Check out and do some voting at www.ohsnonline.com

[ohsnonline]

Check out your HS football team's league and team pages and vote for how you think they'll do.

Join us all season for coverage of football and all other NW Ohio sports.

www.ohsnonline.com

[Willard Fillmore]

This was a bad site last year. Lacked accuracy.

[ohsnonline]

It was Willard Fillmore? Just curious, what wasn't accurate? We can only update things when coaches, fans, etc. give us the information.

Schedules are correct (in fact, OHSAA has said that we have more schedules for Fall sports than their own Arbiter). Standings are correct when we have correct scores submitted. Stories are factual and so are the photos.

I know you've had a person vandetta against me in the past, but just curious as to why you feel this site was bad and why you "accuse" it of lacking accuracy.

Thanks.

[ohsnonline]

And sorry if I sound a little defensive, I'm really not trying to be, but we do want to make it the best site around, so honest critiques would be nice...not just saying it "was bad" or "lacked accuracy." Please provide information.

I can tell you that it is/was more accurate then what the Toledo Blade has/had, it provides more articles and photos for FREE that most local papers don't, etc.

We do some "fun" things like creating our own polls that people can critique and say aren't "good," but that's our opinion. Our factual stories are factual.

Thanks - Kyle

[Willard Fillmore]

The NOL basketball records were incorrect most all season, including the final one. Maybe the NOL isn't as important as other leagues. A given since citing the Toledo Blade.

Check out "North Central Ohio Basketball History". 100 times more info, 100 times more accurate. ONE person does all of the work. He ALONE searches for ALL scores everywhere they can be found every week. He doesn't count on anyone to send him info. 

[ohsnonline]

Willard - Despite what you think, one person does all the work of entering schedules, scores, stats, photos, articles, picking up advertisers, etc for all of NW Ohio, not just the NOL and one sport at OHSNonline.com

If a standing was incorrect, it may have been something submitted incorrectly or a simple mistake. If someone would send a note in, it would be fixed just like most papers would fix.

[Willard Fillmore]

Or "Davey1" would be another example of a very accurate site with a lot of info.

One site has over 50 years of info. The other has all scores of all games from all leagues, listed as the season progresses and a way to see the results of all the games for the past 10 years. Also all tournament results from the past 5 years. To be fair we're only talking boys basketball. You mention your schedules. Unless I missed it, all one can see is schedules by calendar day, not for the entire season. Is there a way to see the scores of all games for all past weeks by league? To look at results for previous years? All of which should help increase traffic. That is what you're looking for, is it not?

In one post you say that this site depends on accurate info from others. In another post you say one person does all of the work.

Also, I don't see a schedule for one of the best girl soccer programs in the state, which is the area of the site. 

How can one have a "personal agenda" when there is no "personal" knowledge or "personal" contact. I don't know you from adam. There wasn't a person with the screen name OHSN on NOSF. I just read, seek facts and truth and make posts. Don't take it personal, was only commenting on the site, nothing about you. You were looking for people to do just that weren't you? Or you wouldn't have told us to "checkout". All entities seeking success should always encourage constructive criticism. 

[Deleted]

To be helpful in correcting untruths, the North Central Ohio Basketball History web site has in the past and currently does rely on information being sent to them to keep his records accurately updated. Although he did do a lot of research to get the site started and it has since expanded to a much larger area from when he began, he does ask for assistance at times to keep it accurate. And if there is an error it will be corrected when he receives and email confirming the error.

The same it true with Davey1.com as he requests any information to help keep his page up to date.

Both are great sites for info and it would be exciting to see another that would be free to see during season info.

[ohsnonline]

Willard - Thanks. I appreciate those honest comments so let me respond.

1. First - I only have so much time in my life to cover all the area sports. Our primary coverage area is Sandusky/Ottawa County. Since there was an increase in requests from other schools in NW Ohio asking if we'd do stuff on them (primary stories, stats, etc. we started that). As a news website and a "new" website, our news/info on the site is only from the last few years til now and as we grow year after year, more information will be in the database. Which HS girls soccer team are you referring to (just as point of reference as again, our main coverage area is over here in our area - but if someone from that school wanted to submit scores, schedules, etc. we'd gladly add it).

2. If you go to a sport (let's start with HS football) - Choose a league/team you can navigate back to 2015 season (which was our first season doing it in this format). Each year it will archive the seasons prior.

