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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jun 9, 2018 7:16:45 GMT -5
Use this thread for all LeBron free agency speculation and news.
Thank you LeBron for coming back to Cleveland and winning us a title. Whatever you decide to do now, I'm fine with it.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 9, 2018 7:24:47 GMT -5
The poll should have another category to choose.....'Don't Care'
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jun 9, 2018 7:33:44 GMT -5
The poll should have another category to choose.....'Don't Care' Why? Those who truly don't care won't be clicking on the thread in the first place, so why should there be a special option in the poll for people who won't even see the poll?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 8:50:35 GMT -5
I’m not sure there is a good option out there. Where ever he goes they won’t be better than the Warriors. The only way he can play in Houston would be a sign and trade. If I’m Gilbert i say thanks but no thanks because they would still be in the luxury tax
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 9, 2018 9:24:54 GMT -5
The poll should have another category to choose.....'Don't Care' Why? Those who truly don't care won't be clicking on the thread in the first place, so why should there be a special option in the poll for people who won't even see the poll? It's sports, so I have an interest in any developing story. Not knocking the poll itself, it's a great question and quite interested in the results. NBA basketball, probably wouldn't walk across the street to watch it.....college or H.S. quite the opposite.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 9, 2018 9:31:33 GMT -5
I’m not sure there is a good option out there. Where ever he goes they won’t be better than the Warriors. The only way he can play in Houston would be a sign and trade. If I’m Gilbert i say thanks but no thanks because they would still be in the luxury tax I would think any pro-athlete would be attracted to a state with no state income tax.....i.e. Florida, Nevada, Texas, Washington. Tennessee technically has a state income tax, taxing dividends.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 10:11:03 GMT -5
It is a slight advantage but those states typically have higher cost of living, higher fuel tax, higher property tax, higher sales tax or other taxes to make up the difference so the state can still operate.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jun 9, 2018 10:18:47 GMT -5
I’m not sure there is a good option out there. Where ever he goes they won’t be better than the Warriors. The only way he can play in Houston would be a sign and trade. If I’m Gilbert i say thanks but no thanks because they would still be in the luxury tax I would think any pro-athlete would be attracted to a state with no state income tax.....i.e. Florida, Nevada, Texas, Washington. Tennessee technically has a state income tax, taxing dividends. Sports, I'm with you on not crossing the street for Pro Basketball. I have never seen such violations of the rules more than the pro's. Traveling for instance, if I remember correctly the rules said, or something like this, going for a layup you cannot take no more than 2 steps. It also use to be if you touch the body going to block a shot it was called a foul. Now it depends on who are then the ref's will let you get away with. I caught the last 4 minutes of the first game in the championship series they did not call a foul on Curry because they said he got the ball even though he bumped the shooter but later they called a foul on LeBron for bumping into Curry even though he blocked the ball. Even though the ref's do make bad calls in High School and College, they try their best to keep the game like it was meant to be played. In the pro's I have seen a lot of players going for a layup taking more than 3 steps and not get called for traveling. I like the way basketball was suppose to be played not like the way they play it today.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 9, 2018 11:02:03 GMT -5
It is a slight advantage but those states typically have higher cost of living, higher fuel tax, higher property tax, higher sales tax or other taxes to make up the difference so the state can still operate. Most of the sales taxes I have encountered are pretty much equal to what we have here in Ohio. Property taxes per $ evaluation are the same as mine in Ohio. My electric rate in Florida mirrors that which I pay in Ohio. Groceries is slightly higher in Florida, except alcohol is cheaper in Florida, beer is quite a bit cheaper. I often thought if I had not paid state income tax during my peak earning years, that would have seen it's way into additional investments. Getting back to the non-presence of state income taxes is magnified when incomes are in the millions.....very significant.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 11:29:53 GMT -5
Imagine the difference in cost of living for someone with millions. I at the end of a year the total amount placed in a savings account can be a slight advantage. A little difference in each tax makes up for the income tax in most ways. The state still needs their operating funds and will get them somehow. Now taxing a permanent home versus a vacation home or having income in Ohio and spending time in Florida can make a difference too. People who live in Florida find it very cheap to visit and stay in Ohio. I'm not saying there isn't an advantage but it would be a shock if a player like Lebron would sign with Orlando Magic to put an extra 5%.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 9, 2018 11:33:46 GMT -5
