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Post by sithbucknut77 on Oct 8, 2018 21:22:01 GMT -5
^^the voice of reason. Keep him in the pocket at all costs.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 8, 2018 22:09:41 GMT -5
WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT THAT GOLDEN ARM RUNNING?!!?! you guys are morons Yeah, we've seen the futile running. I agree, keep him in the pocket. This year's running game has fallen off 2 ypc from last year, because the read option is out and defenses no longer have to account for this QB who's legs are no threat, instead they are keying on Weber or Dobbins. I'm perfectly OK with having a pure, pocket passer. But if we consign to that approach, we better damn well have RB's that offer a balance of run/pass. Ohio State has always presented a strong ground game to set up the passing game. Urban has expressed a concern in reviving our running attack. No one saw this coming, as we started the first two games with a strong rushing game, but that has since dwindled in it's capacity. I have confidence the coaches will figure this out.
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Post by cbus on Oct 9, 2018 10:16:00 GMT -5
I agree the running game is bad. I hope we don't run into really bad passing weather against Michigan or Michigan St.
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Post by dude on Oct 9, 2018 11:00:05 GMT -5
In 6 games the Buckeyes are averaging 201yds rushing and 364yds passing which #2 of all FBS teams.
In the 2017 season the Buckeyes averaged 243yds rushing and 262yds passing which was #4 of all FBS teams.
In the 2016 season the Buckeyes averaged 245yds rushing and 213yds passing which was #33 of all FBS teams.
In the 2015 season the Buckeyes averaged 245yds rushing and 188yds passing which was #40 of all FBS teams.
Some are saying we have become one dimensional but we are down a small amount from what we have been averaging in recent years rushing but more than made up for it in passing average.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 9, 2018 16:12:10 GMT -5
LOL the JT contingency ripping Haskins cause he ain't Marcus Allen.
BARRETT COULDN'T RUN EITHER CLODS lolz. He was a 10-Yard Fight player living in a Tecmo Bowl World.
We hated on Barrett cause we didn't think he was any good, you guys are hating on Haskins because he is better than Barrett. How predictable.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 9, 2018 21:09:07 GMT -5
LOL the JT contingency ripping Haskins cause he ain't Marcus Allen. BARRETT COULDN'T RUN EITHER CLODS lolz. He was a 10-Yard Fight player living in a Tecmo Bowl World. We hated on Barrett cause we didn't think he was any good, you guys are hating on Haskins because he is better than Barrett. How predictable. Nobody is 'ripping' Dewayne, just coming to the reality he has a lot of areas for improvement. The coaching staff revealed they are starting to incorporate the zone read into the offensive repertoire and it isn't an easy adaption process. J.T. Barrett would move this offense just as effectively, but the time of possession would be much more favorable to the Buckeyes and perhaps aid the defense in their evolvement and maturation process. Most probably Haskins less experience and abilities at reading defenses and lack of scrambling ability is affecting this team team in ways, that are certainly a behind the scenes challenge to coaches Day and Wilson and may be one element of all the various contributing factors creating the sluggish rushing game we have been faced with the past four games. Haskins has a great work ethic and and a terrific attitude and willingness to learn those areas he needs to improve on. I'm not at all upset with these realities, but we need to be patient and expect improvement in these areas of his quarterbacking. There's no question, Haskins has already proven to be a great QB, but he can be an elite QB one day. Hopefully that 'one day' wil be when he's still wearing a Buckeye uniform. Last season, all the offensive coaches, including Urban Meyer expressed what a plus it was to have a very knowledgeable, experienced and seasoned QB Barrett on the field, stating that it was like having a coach on the field to make immediate analysis of situations, checking off and getting us in the most advantageous offensive set and assuring the players are in their correct position adjustments.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 9, 2018 21:59:21 GMT -5
In 6 games the Buckeyes are averaging 201yds rushing and 364yds passing which #2 of all FBS teams. In the 2017 season the Buckeyes averaged 243yds rushing and 262yds passing which was #4 of all FBS teams. In the 2016 season the Buckeyes averaged 245yds rushing and 213yds passing which was #33 of all FBS teams. In the 2015 season the Buckeyes averaged 245yds rushing and 188yds passing which was #40 of all FBS teams. Some are saying we have become one dimensional but we are down a small amount from what we have been averaging in recent years rushing but more than made up for it in passing average. Let's forget the irrelevant rushing yardage shown in a broad generality over the course of a season. Upon further analysis and noting the important stats, we easily find the same picture that the coaching staff sees and it is an alarming trend. If it was Wall Street, they would be screaming SELL! SELL! First of all I'm not that interested in overall yardage, what's important is YPC and there was a dropoff of production with 2017 yielding 5.8 YPC and a very distinguishable decline to 4.7 YPC in 2018 and it's is especially alarming and magnified, giving that in 2018 there was 42.8 ATT. Per Game vs. 42 ATT. Per Game in 2017. So, let's take a look at the alarming rushing decline we are experiencing in 2018. Again if this was a trend chart on a wall on Wall Street....SELL! SELL! Yes, a very consistent and trending decline. Oregon State 7.3 YPC......5.0 RTD's........377 YDS. RUSHING Rutgers.........5.6 YPC......5.6 RTD's........226 YDS. RUSHING TCU..............4.3 YPC......1.0 RTD's........182 YDS. RUSHING Tulane..........4.0 YPC......2.0 RTD'S........151 YDS. RUSHING Penn St.........3.2 YPC......1.0 RTD'S........119 YDS. RUSHING Indiana.........3.2 YPC......1.0 RTD'S........151 YDS. RUSHING
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Post by dude on Oct 9, 2018 22:58:19 GMT -5
My point was, the nice thing is we have a QB now who can pass the ball and pick up the needed yardage when teams focus on stopping our run game.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 10, 2018 3:49:41 GMT -5
No one misses Barrett. Trust me. Cept James Franklin.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 10, 2018 3:50:45 GMT -5
My point was, the nice thing is we have a QB now who can pass the ball and pick up the needed yardage when teams focus on stopping our run game. Come on man, you don't miss those three yard qb keepers on 3rd and 5?