3. As for schedules for an entire season, you can go to the league page and then click on Game Schedule (it will show you all the games in that league for the entire season - you can click on it per the calendar day.

To view a team's complete schedule by year, go to the team's page and click on game schedule (http://www.ohsnonline.com/schedule/team_instance/2046767?subseason=310474) example.

You can go to HS football and click schedule and see the composite NW Ohio schedule by dates.

Same with any other sport.

Same with going to any particular team and seeing statistics (if/when coaches submit them).

There is also a statistical leader board which can be seen (comparing stats from players all over NW Ohio and sometimes coaches from other schools in Ohio submit as well), but with that said, you can ONLY do as many players/teams that are willing to submit, or that you can find from online newspapers (and most now require that you pay them for reading their articles). Schools, with the exception of many in football, struggle with sending news media (and I've been in it for nearly 20 years with different papers and sites) updated stats, rosters, etc.

For instance, last year we had nearly 77 schools submit stats at one point of the season. Whenever we received them we would be sure to update them, but by week 10 most teams stopped sending them (perhaps because they are done with the season and just want to be done). Who knows?

Regardless, my main purpose of running the site is to produce a place that gives us much recognition to the local athletes and teams, present feature stories throughout the year, and provide a spot for all these features FREE of charge (unlike 99% of newspapers nowadays which charge just to read a 3 sentence summary of a game). We also provide FREE photos to the kids/parents of the teams we are fortunate to cover.

I wish the site could have writers from all parts of NW Ohio and at times some do submit stories and help, but finding people willing to do it in a timely and professional manner is very difficult.

I work a 50-55 hour job (not within this website), have 3 kids, and still find time to get to games, post information, etc. all for our area youth and hopefully some sports enthusiasts will enjoy it, etc. (smile). Must be doing something right as we had over 1/4 million visitors from the end of last August to the end of May.

If the site isn't for you, that's okay. Hopefully there are some features you can use, but if not, I try.



3.

[Willard Fillmore]

I would never question your work ethic and the time required and spent on a worthwhile project. You are a better man than I.

[Willard Fillmore]

Aug 4, 2016 13:42:26 GMT -5 @scooter said:

To be helpful in correcting untruths, the North Central Ohio Basketball History web site has in the past and currently does rely on information being sent to them to keep his records accurately updated. Although he did do a lot of research to get the site started and it has since expanded to a much larger area from when he began, he does ask for assistance at times to keep it accurate. And if there is an error it will be corrected when he receives and email confirming the error.

The same it true with Davey1.com as he requests any information to help keep his page up to date.

Both are great sites for info and it would be exciting to see another that would be free to see during season info.

I did not say that AWE didn't receive help when looking for info from the past. I've helped on occasion. And I am sure both he and Davey gladly accept any correction for a rare error. They must all get corrected before I've seen them.  Bottom line, they do 99.9% of the leg work themselves. Credit where credit is due.

IMO the key to OHSN's site is work done on sports other than boys basketball, we already get MORE than is required for that sport. Also, more write ups about schools outside of Ottawa county would draw more interest. There are always young sports journalists willing to do free work for experience. If asked for, some might be interested. JW, far from young, writes weekly about Madison, Lex and Ontario sports. He might be willing to cut and paste, so those outside of Richland county could read his work. 

[Deleted]

Both site owners ask for help at the beginning of every season and during may send out a request for info. I give credit to all 3 sites for their outstanding efforts. Just letting you know the other 2 are no different than OHSN in their requests, only that you may not get their requests for information.

[Willard Fillmore]

Aug 4, 2016 21:19:30 GMT -5 @scooter said:

Both site owners ask for help at the beginning of every season and during may send out a request for info. I give credit to all 3 sites for their outstanding efforts. Just letting you know the other 2 are no different than OHSN in their requests, only that you may not get their requests for information.

OBVIOUSLY they ask for accurate and updated schedules before the season starts(help?). No need to be secretive scooter/coach/AD. If they have a rare hole in their stats, the OBVIOUS time to request the missing info would be in May(help?), before their seasons are closed out. That request would also go to the coaches/ADs/scooter only. No need to be secretive. Why send requests to the general public???

OBVIOUSLY, they still do 99.9% of the leg work themselves. GIVE credit where credit is due. 