I would think any pro-athlete would be attracted to a state with no state income tax.....i.e. Florida, Nevada, Texas, Washington. Tennessee technically has a state income tax, taxing dividends. Sports, I'm with you on not crossing the street for Pro Basketball. I have never seen such violations of the rules more than the pro's. Traveling for instance, if I remember correctly the rules said, or something like this, going for a layup you cannot take no more than 2 steps. It also use to be if you touch the body going to block a shot it was called a foul. Now it depends on who are then the ref's will let you get away with. I caught the last 4 minutes of the first game in the championship series they did not call a foul on Curry because they said he got the ball even though he bumped the shooter but later they called a foul on LeBron for bumping into Curry even though he blocked the ball. Even though the ref's do make bad calls in High School and College, they try their best to keep the game like it was meant to be played. In the pro's I have seen a lot of players going for a layup taking more than 3 steps and not get called for traveling. I like the way basketball was suppose to be played not like the way they play it today. I get frustrated seeing the same kinds of things you mentioned. Traveling? Traveling in the NBA.....really? Re-establishing the pivot foot...no problem, you see it all the time. The phony continuation rule is a total joke (usually preceded by comical non-adherence to the traveling rule) The bumps you mention are usually shoulder blocks. The NBA game is boringly predictable. With the short clock, the no zone ban, the lack of defenses (take exception of a few teams), results in the same high scoring, foot race, game after game, all set the tune of organ music. The quality of play and players is down dramatically from years of past (LeBron and a select few, the exception) As part of the NBA illusion producers, the loose NBA rims are another major ingredient. My mind still goes back to an NBA game that both teams entered halftime with miserable shooting stats. It was to the point of embarrassment the amount of clunkers and clangers that spun in and out of the rim. One team shot like 28% and other in the 30's. Free throws were rather horrid as well. The TV announcers stupidly let it slip out, burbling the explanation that there had been an NCAA tournament game played on the court the previous night and maintenance personnel had failed to change out the rims from NCAA to NBA loose rims. I about fell off my chair laughing at this slip of the tongue revelation.
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Post by DrTorch on Jun 9, 2018 11:36:40 GMT -5
I say he signs with Golden State and they break the NBA.
I hope he signs with Boston and they trade Kyrie to Sacramento.
Was reading an article about how the Cavs payroll is kinda beerfed whether he stays or goes. No bueno.
Maybe he goes to LAL and gets Chris Paul to tag along. Maybe Paul George too. I dunno if that is even possible.
I do think there is a chance he stays. I wouldn't lol. If he goes I hope wherever he ends up he beats GS.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 9, 2018 12:02:44 GMT -5
Imagine the difference in cost of living for someone with millions. I at the end of a year the total amount placed in a savings account can be a slight advantage. A little difference in each tax makes up for the income tax in most ways. The state still needs their operating funds and will get them somehow. Now taxing a permanent home versus a vacation home or having income in Ohio and spending time in Florida can make a difference too. People who live in Florida find it very cheap to visit and stay in Ohio. I'm not saying there isn't an advantage but it would be a shock if a player like Lebron would sign with Orlando Magic to put an extra 5%. I agree with what you are saying. We call it touri$m tax dollars which is in the billions. Quite a luxury for Nevada, Arizona, Hawaii, Florida etc. My home in Florida (which is considered permanent) is valued close to my home in Ohio and my property taxes are within a hundred dollars or so of each other. I know what you are saying, that I/you agree, it's doubtful LeBron would let a 5% tax enter his decision making when accepting/rejecting a venue for his talents, but others with a fraction of his fabulous wealth would and have. Not wanting to get into a political discussion or debate here, but facts are: Ohio got along just fine, minus the state income tax and Governor Rhodes said the state was balancing it's budget and did not need the state income tax. It was implemented in 1972 by Governor John J. Giligan and yes, politicians found creative new ways to spend the wealth of new tax inflow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 14:39:27 GMT -5
My point was the income tax is a small factor. No high profile player every signed with a garbage team just to save some tax dollars. The choice to leave, if he does, will be made primarily on the team.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 9, 2018 17:08:27 GMT -5
My point was the income tax is a small factor. No high profile player every signed with a garbage team just to save some tax dollars. The choice to leave, if he does, will be made primarily on the team. point well taken......and I agree.
