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Post by sportsjock on Oct 8, 2019 8:04:34 GMT -5
You're right, you can say anything you want on, even it only has a one in billion chance of happening. But such a practice can make one look bad. Why must one ask for clarification? Shouldn't you mean what you say the first time? Or are you making this up as you go? You're talking silliness. If athletes are going to be paid by Universities JUST to play a sport. Then they can be fired after the first game or for that matter before the season starts if their boss(coach) doesn't like the way they're preforming their "job". "Employees" can leave a job at any time they want for a different job. "Employees" can go on strike. I've never heard of an "employer" that limits the length of employment for their employees to a maximum of 5 years. OR are college athletes going to now play for 20 years? I was on a debate team in college, you better watch out. lolz The nature of the English language is one grounded in subjectivity and impreciseness. When any Supreme Court case is brought up, no argument that is made avoids questions of clarification from the justices. Not to mention that many of the people making those arguments are the best in the country. It's part of life lol. I think colleges/universities should be able to fire and hire athletes at will. Those players can go on strike, they can play for as long as the schools will let them, ect... I also think collegiate athletics will die long term, if we are being honest. And I think it's for the better of those kids anyways. I also debated in college, and it's not a useful approach when communicating ideas with people lol. In debate, people try to twist the meaning of other peoples words to undermine their argument, infer things that were not intended, and avoid any attempt in reaching a consensus (whether they agree on what the base assumptions are being made, or whether the facts have made only one side viable). This is a discussion with strangers and no stakes (unless you really value internet points). The only thing of value we can really get out of this is an understanding of each other's viewpoints (so we better empathize with other mindsets), and a more refined approach when talking about these subjects in real life. Opinions are like buttholes.....everyone's got one. Unfortunately, we run into those who's opinions are so ridiculous and off the wall, that defies common logic, in their vain attempt to stir a discussional controversy.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 8, 2019 11:14:51 GMT -5
The nature of the English language is one grounded in subjectivity and impreciseness. When any Supreme Court case is brought up, no argument that is made avoids questions of clarification from the justices. Not to mention that many of the people making those arguments are the best in the country. It's part of life lol. I think colleges/universities should be able to fire and hire athletes at will. Those players can go on strike, they can play for as long as the schools will let them, ect... I also think collegiate athletics will die long term, if we are being honest. And I think it's for the better of those kids anyways. I also debated in college, and it's not a useful approach when communicating ideas with people lol. In debate, people try to twist the meaning of other peoples words to undermine their argument, infer things that were not intended, and avoid any attempt in reaching a consensus (whether they agree on what the base assumptions are being made, or whether the facts have made only one side viable). This is a discussion with strangers and no stakes (unless you really value internet points). The only thing of value we can really get out of this is an understanding of each other's viewpoints (so we better empathize with other mindsets), and a more refined approach when talking about these subjects in real life. A typical position by the losing side of a debate. lolz
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 8, 2019 11:52:58 GMT -5
In all team sports, coaches promote and emphasize the importance of TEAM concept and TEAM first. When big money comes into play the importance shrinks and in most cases, disappears altogether. Hail, the holy dollar!
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 8, 2019 12:26:37 GMT -5
you live an income free life boss?
