MOAC 2016

[stanley]

Now if Utica walks into Fredericktown and leaves with a W on Friday then (although still early in the year) it would probably be safe to count the Freddies out.

[babymaker]

Does anyone know if the Harding RB that was not available for Lima will be back this week? I really think if the QB is ok and the RB is back they can give Newark all they can handle.

[hardingmavman]

Sept 7, 2016 14:12:41 GMT -5 babymaker said:

Does anyone know if the Harding RB that was not available for Lima will be back this week? I really think if the QB is ok and the RB is back they can give Newark all they can handle.

not going to lie i think they will be just fine if the qb is out the back up that came in did pretty well infact i think his a better runner. And does anyone know about Newark i see they are 2-0 anyone got any info on them 

[hardingmavman]

Sept 6, 2016 21:25:46 GMT -5 babymaker said:

Ok can we get back to this season. 2 years on this topic as well... it is what it is. But I am willing to bet Harding is the death of the MOAC in the next 5 years. NU wanted out based solely on Harding being in the league. The the feelings are there its only a matter of time.

So is there any RV faithful on here? How are they looking after a 1-1 start?

can someone please explain the whole fear factor of Harding? what does a number have to do with anything its just a number seems like people are more intimidated because they see a number then seeing them actually play.... i mean Harding is not the football program of old when Hinton was here i think people still live in the past too much and worry about a number more then actually studying the team now... yes they have some killer players but they are no where near size wise the way they were years ago Harding is losing tons of students to River Valley its a fact... i mean Pleasant years ago KILLED everyone and no one wanted to leave then... whats the difference with Harding... i mean the school is trying to get turf and upgrade wouldnt that make the MOAC look better? i just dont get it..... 

[hardingmavman]

Sept 5, 2016 20:46:47 GMT -5 babymaker said:

I can see that but how long till the league implodes? At some point that is the logical conclusion to playing 3 Divisions up. Then Harding will be stuck playing against schools their own size and the cycle returns...

Harding is said to actually be div 3 before long again everyone looking at a number.... 

[hardingmavman]

Sept 5, 2016 20:13:52 GMT -5 stanley said:

Pleasant is division 5 in the red division that consists of schools that are divisions 2,3, and 4. Also they struggled last season. For playoffs it's not really necessary for Pleasant to schedule tough non league opponents, nor it is smart coming off a 3-7 season. Shouldn't Harding be dominating the MOAC? Or do you all enjoy being division 2 and choking against smaller schools? Or are you just bitter towards Pleasant because for so many years any halfway decent football player you had transferred to Pleasant knowing they sure as hell weren't gonna win at Harding.

so i take it your from Pleasant.... i was just asking about the schedule that is all... im glad my comment got the post going again though lol i really like the discussion and talking about the MOAC 

[harding]

Hardingmavman why would you say we will be fine with back up QB I know for a fact half our plays were not ran in second half the backup is a good runner but our play calling is limited the kid is a 3 year stater who will have every passing record in the school at the end of year the running back should be back but our best playmaker # 8 is out for this game and pleasant guy u had one of your best 10 grader transferr to Harding this year

[usa70pp]

Two things.
The 10th grader took his attitude with him as well.
Next, the divisions will get redone next year won't they? Any feel by anyone for schools moving up or down in division?

[harding]

I am not sure but Harding might go to 3 we r one of the smallest 2 We r only graduating about 200 now

[Willard Fillmore]

Sept 6, 2016 18:58:35 GMT -5 usa70pp said:

From 2003 to 2011 Harding was a member of the Greater Buckeye Conference.
It consisted of Findlay, Fremont Ross, Lima Senior, Harding, Napoleon and Sandusky.
Napoleon was a 3 and Sandusky a 2. The others were 1s until the last year of the conference when Ross, Senior and Harding dropped to 2.
Harding won the league title in 2003. They then started down. 6-4, 5-5, 5-5, 2-8, 1-9, 4-6, 2-8 and then 3-7. Three of those years the 3, Napoleon, won the title. 2004, 7 and shared in 8.
I used to say "I am north of 70 and I ain't talking about the Interstate." Now it is west of 75 and it still isn't the Interstate.
I'll forgive your implied insult.

Thanks for the confirmation

[moacmama]

How many kids are dressing for Harding on Friday nights? We heard 85. Sometimes, football is a numbers game.

[hardingmavman]

Sept 7, 2016 16:31:05 GMT -5 harding said:

Hardingmavman why would you say we will be fine with back up QB I know for a fact half our plays were not ran in second half the backup is a good runner but our play calling is limited the kid is a 3 year stater who will have every passing record in the school at the end of year the running back should be back but our best playmaker # 8 is out for this game and pleasant guy u had one of your best 10 grader transferr to Harding this year

i didnt think he did too bad of a job... and the biggest problem with the second half was our defense got wore out and couldnt stop their run game... 