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 10, 2018 8:31:07 GMT -5
My point was, the nice thing is we have a QB now who can pass the ball and pick up the needed yardage when teams focus on stopping our run game. Come on man, you don't miss those three yard qb keepers on 3rd and 5? That's what we are seeing presently, Barrett was Mr. Clutch on crucial 3rd down situations. I do appreciate Haskins great arm, but he is far from where he needs to be as the total QB package.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 10, 2018 8:34:11 GMT -5
Regular Season under Urban Meyer 37-0 every QB not named JT Barrett IV 36-5 JT Barrett IV
Why are people acting like JT Barrett IV was the greatest thing since sliced bread? Do they like losing? I like winning, 37-0 > 36-5. Then we have a guy on here telling us Dwayne Haskins needs to learn how to run to be a good QB? Huh? This guy must think Tom Brady stinks and Tom could learn a thing or two from JT Barrett IV.
The worst thing Ohio State could do is crank up the read option with Haskins. Are they trying to bang up his arm and make him a bad passer like noodle arm Barrett? How did Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, etc win so many Super Bowls? Must have been the read option on 3rd and 1. How about the O-Line block like men and the RB's run like men and get the first down. Hershel Walker is shaking his head as he reads this thread. Hershel ran like a man, maybe Dobbins and Weber need to run like men and not little boys. Read option, lol
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 10, 2018 9:20:35 GMT -5
First 6 games of 2017 vs Indiana - 304 Pass, 292 Rush vs Oklahoma - 183 Pass, 167 Rush vs Army - 316 Pass, 270 Rush vs UNLV - 474 Pass, 190 Rush vs Rutgers - 353 Pass, 275 Rush vs Maryland - 303 Pass, 281 Rush 5-1 record - most important stat 1,933 Pass Yards, 322 a game - 1,475 rush yards, 245 a game -- 568 Total YPG
Barrett led OSU in carries vs Oklahoma - 18 carries at a 3.7 clip. Dobbins and Weber had 16 carries COMBINED, Dobbins, 5.5 ypc, and Weber 9.7 ypc. Ball Hog Barrett with another ball hog loss.
First 6 games of 2018 vs Oregon St - 346 Pass, 375 Rush vs Rutgers - 354 Pass, 255 Rush vs TCU - 308 Pass, 208 Rush vs Tulane - 419 Pass, 151 Rush vs Penn State - 270 Pass, 119 Rush vs Indiana - 455 Pass, 154 Rush 6-0 record - most important stat 2,152 Pass Yards, 359 a game - 1,262 rush yards, 210 a game -- 569 Total YPG
So playing a TOUGHER schedule through 6 games Ohio State is averaging the same yards per game as they were through 6 games last year and instead of losing the only tough game like last year the Buckeyes have instead won both tough games this year. 6-0 > 5-1
The one loss last year was when JT Barrett IV ball hogged the ball from his teammates. Haskins is 2-0 in tough games this year and in both games instead of ball hogging like JT IV, Haskins has instead shared the ball with his teammates and won both.
4 & 5 star O-Linemen 4 & 5 star RB's 4 & 5 star WR's Better for the QB to distribute the ball to 4 & 5 star players than for the QB to ball hog the ball and run it every play when they have 1 star running abilities like Barrett IV had. <--- That's why we lost every big game that he went into ball hog mode. You can't win big games with a QB with 1 star running abilities running it every play while never letting Zeke get the ball (MSU 2015) or Dobbins and Weber the ball (OU 2017).