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Post by DrTorch on Jun 9, 2018 19:49:03 GMT -5
can't believe i've watched the Cavs lose 3 Finals and the Tribe lose 3 WS
at least the Browns have spared me that heartache...in a way
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jun 9, 2018 20:07:42 GMT -5
can't believe i've watched the Cavs lose 3 Finals and the Tribe lose 3 WS It's actually 4 now for the Cavs. Also, its almost hard to comprehend that the Cavs have lost 3 finals since Ohio State won their most recent football National Title
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Post by DrTorch on Jun 9, 2018 20:17:03 GMT -5
oh yeah thanks i always forget about SA
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Post by 1percenter on Jun 10, 2018 9:29:45 GMT -5
Danny Ainge is going to trade Kyrie and pick up LeBron
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Post by 1percenter on Jun 10, 2018 9:36:33 GMT -5
Head Coaches LeBron has carried to the NBA Finals Mike Brown Erik Spoelstra David Blatt Tyronn Lou
That's some all-time great NBA Coaches
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Post by cbus on Jun 10, 2018 21:06:42 GMT -5
I think LeBron will stay in the East. Cleveland is probably his #1 choice. Boston or Philly might work if LeBron is ready to stop being the primary ball-handler.
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Post by cbus on Jun 10, 2018 21:19:50 GMT -5
Sports, I'm with you on not crossing the street for Pro Basketball. I have never seen such violations of the rules more than the pro's. Traveling for instance, if I remember correctly the rules said, or something like this, going for a layup you cannot take no more than 2 steps. It also use to be if you touch the body going to block a shot it was called a foul. Now it depends on who are then the ref's will let you get away with. I caught the last 4 minutes of the first game in the championship series they did not call a foul on Curry because they said he got the ball even though he bumped the shooter but later they called a foul on LeBron for bumping into Curry even though he blocked the ball. Even though the ref's do make bad calls in High School and College, they try their best to keep the game like it was meant to be played. In the pro's I have seen a lot of players going for a layup taking more than 3 steps and not get called for traveling. I like the way basketball was suppose to be played not like the way they play it today. I get frustrated seeing the same kinds of things you mentioned. Traveling? Traveling in the NBA.....really? Re-establishing the pivot foot...no problem, you see it all the time. The phony continuation rule is a total joke (usually preceded by comical non-adherence to the traveling rule) The bumps you mention are usually shoulder blocks. The NBA game is boringly predictable. With the short clock, the no zone ban, the lack of defenses (take exception of a few teams), results in the same high scoring, foot race, game after game, all set the tune of organ music. The quality of play and players is down dramatically from years of past (LeBron and a select few, the exception) As part of the NBA illusion producers, the loose NBA rims are another major ingredient. My mind still goes back to an NBA game that both teams entered halftime with miserable shooting stats. It was to the point of embarrassment the amount of clunkers and clangers that spun in and out of the rim. One team shot like 28% and other in the 30's. Free throws were rather horrid as well. The TV announcers stupidly let it slip out, burbling the explanation that there had been an NCAA tournament game played on the court the previous night and maintenance personnel had failed to change out the rims from NCAA to NBA loose rims. I about fell off my chair laughing at this slip of the tongue revelation. ---------------------------------------------- College Basketball is trying to mirror the NBA game with all the 3's and the shot clock. Why not watch the better athletes in the pros. Of course if you watch enough pro basketball the college game seems really slow by comparison. Also that may be fake news about the NBA playing on softer rims. This article says the opposite: www.journalnow.com/sports/colleges/basketball/basket-case-do-soft-rims-exist-answers-found-in-basketball/article_f76940e2-2877-527d-ae7d-7bb36efb3d86.html"When the NCAA tournament begins later this month, the rims at NBA arenas serving as host sites will be removed and replaced with rims that meet the college standard for energy absorption, with Jolley saying the goal is a middle ground in the range of 42 percent to 43 percent. Rim testing before NCAA tournament games became mandatory in 1998. The NBA’s standard of 20 percent to 35 percent means professional players shoot on stiffer rims and have less margin for error."
