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Post by sportsjock on Jan 5, 2017 20:01:49 GMT -5
Sports fans typically show their fickle nature when things don't pan out according to expectations. Amazing how quickly we are willing to turn on J.T. and lay the offensive woes in his lap. *J.T. was co-recipient of the Chicago Tribune Silver Football Award (Best player Big Ten) *2014 & 2016 Griese-Breese Award (QB of the Year Award) *Big Ten coaches named him co-winner of the Silver Football Award (Big Ten Best Player) *2014 & 2016 1st Team All-Big Ten (voted by coaches & media)
OSU Records Most Career Touchdowns - 100 Most Career Passing Touchdowns - 69 Most Season Total Offense - 3,772 (2014) Most Season Touchdowns - 45 (2014) Most Season Passing Touchdowns - 34 (2014) Most Game Touchdowns - 7 (2016) Most Game Passing Touchdowns - 6 (2014, 2016)
Big Ten Records Most Season Total Touchdowns - 45 (2014)
2017 - J.T. Barrett will own virtually every Ohio State QB record
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Post by tommygunn on Jan 6, 2017 8:08:00 GMT -5
JT WILL BE ON THE FIELD next year for Ohio State barring injury. If he gets beat out at the QB position then I would expect Meyer to find away to use him in other creative ways. I don't. JT is not BM. JT is much slower and does not have the quickness that BM did when running the ball. As for being a WR? Too slow.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 6, 2017 8:39:27 GMT -5
Sports fans typically show their fickle nature when things don't pan out according to expectations. Amazing how quickly we are willing to turn on J.T. and lay the offensive woes in his lap. *J.T. was co-recipient of the Chicago Tribune Silver Football Award (Best player Big Ten) *2014 & 2016 Griese-Breese Award (QB of the Year Award) *Big Ten coaches named him co-winner of the Silver Football Award (Big Ten Best Player) *2014 & 2016 1st Team All-Big Ten (voted by coaches & media) OSU Records Most Career Touchdowns - 100 Most Career Passing Touchdowns - 69 Most Season Total Offense - 3,772 (2014) Most Season Touchdowns - 45 (2014) Most Season Passing Touchdowns - 34 (2014) Most Game Touchdowns - 7 (2016) Most Game Passing Touchdowns - 6 (2014, 2016) Big Ten Records Most Season Total Touchdowns - 45 (2014) 2017 - J.T. Barrett will own virtually every Ohio State QB record I can assure you, J.T. Barrett will be the starting QB next year, barring injury or any other unforeseen occurance.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 6, 2017 11:14:35 GMT -5
when you start 4 years at a program like OSU you are going to set some records...but, be that as it may, Barrett has not developed as a passer at all, and has regressed as a runner...i think these facts are indisputable
whether you want to attribute the dropoff to Barrett or the talent around him, that's up for dispute
like most folks i just wanna see the kid get better...wish he wouldn't have gotten suspended in the weeks leading up to MSU in 2015, and i am starting to think we all caught a break when he went down in 2014
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 6, 2017 14:35:17 GMT -5
when you start 4 years at a program like OSU you are going to set some records...but, be that as it may, Barrett has not developed as a passer at all, and has regressed as a runner...i think these facts are indisputable whether you want to attribute the dropoff to Barrett or the talent around him, that's up for dispute like most folks i just wanna see the kid get better...wish he wouldn't have gotten suspended in the weeks leading up to MSU in 2015, and i am starting to think we all caught a break when he went down in 2014 You present very legitimate points. I think the regression we witnessed this year was largely due, in part to the offensive line issues and an inexperienced receiving corp, that more often than not, did not play to the level needed to elevate the passing game. Also consider, Zeke was an outstanding blocker and his running abilities had defenses on their heels, more apt to bite on the play action. Regression or not, the Big Ten coaches and the media understood that he is a superior QB. National media also recognized that fact in naming him 3rd team All-American. I fully expect with fresh, new ideas and instructional input from the new coaching personnel, It's going to produce the J.T. Barrett we all know he can be.