[Deleted]

It's no secret, the requests are sent out to media outlets, ADs and coaches before the season begins. Just as OHSN did. I give credit to all 3.

[Willard Fillmore]

Secretive about the obvious. Never reveal anymore than necessary for anonymity sake. Have you received your request?

[Deleted]

What is obvious is that someone did not know the other 2 great sites do the same thing you attacked Kyle for. They ask for assistance in making their sites better.

I look forward to checking all 3 during sports seasons.

[Willard Fillmore]

What is REALLY obvious is that you're accountable for ANOTHER untruth OR an inability to read at a middle school level OR just obtuse. I criticized the site's accuracy. I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING about "ask for assistance". Neither did OHSN.

99% of what is on all 3 sites is done WITHOUT assistance. You being a purveyor of assistance, why didn't you provide OHSN assistance and assist in making alterations?.

Make an effort to READ and COMPREHEND. Instead of growing what has become a pathological pile of pitiful prevarications. My alliterations for the day.

[Deleted]

You made a reference to a site saying he alone searches for every score and does not rely on others to send him Information but he does. In fact I have sent all three site info over the years. And I have requested corrections on occasion.
You are so focused on creating an argument with most posts that you cannot see when you make a mistake your self. If you see an inaccuracy on the site, let Kyle know instead of beating him up and insulting his work.

[Willard Fillmore]

OBVIOUSLY all sites as these would ask for "assistance" in acquiring the 100s of schedules needed, before the season starts. OBVIOUSLY help in correcting errors would be appreciated. OBVIOUSLY all sites would ask for "assistance" correcting errors before the books are closed on the season. OBVIOUSLY all sites would ask for "assistance" searching for historical data they're missing.

My point, that went right over your head, is that those who have these sites do HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS of work ON THEIR OWN acquiring scores of games, maintaining league and non-league records and other tasks, the VAST majority of the work load. You have INSULTED ALL who have such sites by refusing to acknowledge who does 99% of the work maintaining the site. Instead YOU want credit for "assisting", a MINUSCULE effort in comparison. GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE!!!

You're not the only one who "assists". You so quick to seek credit, you make me reveal that "in fact", I too have "assisted" by correcting errors, helped when info from the past was missing and suggested a change or two. You are not as important as you perceive.

The truth IS NOT "beating up". Making suggestions for improvement IS NOT "beating up".

OHSN said to me, "Thanks, I appreciate those honest comments." Scooty, can't you read???

OHSN said to me, "Despite what you think, one person does all of the work". Scooty, can't you read??? See, he thought I was saying others cut into the 99%, when it was you giving others credit and seeking it yourself for "assisting". He agrees with MY position that those who run these sites do 99% of the work on their own. Give credit, instead of seeking credit. It doesn't look good. 

Thus, it is OBVIOUS that YOU would be the one insulting and seeking an argument.

[Deleted]

This was Willard giving credit to OHSN:
" This was a bad site last year. Lacked accuracy."

[Willard Fillmore]

Willard then said, "I would never question your work ethic and the time required and spent on a worthwhile project. You are a better man than I."

Can you point a sentence of yours on this thread that was more complementary of OHNS?

[Deleted]

ha ha ha. Compliment or just another obvious statement.

[Willard Fillmore]

The debate has concluded. I've whittled you down to a weak non sequitur comment.

[Deleted]

DEBATE???

lmao...

[Willard Fillmore]

I'm giving you a chance to sound semi-intelligent by saying debate. We all know that you would prefer the ugly term argument. The best you have is lmao???

[Deleted]

ARGUMENT!!

lmfao😂😂😂

[Willard Fillmore]

Aug 6, 2016 23:29:27 GMT -5 @scooter said:

You are so focused on creating an argument with most posts 

From above, your words, your belief. You would lmfao at yourself. 

[Deleted]

YOU debate, YOU argue. The rest of us just post. 👌

[Willard Fillmore]

No, YOU "post" over and over and over and over and over again on the same thread. NINE times on the same subject on this thread. Which sure as hell makes a debate. Obviously YOU never took a Debate Class in college or have been on a Debate Team or YOU would recognize it for what it is. If YOU don't want a debate, "post" a couple of times and move on.

[Deleted]

LMAO, I post what I want to say.