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 8, 2019 12:42:37 GMT -5
you live an income free life boss? LOL.....don't get me wrong, cant disagree with their decision and can't say I wouldn't opt on the safe side as well. Just sayin', greed and the almighty dollar is much more prominent in this day and age.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 8, 2019 12:47:39 GMT -5
living is a greedy business
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Post by cbus on Oct 8, 2019 18:55:06 GMT -5
So what is going to stop an OSU fan from getting an autograph from Justin Fields and paying him $50K? Or better yet promising to do that with Justin while he's still at Georgia or while he's still in High School (if he transfers to OSU). I think the colleges are worried about this because that same donor might decrease his contribution to the University by the $50K he gave to Justin. The most talented team will be the one with the most wealthy fans. I don't think anyone wants that. Or am I missing something? Why waste a minute of time on a garbage, hypothetical topic that has zero chance of ever coming to being. No doubt there are idiots and forces out there, bent on dismantling and destroying college sports and amateur sports in America. Not gonna happen. Let's move on..... As I understand it, this could happen in California in 2023.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 8, 2019 21:09:01 GMT -5
Why waste a minute of time on a garbage, hypothetical topic that has zero chance of ever coming to being. No doubt there are idiots and forces out there, bent on dismantling and destroying college sports and amateur sports in America. Not gonna happen. Let's move on..... As I understand it, this could happen in California in 2023. California won't receive a slam dunk on this. Let's just wait and see what the NCAA's approach is going to be. No matter what, if it doesn't get shot down in the courts, there will be some form of mutual resolution, like deferred payment till the student graduates. As ESPN was discussing the other day, some form of rule that a deferred trust, that can only be accessed after a diploma is in hand.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 8, 2019 23:00:02 GMT -5
wrong
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Post by heresjim on Oct 9, 2019 1:11:01 GMT -5
The nature of the English language is one grounded in subjectivity and impreciseness. When any Supreme Court case is brought up, no argument that is made avoids questions of clarification from the justices. Not to mention that many of the people making those arguments are the best in the country. It's part of life lol. I think colleges/universities should be able to fire and hire athletes at will. Those players can go on strike, they can play for as long as the schools will let them, ect... I also think collegiate athletics will die long term, if we are being honest. And I think it's for the better of those kids anyways. I also debated in college, and it's not a useful approach when communicating ideas with people lol. In debate, people try to twist the meaning of other peoples words to undermine their argument, infer things that were not intended, and avoid any attempt in reaching a consensus (whether they agree on what the base assumptions are being made, or whether the facts have made only one side viable). This is a discussion with strangers and no stakes (unless you really value internet points). The only thing of value we can really get out of this is an understanding of each other's viewpoints (so we better empathize with other mindsets), and a more refined approach when talking about these subjects in real life. A typical position by the losing side of a debate. lolz This isn't a debate, considering you have no idea what we are debating (just try and outline it lol). You are just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.
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Post by dude on Oct 9, 2019 7:15:53 GMT -5
You are just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 9, 2019 8:36:26 GMT -5
Merely your opinion, but I think my views will prove correct. Either way, will be very interesting how this plays out.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 9, 2019 9:38:11 GMT -5
if i'm in college and work for McDonald's no one puts it in a trust til i get a diploma
FREE market.
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Post by cbus on Oct 9, 2019 13:05:32 GMT -5
As I understand it, this could happen in California in 2023. California won't receive a slam dunk on this. Let's just wait and see what the NCAA's approach is going to be. No matter what, if it doesn't get shot down in the courts, there will be some form of mutual resolution, like deferred payment till the student graduates. As ESPN was discussing the other day, some form of rule that a deferred trust, that can only be accessed after a diploma is in hand. It's illogical that under the subject General Banter, you are promoting no banter.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 9, 2019 13:29:10 GMT -5
Believe me, there is plenty of banter on here....lol
The deferred payment approach will preserve the amateur status of college sports and not set a precedent. I think athletes will fully understand, you can't be a NCAA collegiate athlete and violate NCAA rules and guidelines. They will either comply with the rules & guidelines or find something else to do with their life. If they are no longer a participating and competing athlete, everything else is a moot point.
The hosts on ESPN were taking it a step further, suggesting a stipulation that the person in question, must receive their degree, before the money is released. No diploma, no money.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 9, 2019 15:51:25 GMT -5
It's illogical that under the subject General Banter, you are promoting no banter. On the topic of General Banter... “Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.” – George S. Patton “Age wrinkles the body. Quitting wrinkles the soul.” – Douglas MacArthur “To get the best out of your men, they must feel that you are their real leader and must know that they can depend upon you.” – John J. Pershing “It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.” – William T. Sherman “It is better to offer no excuse than a bad one.” – George Washington
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 19:45:10 GMT -5
“Everyone has a plan until you get punched in the mouth”
Mike Tyson
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Post by Whittaker on Oct 9, 2019 21:14:58 GMT -5
"Ipso this, you pissy little female dog!"