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Post by misterbreeze on Jan 6, 2017 16:23:27 GMT -5
I agree with your points as being factors, but also wonder if the changes in play calling since Herman left aren't more important. For example, bubble screens and jet sweeps seemed to disappear in the last 2 yrs but were staple plays before. I never saw a practice to know if the new players just couldn't execute those plays or if the coaches just didn't use them. JT does need to hit on more of his deep throws.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 6, 2017 18:25:34 GMT -5
I agree with your points as being factors, but also wonder if the changes in play calling since Herman left aren't more important. For example, bubble screens and jet sweeps seemed to disappear in the last 2 yrs but were staple plays before. I never saw a practice to know if the new players just couldn't execute those plays or if the coaches just didn't use them. JT does need to hit on more of his deep throws. Absolutely, play calling became less imaginative and more predictable after Herman's departure. Bubble screen? You've got a good long term memory....lol No doubt, his deep toss accuracy has been an issue, but I suspect is, in many cases, inexperienced receivers making wrong cuts, running wrong routes, not finishing their assigned route, not being where they should be etc., can make a good QB look bad and appear off the mark.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 6, 2017 18:40:16 GMT -5
when you start 4 years at a program like OSU you are going to set some records...but, be that as it may, Barrett has not developed as a passer at all, and has regressed as a runner...i think these facts are indisputable whether you want to attribute the dropoff to Barrett or the talent around him, that's up for dispute like most folks i just wanna see the kid get better...wish he wouldn't have gotten suspended in the weeks leading up to MSU in 2015, and i am starting to think we all caught a break when he went down in 2014 You present very legitimate points. I think the regression we witnessed this year was largely due, in part to the offensive line issues and an inexperienced receiving corp, that more often than not, did not play to the level needed to elevate the passing game. Also consider, Zeke was an outstanding blocker and his running abilities had defenses on their heels, more apt to bite on the play action. Regression or not, the Big Ten coaches and the media understood that he is a superior QB. National media also recognized that fact in naming him 3rd team All-American. I fully expect with fresh, new ideas and instructional input from the new coaching personnel, It's going to produce the J.T. Barrett we all know he can be. totally i'm still not sure i'd rather have anyone behind center than Barrett, but he did not look good the last half of the season hopefully his teammates elevate themselves AND him next season...and if complaining about Barrett being our starting QB is all we have to complain about then Urban is certainly doing his job like Fillmore has stated before, this team is ridiculously young and i didn't think they would make the playoffs this year, they are nothing if not ahead of schedule
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 6, 2017 20:14:11 GMT -5
The quality of the depth at QB is the only reason for the anti JT faction.
I found this conclusion by 11warrior staff interesting, "It's hard to envision any scenario in which anybody but Barrett is Ohio State's quarterback in 2017."
Sportsjock, to you point. It will be FAR FAR easier for the breath of fresh air on the offensive staff and the O-line with a year of experience to help with an improvement in JT's game. As opposed to taking a QB who has never started a college game, teach him from scratch to be a read option QB, give him time to get comfortable with receivers, teach him how to read defenses, teach how to go through progressions on pass plays and teach him how to check off plays. ALL things JT has done for 2 years
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 6, 2017 20:31:23 GMT -5
I agree with your points as being factors, but also wonder if the changes in play calling since Herman left aren't more important. For example, bubble screens and jet sweeps seemed to disappear in the last 2 yrs but were staple plays before. I never saw a practice to know if the new players just couldn't execute those plays or if the coaches just didn't use them. JT does need to hit on more of his deep throws. Think about this. Herman's play calling for Houston this year wasn't good enough to beat Navy or SMU.
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Post by misterbreeze on Jan 7, 2017 11:13:50 GMT -5
I didn't see Houston play this year so can't weigh in on how much play calling affected those outcomes. I suspect that it wasn't a factor in their losses but only a hunch. I believe it was a factor in the Clemson game and others for OSU, but not the only factor. Given the inexperience in key positions, I thought Clemson should have been favored over OSU so no surprise to me that the Bucks lost. Like most everyone else, I expected a much better performance from the OSU offense. The coaching changes since then validate that expectation.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jan 7, 2017 12:00:57 GMT -5
Cardale Jones did pretty good in his first start 59 points vs Wisconsin Cardale Jones did pretty good in his second start 42 points vs Alabama Cardale Jones did pretty good in his third start 42 points vs Oregon Cardale Jones was 11-0 as a starter. Cardale Jones never got a DUI
JT Barrett just put up 0 in yet another loss. JT is going to get beat out and will not be starting next year. Maybe Urban will move him to a better position for him. Motivational speaker.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 7, 2017 12:22:53 GMT -5
Cardale Jones did pretty good in his first start 59 points vs Wisconsin Cardale Jones did pretty good in his second start 42 points vs Alabama Cardale Jones did pretty good in his third start 42 points vs Oregon Cardale Jones was 11-0 as a starter. Cardale Jones never got a DUI JT Barrett just put up 0 in yet another loss. JT is going to get beat out and will not be starting next year. Maybe Urban will move him to a better position for him. Motivational speaker. I'll take that bet.
Don't know what a traffic citation has to do with anything, but J.T. owned up to his error in judgement, electing to drive a friend home who was very inebriated. No character issues here, but a lesson learned.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2017 19:10:18 GMT -5
I didn't see Houston play this year so can't weigh in on how much play calling affected those outcomes. I suspect that it wasn't a factor in their losses but only a hunch. I believe it was a factor in the Clemson game and others for OSU, but not the only factor. Given the inexperience in key positions, I thought Clemson should have been favored over OSU so no surprise to me that the Bucks lost. Like most everyone else, I expected a much better performance from the OSU offense. The coaching changes since then validate that expectation. Herman's play calling couldn't be a factor in Houston wins and losses. But Herman's loss of play calling at Ohio State is the reason for all close wins and losses???
