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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 7:46:49 GMT -5
Has anyone looked at the maps of the divisions? Some very questionable moves by the OHSAA. D6 they split Allen County up without having to. D5 for some reason Montgomery County and it’s one school is in the NW region. D3 is a mess. D2 I’ll give them credit but the splitting of 3 counties is actually not needed
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jun 24, 2018 19:12:39 GMT -5
You do understand that having an equal as possible number of schools in each reason is their #1 concern, right?
With that in mind, I don't see any huge issues with these maps. Although I do agree that the Montgomery County one is a little odd since changing that one school to R20 would still make that Division have two 26 teams regions and two 27 team regions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 20:02:32 GMT -5
You do understand that having an equal as possible number of schools in each reason is their #1 concern, right? With that in mind, I don't see any huge issues with these maps. Although I do agree that the Montgomery County one is a little odd since changing that one school to R20 would still make that Division have two 26 teams regions and two 27 team regions. No, had no idea. Yes that’s sarcasm
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jun 24, 2018 21:00:49 GMT -5
Then I'm not sure what your problem is with the maps. The uneven distribution of the schools across the state results in having to draw some strange lines and occasionally split counties in order to make the regions as equal as possible.
I'd be interested in hearing how you would draw the lines differently to solve the issues you've brought up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 21:30:46 GMT -5
Then I'm not sure what your problem is with the maps. The uneven distribution of the schools across the state results in having to draw some strange lines and occasionally split counties in order to make the regions as equal as possible. I'd be interested in hearing how you would draw the lines differently to solve the issues you've brought up. D6...Allen County issue. All 6 schools in Region 22. Franklin and Union County schools in Region 24. Ashland and Crawford county schools to Region 27. D2...All Franklin County schools in Region 7 and add Hocking, Allen and Marion to Region 8. All of Summit and Mahoning in Region 7. Cuyahoga makes it difficult. My issue is that I don’t like breaking up counties and of the 4 major cities they should for the most part be in the 4 separate regions. Looking at D3 again I guess that works. Region 12 just looks really odd on the map
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Post by galion on Jun 24, 2018 22:09:49 GMT -5
But does that make the numbers even in every district?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 6:12:02 GMT -5
But does that make the numbers even in every district? D2 would need work,but i could make it even
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jun 25, 2018 8:25:11 GMT -5
D6...Allen County issue. All 6 schools in Region 22. Franklin and Union County schools in Region 24. Ashland and Crawford county schools to Region 27. Your complaint is that the map looks like gerrymandering....but your solution is to change the change this black lined map into this red lined one? All you did was create a bunch of odd indents just like the D5 Montgomery County one you brought up in the OP.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jun 25, 2018 8:50:23 GMT -5
But does that make the numbers even in every district? D2 would need work,but i could make it even though you're going to have to break one of these 2 rules... My issue is that I don’t like breaking up counties and of the 4 major cities they should for the most part be in the 4 separate regions. With a limit of 27 schools per region, and there being 16 in Cuyahoga, 12 in Summit, 14 in Franklin, 10 in Lucas and 7 in Hamilton...you're either going to have to break up one of the two big NE counties, or have all counties remain in tact but get stuck putting Lucas and Hamilton in the same region As for D3R12, yeah it might look a little odd on the map, but when you consider the whole region is on/near the I-75 corridor it makes some sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 13:00:08 GMT -5
D6...Allen County issue. All 6 schools in Region 22. Franklin and Union County schools in Region 24. Ashland and Crawford county schools to Region 27. Your complaint is that the map looks like gerrymandering....but your solution is to change the change this black lined map into this red lined one? All you did was create a bunch of odd indents just like the D5 Montgomery County one you brought up in the OP. what I did was make all the Allen County schools in the same region. You actually made a map? Wish I had the time to do that lol
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Post by deathfromabove on Jun 25, 2018 13:44:34 GMT -5
Bighoss, I don't know about D-3, it sure looks a mess to me. The map that I saw on OHSAA had Lorain and Cuyahoga counties in our region. If that's the case then if a Cleveland school maybe have to play a game at, let's say, Defiance than the crowd on the visitors side would look mighty bare. The Cleveland fans would not want to travel that far just for a playoff game. What's your opinion on this.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jun 25, 2018 14:35:49 GMT -5
what I did was make all the Allen County schools in the same region. And in fixing that one problem you created other problems elsewhere. Someone looking at the setup you made for D6 would might say "What idiot gerrymandered this thing? Why the hell are Crawford and Ashland Counties sent all the way to SE Ohio while Richland County right between them stays in the NW Ohio region?" My point here is that no matter where you draw these lines there's going to be someone upset about some aspect of it. All I did was take a screenshot of the original map and draw some red and white lines on it in MS Paint