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Post by deathfromabove on Jun 11, 2018 1:24:57 GMT -5
Cbus, The one key difference between college & the pro's is in college they can throw in a zone defense and the pro's can't. Throwing different defense's makes you think on what kind of an offence play you are going to go with to break that defense. There are different kinds of defensive you can throw in. It could be a 2-1-2, 1-2-2, or a 1-3-1 or whatever. It makes you think instead of running up and down the court and just throwing the ball up. Some times I feel like they should throw out the 3pt. line. Since that was installed every body wants to shoot 3's. Get rid of it and go back to the old fashion way of making a 3 point play. Players now don't even know how to shoot from the foul line. Some of them are lucky to even get close to 50% from the line let alone make more than 50%. Lately I been seeing pro's missing the rim of the basket like 5th. or 6th. graders do. Air Ball. How embarrassing. I just hope colleges and high schools remain the same and not ruin the game.
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Post by cbus on Jun 11, 2018 6:41:30 GMT -5
Death from above- The NBA can play zone defense since 2001. There are some limits but it’s not like it used to be when only man to man was allowed. Since you don’t watch a lot of NBA games I can understand why you don’t know this.
The high and low free throw % by year in each decade is below. 1970’s- .745-.771 1980’s- .746-.768 1990’s- .737-.765 2000’s- .745-.771 2010’s- .752- .772
I don’t see much of a change in free throw accuracy but maybe you interpret these %’s differently.
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Post by clb6110 on Jun 11, 2018 7:23:09 GMT -5
If he leaves Cleveland,which I think he doesn't, I think the move will be to the Knicks. He has said many times that Madison Square Garden is his BBall mecca and playing along Kristap would be a pretty awesome duo to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 7:48:53 GMT -5
If he leaves Cleveland,which I think he doesn't, I think the move will be to the Knicks. He has said many times that Madison Square Garden is his BBall mecca and playing along Kristap would be a pretty awesome duo to watch. Only way he’s playing in NY is if they overhaul that entire roster. Actually Cleveland’s roster is better
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 11, 2018 8:04:14 GMT -5
Cbus, The one key difference between college & the pro's is in college they can throw in a zone defense and the pro's can't. Throwing different defense's makes you think on what kind of an offence play you are going to go with to break that defense. There are different kinds of defensive you can throw in. It could be a 2-1-2, 1-2-2, or a 1-3-1 or whatever. It makes you think instead of running up and down the court and just throwing the ball up. Some times I feel like they should throw out the 3pt. line. Since that was installed every body wants to shoot 3's. Get rid of it and go back to the old fashion way of making a 3 point play. Players now don't even know how to shoot from the foul line. Some of them are lucky to even get close to 50% from the line let alone make more than 50%. Lately I been seeing pro's missing the rim of the basket like 5th. or 6th. graders do. Air Ball. How embarrassing. I just hope colleges and high schools remain the same and not ruin the game. The 3 pt. line, intended to add another dimension to the game, had good intentions. However, it radically changed the game in a most negative manner and we get a rather boring perimeter oriented offenses. In an effort to negate the negative effects it has had on the game, the line has been repeatedly moved further out. The perimeter oriented offenses have deemed 'checking out' and 'banging the boards' a minor part of the game. Instead, once the ball has been launched, the team is already retreating up court, to get back on defense. The pro game is incredibly boring to most viewers, including myself. Add to that, the NBA player quality is way down from what it once was. I agree with you, the NBA is a poor model for any changes to amateur basketball. Nothing comes close to 'March Madness'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 8:09:28 GMT -5
If they could offload Smith, Thompson, Love and Clarkson that would be an estimated $64 million in salaries that produced 34pts, 20rebs, 3asts, and 2stls per game in the playoffs.
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Post by cbus on Jun 11, 2018 8:30:26 GMT -5
March Madness is a watered down version of the NBA Playoffs. Except for betting on the brackets, that's better than betting on the NBA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 8:38:41 GMT -5
Sorry the players are way better now. We have a 6’8 250lbs with guard skills. A 7’ with guard skills. A 7’3 that’s a stretch 4. The days of 2 post players posting up on each block are over.
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