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Post by ronburgandy on Jan 7, 2017 21:23:25 GMT -5
Noah Brown entering NFL draft. Didn't see that one coming.
Also Kyle Trout and Evan Lisle are transferring.
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Post by misterbreeze on Jan 7, 2017 21:37:26 GMT -5
I didn't see Houston play this year so can't weigh in on how much play calling affected those outcomes. I suspect that it wasn't a factor in their losses but only a hunch. I believe it was a factor in the Clemson game and others for OSU, but not the only factor. Given the inexperience in key positions, I thought Clemson should have been favored over OSU so no surprise to me that the Bucks lost. Like most everyone else, I expected a much better performance from the OSU offense. The coaching changes since then validate that expectation. Herman's play calling couldn't be a factor in Houston wins and losses. But Herman's loss of play calling at Ohio State is the reason for all close wins and losses??? Uh no. That's what you deduced from my posts? You are getting a bit off track.
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Post by 4 on Jan 7, 2017 23:41:21 GMT -5
Brown going to the draft makes it almost forsure that, 4 star out of Cleveland commits, rumors about Torrance Gibson also speculating and landed okudah today. Future is bright as ever. Grimes a day 1 starter next year probably.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 8, 2017 6:29:34 GMT -5
Noah Brown is another player that has come and gone, without showing his great potential in a Buckeye uniform, mostly due to unfortunate injuries. Hope he gets the opportunity to exhibit his abilities at the next level.
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Post by ronburgandy on Jan 8, 2017 10:29:55 GMT -5
Brown going to the draft makes it almost forsure that, 4 star out of Cleveland commits, rumors about Torrance Gibson also speculating and landed okudah today. Future is bright as ever. Grimes a day 1 starter next year probably. I disagree about grimes being a day 1 starter. For one he's coming off an ACL surgery so who knows when he'll be completely back to 100%. But secondly, there's still a lot of guys here in front of him, like Benjamin victor, Paris Campbell, Austin Mack, kj hill, terry mclaurin, possibly Gibson. WR's here also have to be willing to block and block well to get playing time and I have no idea what grimes is like blocking, we obviously see his other skills though. He'll definitely be a stud here though.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jan 8, 2017 11:19:12 GMT -5
Meet your 2017 starting QB. Freshman QB's worked out fine at Alabama and USC. Ohio State's current starter can't throw the ball, OSU's starter in 9 months can throw the ball, he even knows how to look down field and throw it farther than 1 foot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 11:41:11 GMT -5
Urban is going to have to stop giving redshirts. You only allowed to receive one if you are a QB or you're injured. Get these big time recruits out on the field
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 8, 2017 12:08:22 GMT -5
Meet your 2017 starting QB. Freshman QB's worked out fine at Alabama and USC. Ohio State's current starter can't throw the ball, OSU's starter in 9 months can throw the ball, he even knows how to look down field and throw it farther than 1 foot. Again, I'll take that bet!
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 8, 2017 13:49:01 GMT -5
To a certain degree I wonder if JT returning had something to do with Brown leaving. Hard to say. The top Insider on Rivals-- Nevada sure thinks the world of Wilson.
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 8, 2017 17:44:36 GMT -5
man that was a sick highlight film, that Tate kid can motor eh?
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 8, 2017 22:35:31 GMT -5
Tate Martell has all the tools and attributes that legends are made of, he could be the next great chapter in Ohio State football.
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Post by 4 on Jan 9, 2017 1:47:55 GMT -5
Kids worth ethic is insane. He wants to be great , he wants to prove a 5'10 qb can be the best in the country. He's gonna be really good.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 9, 2017 8:06:58 GMT -5
If Samuel sticks around and Wilson gets signed on the dotted line finally,,no reason to think this offense can't be pretty special with the number of guys back and having a year of experience. Pretty ironic that next years opener is at Indiana.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jan 9, 2017 11:23:34 GMT -5
man that was a sick highlight film, that Tate kid can motor eh? From the highlights he plays like Johnny Manziel. Hopefully he's like Manziel on the field and not like him off the field.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jan 9, 2017 11:32:19 GMT -5
Tate Martell's HS stats are unreal, this year he had 41 TD passes and 1 INT and ran for 1,257 yards and 21 TD's. And he didn't put up stats and lose, he went 45-0 as a starter in his career.
He transferred after the season so he can graduate early and enroll at The Ohio State University. After OSU's pathetic display of offense in the last 3 games of the year expect all 11 offensive roster spots to be an open competition. JT better learn how to pass quick because Tate '41-1 TD to INT ratio' Martell is coming to campus and plans on starting.
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Post by sportsjock on Jan 9, 2017 12:12:02 GMT -5
Kids worth ethic is insane. He wants to be great , he wants to prove a 5'10 qb can be the best in the country. He's gonna be really good. Actually, Tate is a durable 5-11 205 As Rambo pointed out, we'll have a healthy competition at QB. It's J.T.'s job to lose at this point.
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