Bighoss, I don't know about D-3, it sure looks a mess to me. The map that I saw on OHSAA had Lorain and Cuyahoga counties in our region. If that's the case then if a Cleveland school maybe have to play a game at, let's say, Defiance than the crowd on the visitors side would look mighty bare. The Cleveland fans would not want to travel that far just for a playoff game. What's your opinion on this. What else do you want them to do? there simply aren't enough D3 schools in NW Ohio to have region that's only NW Ohio schools. They have to add in some extra schools from somewhere, whether it be from the Cleveland, Columbus or Dayton areas. No matter what they do it'll involve having some schools potentially drive a long way.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jun 25, 2018 14:55:44 GMT -5
what I did was make all the Allen County schools in the same region. And in fixing that one problem you created other problems elsewhere. Someone looking at the setup you made for D6 would might say "What idiot gerrymandered this thing? Why the hell are Crawford and Ashland Counties sent all the way to SE Ohio while Richland County right between them stays in the NW Ohio region?" My point here is that no matter where you draw these lines there's going to be someone upset about some aspect of it. All I did was take a screenshot of the original map and draw some red and white lines on it in MS Paint
Bighoss, I don't know about D-3, it sure looks a mess to me. The map that I saw on OHSAA had Lorain and Cuyahoga counties in our region. If that's the case then if a Cleveland school maybe have to play a game at, let's say, Defiance than the crowd on the visitors side would look mighty bare. The Cleveland fans would not want to travel that far just for a playoff game. What's your opinion on this. What else do you want them to do? there simply aren't enough D3 schools in NW Ohio to have region that's only NW Ohio schools. They have to add in some extra schools from somewhere, whether it be from the Cleveland, Columbus or Dayton areas. No matter what they do it'll involve having some schools potentially drive a long way. I guess that what happens when you have 7 divisions just so you can please everybody into getting in the playoffs. Let's just go back to maybe 4 divisions and let everybody in the playoffs. I don't have any ideas to maybe make it more simple. Let's hear it everybody, give us your ideal on how this could be remedied this here. There will be no wrong answers here, just curious minds.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 17:10:43 GMT -5
And in fixing that one problem you created other problems elsewhere. Someone looking at the setup you made for D6 would might say "What idiot gerrymandered this thing? Why the hell are Crawford and Ashland Counties sent all the way to SE Ohio while Richland County right between them stays in the NW Ohio region?" My point here is that no matter where you draw these lines there's going to be someone upset about some aspect of it. All I did was take a screenshot of the original map and draw some red and white lines on it in MS Paint
What else do you want them to do? there simply aren't enough D3 schools in NW Ohio to have region that's only NW Ohio schools. They have to add in some extra schools from somewhere, whether it be from the Cleveland, Columbus or Dayton areas. No matter what they do it'll involve having some schools potentially drive a long way. I guess that what happens when you have 7 divisions just so you can please everybody into getting in the playoffs. Let's just go back to maybe 4 divisions and let everybody in the playoffs. I don't have any ideas to maybe make it more simple. Let's hear it everybody, give us your ideal on how this could be remedied this here. There will be no wrong answers here, just curious minds. Apparently my idea to not split up counties sucks so I’m out
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 17:17:30 GMT -5
what I did was make all the Allen County schools in the same region. And in fixing that one problem you created other problems elsewhere. Someone looking at the setup you made for D6 would might say "What idiot gerrymandered this thing? Why the hell are Crawford and Ashland Counties sent all the way to SE Ohio while Richland County right between them stays in the NW Ohio region?" My point here is that no matter where you draw these lines there's going to be someone upset about some aspect of it. All I did was take a screenshot of the original map and draw some red and white lines on it in MS Paint
Bighoss, I don't know about D-3, it sure looks a mess to me. The map that I saw on OHSAA had Lorain and Cuyahoga counties in our region. If that's the case then if a Cleveland school maybe have to play a game at, let's say, Defiance than the crowd on the visitors side would look mighty bare. The Cleveland fans would not want to travel that far just for a playoff game. What's your opinion on this. What else do you want them to do? there simply aren't enough D3 schools in NW Ohio to have region that's only NW Ohio schools. They have to add in some extra schools from somewhere, whether it be from the Cleveland, Columbus or Dayton areas. No matter what they do it'll involve having some schools potentially drive a long way. It wouldn’t be the first time Ashland and Crawford county schools were sent to SE
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jun 25, 2018 18:19:26 GMT -5
It wouldn’t be the first time Ashland and Crawford county schools were sent to SE Well yeah, that's how I know people would complain about it.....because they have in the past when it happened. Though it's no surprise that was complained about, as pretty much every one of these regional maps gets complained about by someone, because with the way Ohio's population is unevenly distributed it's damn near impossible to draw the regions so that they make perfect geographical sense across the board.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jun 26, 2018 11:09:48 GMT -5
Bighoss, It is very commutated trying to figure out on how to make everybody happy with what region they should be in. I tried to rearrange it but no matter where I moved some counties there is always the Northwest and Southeast that will always have to make long drives. Thanks for your impute anyway. You did bring up something that could be maybe used either next year or two.
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