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 10, 2018 15:03:05 GMT -5
Come on man, you don't miss those three yard qb keepers on 3rd and 5? That's what we are seeing presently, Barrett was Mr. Clutch on crucial 3rd down situations. I do appreciate Haskins great arm, but he is far from where he needs to be as the total QB package. Except all those times he wasn't, losing to unranked teams and a backup little brother. Good lord.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 10, 2018 15:09:57 GMT -5
So busy letting your hatred for J.T. distort the facts as they are, that you can assemble illogical reasoning to support your hypothesis.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 10, 2018 15:31:19 GMT -5
hi pot my name is kettle
it's nice to meet you
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 10, 2018 15:38:47 GMT -5
In 6 games the Buckeyes are averaging 201yds rushing and 364yds passing which #2 of all FBS teams. In the 2017 season the Buckeyes averaged 243yds rushing and 262yds passing which was #4 of all FBS teams. In the 2016 season the Buckeyes averaged 245yds rushing and 213yds passing which was #33 of all FBS teams. In the 2015 season the Buckeyes averaged 245yds rushing and 188yds passing which was #40 of all FBS teams. Some are saying we have become one dimensional but we are down a small amount from what we have been averaging in recent years rushing but more than made up for it in passing average. Let's forget the irrelevant rushing yardage shown in a broad generality over the course of a season. Upon further analysis and noting the important stats, we easily find the same picture that the coaching staff sees and it is an alarming trend. If it was Wall Street, they would be screaming SELL! SELL! First of all I'm not that interested in overall yardage, what's important is YPC and there was a dropoff of production with 2017 yielding 5.8 YPC and a very distinguishable decline to 4.7 YPC in 2018 and it's is especially alarming and magnified, giving that in 2018 there was 42.8 ATT. Per Game vs. 42 ATT. Per Game in 2017. So, let's take a look at the alarming rushing decline we are experiencing in 2018. Again if this was a trend chart on a wall on Wall Street....SELL! SELL! Yes, a very consistent and trending decline. Oregon State 7.3 YPC......5.0 RTD's........377 YDS. RUSHING Rutgers.........5.6 YPC......5.6 RTD's........226 YDS. RUSHING TCU..............4.3 YPC......1.0 RTD's........182 YDS. RUSHING Tulane..........4.0 YPC......2.0 RTD'S........151 YDS. RUSHING Penn St.........3.2 YPC......1.0 RTD'S........119 YDS. RUSHING Indiana.........3.2 YPC......1.0 RTD'S........151 YDS. RUSHING I spent considerable time putting the stats together and wouldn't you know it, 11 Warriors came out with the same stats and pretty much echo my findings as well. Urban Meyer comments on the dwindling and shrinking www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/10/97460/minnesota-week-mic-check-runnin-on-empty ground game.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 10, 2018 15:59:33 GMT -5
YPA is the only stat that matters these days.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Oct 10, 2018 20:26:21 GMT -5
Sportsjock,
37-0 any QB not named JT in regular season 36-5 JT’s record in regular season
The Urban era is so much better with any schmuck on the team playing than it was with JT.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 10, 2018 21:35:55 GMT -5
Surely you aren't so stupid to suggest Ohio State would be undefeated with 6 National Titles if JT never played a game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 10, 2018 21:42:48 GMT -5
Could Tate Martell be that dual threat ? ABSOLUTELY, but if he gets hurt a graduate transfer from WV that came in a month before the season stated to run the scout team, becomes the backup.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 10, 2018 21:43:44 GMT -5
Haskins is every bit the running threat that Cardale was. Running 'threat'? Cardale was physically intimidating, when he tucked it in. Haskins a running 'threat'? LOL.............. He runs like someone's grandmother.. I think with time and experience, he can become at least respectable. Time is up after this year.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 10, 2018 21:49:10 GMT -5
LOL the JT contingency ripping Haskins cause he ain't Marcus Allen. BARRETT COULDN'T RUN EITHER CLODS lolz. He was a 10-Yard Fight player living in a Tecmo Bowl World. We hated on Barrett cause we didn't think he was any good, you guys are hating on Haskins because he is better than Barrett. How predictable. YOU and your buddy Dumbo are the ONLY haters. You even admit it. Which makes you a not very bright hater.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 10, 2018 21:53:31 GMT -5
Barrett led OSU in carries vs Oklahoma - 18 carries at a 3.7 clip. Dobbins and Weber had 16 carries COMBINED, Dobbins, 5.5 ypc, and Weber 9.7 ypc. Ball Hog Barrett with another ball hog loss. The one loss last year was when JT Barrett IV ball hogged the ball from his teammates. Haskins is 2-0 in tough games this year and in both games instead of ball hogging like JT IV, Haskins has instead shared the ball with his teammates and won both. . You are a complete ignoramus when it comes to football. QB's run the plays that are signaled in from the sideline. I have no idea why you're working at McDonalds when you should be the head coach at Ohio State. Are you dump's older brother?
