MOAC 2016

[cowtown]

The league already blew up because next year the Knox and Morrow County schools pull out . Harding will never dominate . Big doesn't mean an automatic win. River and Buckeye Valley will be bigger than Harding

[presnapread]

In my learned opinion, Cardington spanking of Galion was the most impressive result of Week 2. I never saw this happening, congratulations to the Pirates and Coach Williams. Huge "W"

[baseballdad]

BV has to start cleaning up their bad penalties. They nullified at least two personal fouls on Whetstone by retaliating, and had a roughing the passer when they had Whetstone pinned on the 6 inch line. The thing that saved them Friday was Whetstone was twice as undisciplined as they were. Friday's game with Johnstown will IMO give the best read of the three non-conference. At this point, I still have no idea what to expect.

[presnapread]

Sept 6, 2016 8:06:22 GMT -5 baseballdad said:

BV has to start cleaning up their bad penalties. They nullified at least two personal fouls on Whetstone by retaliating, and had a roughing the passer when they had Whetstone pinned on the 6 inch line. The thing that saved them Friday was Whetstone was twice as undisciplined as they were. Friday's game with Johnstown will IMO give the best read of the three non-conference. At this point, I still have no idea what to expect.

Half of those they'll clean up, half they won't. Some of it is immaturity, which is correctable. Half is a dirty ball player, which will never change.

[stanley]

Sept 5, 2016 21:10:53 GMT -5 cowtown said:

The league already blew up because next year the Knox and Morrow County schools pull out . Harding will never dominate . Big doesn't mean an automatic win. River and Buckeye Valley will be bigger than Harding

The red division still could have stayed together and been the MOAC if they wanted to. Morrow/Knox schools may be the first to already have their new league plans together, but it's not like them bailing forced: JA, BV, RV, Harding, Fairbanks, Galion, North Union, and Pleasant to all leave too. If Morrow/Knox bailing put anyone in a tough spot, it was Elgin.

[BellevueBuckeye]

Is there a name yet for the new conference these Red division schools are forming?

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2016 21:10:53 GMT -5 cowtown said:

The league already blew up because next year the Knox and Morrow County schools pull out . Harding will never dominate . Big doesn't mean an automatic win. River and Buckeye Valley will be bigger than Harding

BV has a little growing to get to Harding size but River valley has a long way until they are larger than Harding.

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Last numbers posted.
Future MOAC
MARION HARDING 379
BUCKEYE VALLEY 308
RIVER VALLEY 236
ONTARIO 222
CLEAR FORK 181
GALION 163
NORTH UNION 160
PLEASANT 153

[baseballdad]

Sept 6, 2016 9:15:46 GMT -5 presnapread said:

Sept 6, 2016 8:06:22 GMT -5 baseballdad said:

BV has to start cleaning up their bad penalties. They nullified at least two personal fouls on Whetstone by retaliating, and had a roughing the passer when they had Whetstone pinned on the 6 inch line. The thing that saved them Friday was Whetstone was twice as undisciplined as they were. Friday's game with Johnstown will IMO give the best read of the three non-conference. At this point, I still have no idea what to expect.

Half of those they'll clean up, half they won't. Some of it is immaturity, which is correctable. Half is a dirty ball player, which will never change.

I can't disagree.  In the ideal world, if one player continues to hurt the team with stupid penalties, he should find himself watching from the pine, but, it probably won't happen that way.

[babymaker]

Sometimes the dumb is offset by what he does when he isn't making the errors. If he is a dominate player sometimes you are stuck taking the bad with the good.

[presnapread]

baseballdad & babymaker ..... Both of your statements/points are accurate - thus, the situation will not change.

[GHS 1999]

Sept 6, 2016 9:36:47 GMT -5 BellevueBuckeye said:

Is there a name yet for the new conference these Red division schools are forming?

As far as I have heard, it will still be the MOAC. The blue division schools minus Elgin will be the Knox Morrow Athletic Conference or KMAC.

[stanley]

Sept 6, 2016 11:25:36 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

Sept 6, 2016 9:36:47 GMT -5 BellevueBuckeye said:

Is there a name yet for the new conference these Red division schools are forming?

As far as I have heard, it will still be the MOAC. The blue division schools minus Elgin will be the Knox Morrow Athletic Conference or KMAC.

Add Danville and your correct on the Knox Morrow County scenario.