[harding]

Sept 7, 2016 20:24:31 GMT -5 moacmama said:

How many kids are dressing for Harding on Friday nights? We heard 85. Sometimes, football is a numbers game.

we had 55 kids dressed last week we have 22 freshman they don't dress have 21 seniors just 4 years ago only had 30 kids on team our youth program is doing great kids r staying together seniors this year were on r first team started with 25 still have 21 or program is starting to turn in the right direction 

[Deleted]

That will start to scare some of the littler schools once your winning becomes more consistent.

[stanley]

Sept 7, 2016 16:01:32 GMT -5 hardingmavman said:

Sept 5, 2016 20:13:52 GMT -5 stanley said:

Pleasant is division 5 in the red division that consists of schools that are divisions 2,3, and 4. Also they struggled last season. For playoffs it's not really necessary for Pleasant to schedule tough non league opponents, nor it is smart coming off a 3-7 season. Shouldn't Harding be dominating the MOAC? Or do you all enjoy being division 2 and choking against smaller schools? Or are you just bitter towards Pleasant because for so many years any halfway decent football player you had transferred to Pleasant knowing they sure as hell weren't gonna win at Harding.

so i take it your from Pleasant.... i was just asking about the schedule that is all... im glad my comment got the post going again though lol i really like the discussion and talking about the MOAC 

Your right, and I acted out of line I'll admit that. I do respect what Pleasant has done and have probably seen more Pleasant games over the past a lot of years than any other MOAC school. Wouldn't consider myself a "Pleasant guy" though. Don't take what I said out on any of the Pleasant guys on here, it's not a reflection on them at all, it was a poor choice on my part. I really don't post negatively about any team or player, I try to always stay positive and just stick to football talk, my reaction to your question, however, was very negative towards Hardings football team and was uncalled for and I apologize for that. Good luck to the Presidents this week! Back to week 3, I'm kind of curious to see how Buckeye Valley fairs out with Johnstown friday. Johnstown is supposed to have a pretty excellent ground game as they did last year, so I'm curious to find out how they plan to attack that.

[presnapread]

hardingavman - I believe you sort of answered your question in you post. Allow me to expand ... The answer is history, Tim Hinton, comparative size and athletes. People remember, some fondly, the days past when Tim Hinton was HFC at Harding. The school was a D I or D II powerhouse and Tim had some excellent seasons. At that time, the RV's, Elgin's and the Pleasant's were the small rural schools surrounding Marion. Now Harding is shrinking, or has shrunk and RV is a little bigger, Pleasant more or less the same and Elgin is smaller. Learned people respect this and understand that the RV's, Pleasant's, perhaps, BV's, NU's and Galion's of the world might be able to compete with Harding since it is getting smaller. Some not so learned peeps just remember the past. No slight intended to JA here, you owned the MOAC last year, might again this year, but then you're gone. However, even though the school size of Harding eventually will be comparable to BV, RV and maybe Galion .... Harding still might possess better/more athletes and speed in comparison to BV, RV and Galion. In HS football, speed kills.

[presnapread]

BV v. Johnstown will be very interesting. BV has the ability to control the LOS "B" gap to "B" gap. How they do, outside of the "B" gaps will be the determining factor in the outcome of the contest. Pleasant has opened up the season with a couple of cupcakes, how they do over the next 8 weeks will show how they are doing with the the departure of Coach Carroll. 

[baseballdad]

I would expect BV's run defense to be very stout vs. the Johnnies. If they have a decent passing game, they could attack that way and use it to open the running game. If they don't have much of a pass attack though, I would expect a very low scoring game. I'm just not sure if BV's offense is at the point yet where they will move the ball consistently enough to score enough points. Hope I'm wrong though.

[stanley]

If BV can contain the Johnnies ground game, I think that would be very impressive.

[presnapread]

Sept 8, 2016 9:08:14 GMT -5 baseballdad said:

I would expect BV's run defense to be very stout vs. the Johnnies. If they have a decent passing game, they could attack that way and use it to open the running game. If they don't have much of a pass attack though, I would expect a very low scoring game. I'm just not sure if BV's offense is at the point yet where they will move the ball consistently enough to score enough points. Hope I'm wrong though.

Although one might want to give them a week or two to get things in perfect timing, BV's "O" is soon going to be as good as they're going to get, which should be quite good. Adding Trent Davies to the lineup helps, the kid's a force.

[usa70pp]

Early projections for MOAC:

Red
JA
Pleasant
BV
RV
NU
Harding
Galion
Fairbanks

Blue
Cardington
MG
Cent
Fred
High
E Knox
Northmor
Elgin

My early season thoughts.
Disagreement with these will suffer the fate of DRAFO.

[babymaker]

I must be one of the few people that believe that Harding is real.

