was the ONLY reason for the mention of Ward.
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 15:59:13 GMT -5
I remember you telling us how Connor Cook led MSU to a win here in Columbus in 2015.
I remember that.
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 16:03:48 GMT -5
And i even called Ward as a possible pick for Cleveland at 4 in the other thread. Where did u call them going with a DB? If we didn't already have Garrett we would have taken Chubb.
Joe Haden sucked, btw. Every time i watched the Brown he was getting torched for a TD
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 16:06:28 GMT -5
Also worth noting Darnold is 20, and Mayfield is 23. Mayfield ran around just as shellshocked when we beat them in OKL in 2016 rofl.
Fillmore you are priceless. Don't ever stop posting.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2018 16:11:48 GMT -5
And i even called Ward as a possible pick for Cleveland at 4 in the other thread. Where did u call them going with a DB? If we didn't already have Garrett we would have taken Chubb. Joe Haden sucked, btw. Every time i watched the Brown he was getting torched for a TD You can't read. As I said, I NEVER EVER "pick" anything. I don't need 1 in 10 to 1 in 100 % chance correct pick to say look at me. It DID NOT matter to me that Ward was picked with the #4 pick. What WAS important was that a CORNER BACK was picked with the 4th pick in the draft. You have a poor memory, if you can't remember our debate on the importance of CBs in the NFL. As for Haden, you must be a whipper snapper if you don't remember him before his his multiple injures.
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 16:49:37 GMT -5
DBs aren't as valued as DEs. What is the debate?
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 16:57:44 GMT -5
Since the draft began 15 DE have gone #1 overall and only #1 DB. That one DB was in 1956.
Surely you aren't so dense as to try to extrapolate from 1 team making 1 pick after they took a DE #1 overall in the previous draft and have a need at DB?
Apparently the phrase "Small Sample Size" hasn't made it's way into your vocabulary yet. My surprise factor is zero, since I have had a Large Sample Size of your posts over the years.
C'mon man. You're better than that. And now Baker Mayfield has quicker feet than Mike Vick. Lawdy lawd. Why weren't you stumping for him all along?
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 17:18:50 GMT -5
tireball.com/nfl/2013/09/13/nfl-salary-date-salaries-by-position-race/Average salary in NFL by position. DE 2nd to QBs, DB 8th. You make this too easy kid. You are so desperate to try and make me look bad it is kind of funny. I don't really need the help. I was stumping for Jonathan Allen in the 2017 Draft thread that South resurrected and I was like " who the eff is Jonathan Allen" lol. Better luck next time <B
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2018 17:52:14 GMT -5
DBs aren't as valued as DEs. What is the debate? If a DE doesn't get to the QB you better have good corners. The first line of defense against a passing game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2018 17:55:55 GMT -5
tireball.com/nfl/2013/09/13/nfl-salary-date-salaries-by-position-race/Average salary in NFL by position. DE 2nd to QBs, DB 8th. You make this too easy kid. You are so desperate to try and make me look bad it is kind of funny. I don't really need the help. I was stumping for Jonathan Allen in the 2017 Draft thread that South resurrected and I was like " who the eff is Jonathan Allen" lol. Better luck next time <B There you go being untruthful again. NO WHERE, ANYWHERE can you find where I said DB. I said CORNER BACKS. The "picker" loses again.
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 18:29:21 GMT -5
LOLZ!!!!!
This is where you should just stop and admit you were wrong. But keep going, the entertainment value is scintillating.
Where is your carefully thought out rebuttal of the 15 overall #1 DEs compared to the 1 DB? If you wanna say CBs aren't DBs then I guess there has never been a CB taken #1. This I gotta hear. I just hand you the shovel and you dig your own grave.
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 18:32:05 GMT -5
DBs aren't as valued as DEs. What is the debate? If a DE doesn't get to the QB you better have good corners. The first line of defense against a passing game. I think the Giants teams that beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl proved the first and best defense against the pass is a ferocious pass rush. Again, this is why DEs are drafted higher and paid more than DBs. (Cornerbacks are DBs boss. Just fyi.)
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2018 20:07:36 GMT -5
Corners get paid A LOT more than Safeties, underling. There are CB coaches AND Safety coaches. Someone who doesn't know the difference between CBs and Safeties is not worthy of this debate. AND lock down Corners are harder to find than DE's.
BTW 6-5 275 svelte, fast, quick, pass rushing DEs AND 6-2 350 middle guards in a 3-5 defense BOTH are D-lineman.
QBs throw 25 passes a game. DE's get 5 sacks a game. Thus Corners have to cover WRs 80% of the time that DEs don't sack the QB. Facts and stats like those of your BFF Rambo
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 20:38:39 GMT -5
Wow. Guards are defensive linemen. Got it. (I think you meant Tackles champ)
You should probably just be quiet now. Adults are talking.
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 20:42:14 GMT -5
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Post by clb6110 on Apr 27, 2018 20:52:36 GMT -5
I wasn't sold entirely on any of the qb's so I'll trust Dorsey I suppose. He watched more film and his team did more research than anyone on this forum so until he f's up like all the past GM's he'll get my pass. Go Baker!! As far as those who think Mayfield is too short... Tyrod Taylor is 3/8" taller and making 16 mil a year. Somebody believed in him too.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2018 21:04:26 GMT -5
EXACTLY, someone should tell the Browns how to run a successful organization. The Browns are losers, typical that another would be holding them up as example of how to do anything. On a winning note, Ohio State/Urban Meyer has had different CB and Safety coaches. If you were up on Football in Ohio you would know better.
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 27, 2018 21:19:27 GMT -5
You're on an NFL thread boss.
Want me to link you to NE's coaching staff or are you done?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2018 21:27:29 GMT -5
Wow. Guards are defensive linemen. Got it. (I think you meant Tackles champ) You should probably just be quiet now. Adults are talking. IF you knew your stuff you would know there is a HUGE difference between a nose guard/man/tackle in a 3-4 defense VS the a 3 technique and a 4 technique tackle in a 4-3 defense. All of which are classified as D-linemen. Are there edge rushing DEs in a 3-4 defense? Or are all three of the D-linemen "tackles"?
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