[BellevueBuckeye]

Sept 6, 2016 11:25:36 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

Sept 6, 2016 9:36:47 GMT -5 BellevueBuckeye said:

Is there a name yet for the new conference these Red division schools are forming?

As far as I have heard, it will still be the MOAC. The blue division schools minus Elgin will be the Knox Morrow Athletic Conference or KMAC.

Thanks. I got my divisions mixed up (not too familiar with the MOAC), the KMAC name is what I was looking for so I should have said Blue Division schools 

[usa70pp]

Sept 5, 2016 20:42:24 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Harding Will be dominating the MOAC in the near future. Playing much smaller schools than in the past AND winning. Thus getting more players out and keeping them out. Fewer transferring to Pleasnt since they will be winning league titles and beating Pleasant.

Harding will need to get started soon then. Last year was the first year in the MOAC for them. They had a 4 and 3 record. Defeated D6 Fairbanks, D5 North Union, D5 Pleasant and D4 River Valley.  They defeated River Valley because some Viking players were stupid out of school. Harding lost to D5 Galion, D4 Jonathan Alder and D3 Buckeye Valley. Prior to joining the MOAC Harding had played River Valley twice. In 2013 they loss at home 41 to 14 and in 2014 they went to Viking land and lost 33 to 7.
Dominate the MOAC in the near future? Can't see it happening.

[Deleted]

Dominate may be to strong of a description but 4-3 in their first year, that's a good record for a newbie to build on. Adjust their ooc schedule a little and they could have some success soon. Then with the addition of Clear Fork and Ontario, who have struggled lately, they could crank out winning seasons. IF the younger levels see success, a program can improve each year.

[Willard Fillmore]

USA, I did not say now or immediately, that EXACT term used was "near future". Didn't you see that or didn't you understand? 

When was the last time Harding was signicantly larger than every school in their league? NEVER. When was the last time Harding had a winning confererence record? Some time ago. Surely you know that programs don't change overnight. This is a "show me" generation. Athletes get shown more wins than losses. They're shown competing for Titles and it's fun and worth the hard work. More athletes come out and fewer transfer. Don't complain, the MOAC, didn't have to take them in. The first to whine will be the ones that figured Harding will always be bad.

[usa70pp]

From 2003 to 2011 Harding was a member of the Greater Buckeye Conference.
It consisted of Findlay, Fremont Ross, Lima Senior, Harding, Napoleon and Sandusky.
Napoleon was a 3 and Sandusky a 2. The others were 1s until the last year of the conference when Ross, Senior and Harding dropped to 2.
Harding won the league title in 2003. They then started down. 6-4, 5-5, 5-5, 2-8, 1-9, 4-6, 2-8 and then 3-7. Three of those years the 3, Napoleon, won the title. 2004, 7 and shared in 8.
I used to say "I am north of 70 and I ain't talking about the Interstate." Now it is west of 75 and it still isn't the Interstate.
I'll forgive your implied insult.

[stanley]

Adding Ontario and Clear Fork will make for a ten team league. I hope for all those teams sake that they don't go back to the one non-league game format that the MOAC used before expanding. That was awful.

[stanley]

Sept 6, 2016 18:58:35 GMT -5 usa70pp said:

From 2003 to 2011 Harding was a member of the Greater Buckeye Conference.
It consisted of Findlay, Fremont Ross, Lima Senior, Harding, Napoleon and Sandusky.
Napoleon was a 3 and Sandusky a 2. The others were 1s until the last year of the conference when Ross, Senior and Harding dropped to 2.
Harding won the league title in 2003. They then started down. 6-4, 5-5, 5-5, 2-8, 1-9, 4-6, 2-8 and then 3-7. Three of those years the 3, Napoleon, won the title. 2004, 7 and shared in 8.
I used to say "I am north of 70 and I ain't talking about the Interstate." Now it is west of 75 and it still isn't the Interstate.
I'll forgive your implied insult.

Good info USA, it is probably safe to say Harding would not have ran the MOAC in any of those years either.

[usa70pp]

Sept 6, 2016 19:00:56 GMT -5 stanley said:

Adding Ontario and Clear Fork will make for a ten team league. I hope for all those teams sake that they don't go back to the one non-league game format that the MOAC used before expanding. That was awful.

Fairbanks will be gone after this year and the other day I heard that JA will be gone as well.  That would leave it at 8 teams.