[hardingmavman]

Sept 7, 2016 21:09:46 GMT -5 stanley said:

Sept 7, 2016 16:01:32 GMT -5 hardingmavman said:

so i take it your from Pleasant.... i was just asking about the schedule that is all... im glad my comment got the post going again though lol i really like the discussion and talking about the MOAC 

Your right, and I acted out of line I'll admit that. I do respect what Pleasant has done and have probably seen more Pleasant games over the past a lot of years than any other MOAC school. Wouldn't consider myself a "Pleasant guy" though. Don't take what I said out on any of the Pleasant guys on here, it's not a reflection on them at all, it was a poor choice on my part. I really don't post negatively about any team or player, I try to always stay positive and just stick to football talk, my reaction to your question, however, was very negative towards Hardings football team and was uncalled for and I apologize for that. Good luck to the Presidents this week! Back to week 3, I'm kind of curious to see how Buckeye Valley fairs out with Johnstown friday. Johnstown is supposed to have a pretty excellent ground game as they did last year, so I'm curious to find out how they plan to attack that.

Your fine my post did kind of come off that way and I apologize too I really like how the MOAC is going and hope it stays competitive

[hardingmavman]

Sept 8, 2016 16:01:16 GMT -5 babymaker said:

I must be one of the few people that believe that Harding is real.

Your not the only one Harding could easily be 2-0 right now(should be 1-1...)they are really competitive this year just need to finish a game...

[moacfootballfan]

Presnapread, You mentioned Galion in your size post, but Galion is getting smaller and smaller as well. A once prosperous town of 13000+ now under 10000 due to high local income taxes, high utility rates, and administrative mismanagement.

Galion will continue to get smaller and smaller.

[presnapread]

babymaker, hardingmavman

I BELIEVE, without doubt, that Harding is for real, Coach Brady is an excellent football man. JA is for real, RV is for real and the jury is still out on BV, NU and Galion. Although, after week two I have serious questions about Galion. I just DON'T believe Pleasant is for real, because of the departure of Coach Carroll.

Moacfootballfan - thanks for the demographics on Galion, I was not aware.

usa70pp Looks like I'm suffering the fate of DRAFO, new around here, just not sure what that is.

[blazer]

Sept 9, 2016 7:50:54 GMT -5 presnapread said:

babymaker, hardingmavman

I BELIEVE, without doubt, that Harding is for real, Coach Brady is an excellent football man. JA is for real, RV is for real and the jury is still out on BV, NU and Galion. Although, after week two I have serious questions about Galion. I just DON'T believe Pleasant is for real, because of the departure of Coach Carroll.

Moacfootballfan - thanks for the demographics on Galion, I was not aware.

usa70pp Looks like I'm suffering the fate of DRAFO, new around here, just not sure what that is.

Dude, your avatar in killing me. I read your post in Keith Richards English accent...with a few expletives thrown in.

[presnapread]

blazer: I'll call that "mission accomplished"  --- "Is there nothing I can say, nothing I can do? To change your mind, I'm so in love with you!"

[stanley]

All is fine Mavman
Now let's see how much of a fool I make of myself with these picks for week 3. Looking for a few upsets.
East Knox over Strasburg-Franklin 21-14 = SF got them last year, clueless about them this year, EK seems to be improving.
Cardington over Ontario 28-14 = Perhaps I should give the Pirates more points, who knows.
Utica over Fredericktown 10-6 = Probably everyone will disagree with this one and that's fine. I hope it's not the case, but I have a feeling the wheels might be falling off at Fredericktown. Probably still might not be a good pick, if I nail this one I will probably go to Vegas.
Lucas over Northmor 49-0 = Lucas is just too much in this one
Highland over River Valley 31-28 = Another one that may make some scratch their head, but both teams have a combined 3 losses and all 3 of those teams will probably be in the playoffs.
Mount Gilead over Ridgemont 56-0 = I think the Indians cruise in this one, and have a lot of confidence going in to league play. Perhaps in giving their D too much credit though with a shutout
Danville over Centerburg 35-0 = I don't think the burg was a team they were a year ago, neither is Danville, but I still have the Blue Devils in controlling fashion
Ben Logan over Elgin 42-0 = would like to see the Comets put up a fight, but I can't envision it.
Jon Alder over Amanda Clearcreek 35-14 = Probably oughta make this more of a blowout. We'll see.
Grandview Heights over North Union 28-7
Galion over Keystone 56-0 = Galion shouldn't have issues in this one
Johnstown Monroe over Buckeye Valley 28-14 = Baron faithful seem confident in their run defense, I personally think Jtowns ground game will be too much, however, I would love to eat some crow on this one.
Triad over Fairbanks 21-7 = I guess
Newark over Harding 42-41 = I think this might be the most fun game of the weekend. I see it being a lot like the Newark and MV game a week ago. Hope Harding pulls it out in the end, and I'm wrong on this.

Lastly, good luck to all teams, prayers for an injury free night. There is one red/blue crossover game so the league can't be perfect tonight, but here's to hoping for a 15-1 night for the MOAC.

[usa70pp]

presnapread,
Nothing too bad. It means the comment was...

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Stanley
We wait with baited breath for your Spartan pick.