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 11, 2018 18:35:20 GMT -5
can we wait til Haskins loses a game to compare him to JT?
until them his only comp is Cardale
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 11, 2018 22:20:51 GMT -5
Ohio State fans can be quoted line and verse why we like Haskins as our QB. However, Pro Football Focus ranks Haskins as the #3 QB in the Big Ten behind Penn State's McSorley and Wisconsin's Hornibrook. Their reasons are the following:
1) "Haskins' Average Depth of Target is 7.9 yards past the line of scrimmage, 2nd lowest in the league. 54.8% of his yardage is after the catch, thanks to his receivers."
2) "Haskins has thrown more passes behind the line of scrimmage than all other Big ten QB's."
3) "Of all the QBs in the Big Ten, Haskins has targeted passes short of the 1st down marker the most often at 61.6%."
4) "Haskins has much to thank his O-line for. He has been kept "clean" from pressure on 79.7% of his passes, the most in the Big Ten."
5) "Haskins sees a significant drop in QB efficiency from 147.2 to 46.9 when pressured. Yes, QBs see a drop in efficiency when pressured, but more than a 100 point drop is massive and the biggest of any QB in the Big Ten."
Don't shoot the messenger.
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Post by dude on Oct 12, 2018 7:17:18 GMT -5
can we wait til Haskins loses a game to compare him to JT? until them his only comp is Cardale Yes we can. Haskins after only 6 games is already being compared to top QBs in the Big Ten with multiple seasons as a starter.
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Post by 1percenter on Oct 12, 2018 8:07:13 GMT -5
Ohio State fans can be quoted line and verse why we like Haskins as our QB. However, Pro Football Focus ranks Haskins as the #3 QB in the Big Ten behind Penn State's McSorley and Wisconsin's Hornibrook. Their reasons are the following: 1) "Haskins' Average Depth of Target is 7.9 yards past the line of scrimmage, 2nd lowest in the league. 54.8% of his yardage is after the catch, thanks to his receivers." 2) "Haskins has thrown more passes behind the line of scrimmage than all other Big ten QB's." 3) "Of all the QBs in the Big Ten, Haskins has targeted passes short of the 1st down marker the most often at 61.6%." 4) "Haskins has much to thank his O-line for. He has been kept "clean" from pressure on 79.7% of his passes, the most in the Big Ten." 5) "Haskins sees a significant drop in QB efficiency from 147.2 to 46.9 when pressured. Yes, QBs see a drop in efficiency when pressured, but more than a 100 point drop is massive and the biggest of any QB in the Big Ten." Don't shoot the messenger. From reading that shouldn't he be ranked 14th in the Big Ten. All I got out of that was that they think he sucks, so why did they rank him all the way up at 3?
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 12, 2018 9:40:18 GMT -5
Ohio State fans can be quoted line and verse why we like Haskins as our QB. However, Pro Football Focus ranks Haskins as the #3 QB in the Big Ten behind Penn State's McSorley and Wisconsin's Hornibrook. Their reasons are the following: 1) "Haskins' Average Depth of Target is 7.9 yards past the line of scrimmage, 2nd lowest in the league. 54.8% of his yardage is after the catch, thanks to his receivers." 2) "Haskins has thrown more passes behind the line of scrimmage than all other Big ten QB's." 3) "Of all the QBs in the Big Ten, Haskins has targeted passes short of the 1st down marker the most often at 61.6%." 4) "Haskins has much to thank his O-line for. He has been kept "clean" from pressure on 79.7% of his passes, the most in the Big Ten." 5) "Haskins sees a significant drop in QB efficiency from 147.2 to 46.9 when pressured. Yes, QBs see a drop in efficiency when pressured, but more than a 100 point drop is massive and the biggest of any QB in the Big Ten." Don't shoot the messenger. From reading that shouldn't he be ranked 14th in the Big Ten. All I got out of that was that they think he sucks, so why did they rank him all the way up at 3? I don't think anyone is suggesting Haskins sucks. We are all enthralled with his passing abilities. What the change in offensive approach to the passing game is born out of making up for the lack of a consistent running game. When you have to resort to the pass to move the markers, demands the shorter passing game, swing passes, screens, quick outs and slants etc. Hopefully we can revitalize the rushing attack and get back to stretching the field more often and capitalizing on Haskins great arm...once again.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 12, 2018 11:27:13 GMT -5
can we wait til Haskins loses a game to compare him to JT? until them his only comp is Cardale Yes we can. Haskins after only 6 games is already being compared to top QBs in the Big Ten with multiple seasons as a starter. what does that have to do with JT Barrett? top QBs in the Big-10 don't get smoked like fine rock coke @ IOWA
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