[Deleted]

Fairbanks is already gone but is only playing an MOAC football schedule. JA leaves next season when Ontario and Clear Fork join. So it will be 8 teams next year also.

[Deleted]

Without claiming that 2003-2011 was Harding's glory years I would be willing to go out on a limb and say they would have possibly done better in the MOAC instead of playing Lima, Findlay, Ross, Sandusky and Napoleon. I'm pretty sure back then JA and Fairbanks were not in the MOAC.

[stanley]

Ahh that is correct totally forgot about Fairbanks leaving. And Harding very well may have done better compared to the league that they were in. However, during that timespan Pleasant was smacking everyone around for the most part. Also during that timespan Buckeye Valley, Highland, and North Union in the later years were putting teams together that Harding would not have beat. When the Highland teams stopped being quite as forceful, River Valley picked up right where they left off. If they were in the league Harding would have had to schedule a pretty tough non league opponent that they probably would have lost to. Hardings average season those years would probably be 6-4. Maybe an 8-2 some of those years, maybe a 7-3. More times than not probably 6-4.

[babymaker]

Ok can we get back to this season. 2 years on this topic as well... it is what it is. But I am willing to bet Harding is the death of the MOAC in the next 5 years. NU wanted out based solely on Harding being in the league. The the feelings are there its only a matter of time.

So is there any RV faithful on here? How are they looking after a 1-1 start?

[stanley]

Sept 6, 2016 21:25:46 GMT -5 babymaker said:

Ok can we get back to this season. 2 years on this topic as well... it is what it is. But I am willing to bet Harding is the death of the MOAC in the next 5 years. NU wanted out based solely on Harding being in the league. The the feelings are there its only a matter of time.

So is there any RV faithful on here? How are they looking after a 1-1 start?

Absolutely not! We will talk about this season in a few years ok? =) Just playing your absolutely right, I actually started this whole deal by smarting off about Harding to begin with. My apologies everyone.

[usa70pp]

We used to have a joke about Harding sports. They would have great junior high teams, but by the time they got to high school they were too old to play.

[blazer]

Sept 6, 2016 21:25:46 GMT -5 babymaker said:

Ok can we get back to this season. 2 years on this topic as well... it is what it is. But I am willing to bet Harding is the death of the MOAC in the next 5 years. NU wanted out based solely on Harding being in the league. The the feelings are there its only a matter of time.

So is there any RV faithful on here? How are they looking after a 1-1 start?

RV played a mistake-free game, for the most part, against Upper. QB looks good and they have two decent RBs. Against Madison, turnovers, penalties, and bad tackling made for a long night. Down 21-14 late in the 2nd quarter, RV was at the Madison 2 yard line and tried an ill-advised pass into the flat where it was picked off two yards deep and returned for a pick six. RV never recovered. Lost 49-21. Madison does have a nice offense and ran the ball at will.

[presnapread]

Little bit of this, little bit of that ....

Fairbanks going to the Ohio Heritage Conference, Johnny Alder going to the Central Buckeye Conference. A year ago when the MOAC split North Union looked seriously at the Ohio Heritage and BV looked seriously at the CBC .... Didn't happen. Mansfield Madison, under Coach Jami Masi is a good solid program. RV losing to them is no indication of weakness, RV will be very solid, returning excellent line experience on both sides of the ball. I must concur, "in the future" Harding will be very strong in the MOAC in all sports. Honestly, chances are they will always have more "athletes" than the other members of the conference. Athletes win games. As long as Dave Carroll remains at Clearfork and Chris Hawkins at Ontario, the football programs of these schools will be good, both men are excellent coaches. This year, Alder wins the MOAC Red, they won it last year, and "supposedly" they were a year away .... Well, that "year away" is now. After Friday night against Galion, might the Pirates win the Blue?

[stanley]

USA that's funny!
Presnapread, great insight, thanks! As for Ctown winning the blue I think that's definitely a safe bet. Coming into the season, I was calling for another toss up between them, Highland, and Fredericktown. Right now Cardington does look the best, however, Highland and Fredericktowns two non league games consisted of a combined Clear Fork, Danville, Bloom-Carroll, and Heath. So even though there both 0-2 I wouldn't count them out just yet, besides in league play everyone is still 0-0. As for my current pick right now? I would say 1. Cardington 2. Highland and 3. Fredericktown