_______ Andy Sipowicz
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Post by cbus on Oct 10, 2019 13:39:19 GMT -5
"I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but, by God, they terrify me." ---Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington (1769-1852)
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Post by cbus on Oct 10, 2019 13:46:22 GMT -5
Believe me, there is plenty of banter on here....lol The deferred payment approach will preserve the amateur status of college sports and not set a precedent. I think athletes will fully understand, you can't be a NCAA collegiate athlete and violate NCAA rules and guidelines. They will either comply with the rules & guidelines or find something else to do with their life. If they are no longer a participating and competing athlete, everything else is a moot point. The hosts on ESPN were taking it a step further, suggesting a stipulation that the person in question, must receive their degree, before the money is released. No diploma, no money. Even under a deferred payment plan, a booster could overpay for an autograph which will reward the student/athlete at some point and could be some incentive to attend that University whether from high school or by transfer. It seems like it will be a can of worms unless there is some mechanism to prevent the over payment.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 10, 2019 14:09:17 GMT -5
Believe me, there is plenty of banter on here....lol The deferred payment approach will preserve the amateur status of college sports and not set a precedent. I think athletes will fully understand, you can't be a NCAA collegiate athlete and violate NCAA rules and guidelines. They will either comply with the rules & guidelines or find something else to do with their life. If they are no longer a participating and competing athlete, everything else is a moot point. The hosts on ESPN were taking it a step further, suggesting a stipulation that the person in question, must receive their degree, before the money is released. No diploma, no money. Even under a deferred payment plan, a booster could overpay for an autograph which will reward the student/athlete at some point and could be some incentive to attend that University whether from high school or by transfer. It seems like it will be a can of worms unless there is some mechanism to prevent the over payment. I agree. No matter what the rules and parameters may be, someone is going to cheat. What a mess. Bet the NCAA is working well into the nights, discussing and addressing all the conceivabilities. Still think any form of direct payment will not be allowed, under any circumstances. Some form of oversight, third party would handle the monetary end of things, documentation and distribution when that time comes.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 10, 2019 16:18:58 GMT -5
THEY ARE ALREADY CHEATING YOU MORONS
good lord you guys are over reactionary pansies rofl
these are adults we are talking about, when my grandfather was 18 he was in Europe getting shot at by freaking Werewolves AND YOU ARE AFRAID OF A SYSTEM THAT PAYS ADULTS FOR WORKING HARD?
how does one over pay for an autograph? lolZ, this is a Free Market Economy, the market for autographs is whatever someone is willing to pay
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 10, 2019 16:21:38 GMT -5
the university doesn't even need to be involved, they aren't the ones paying, and the reality is this will only affect like .00001% of College Athletes anyway, good lord even high-end Pros RARELY get $$$ for things like sneaker endorsements, they generally just get a bunch of free loot that they have to pay taxes on...if you think companies are going to be rushing out to get an 18-year old to be the face of their company then you really are about as dumb as it gets
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 10, 2019 22:05:53 GMT -5
There will be no direct payments to athletes and maintain eligibility, simply not going to happen.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 10, 2019 22:25:48 GMT -5
sure kid
and Urban is going to coach at OSU forever
THEY ARE ALREADY GETTING PAID DIRECTLY BY BOOSTERS YOU FOOL, just ask Troy Smith <B
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 10, 2019 22:42:02 GMT -5
sure kid and Urban is going to coach at OSU forever THEY ARE ALREADY GETTING PAID DIRECTLY BY BOOSTERS YOU FOOL, just ask Troy Smith <B Baloney............ Your insinuation, if it has any validity, is a direct violation of NCAA rules. So you are saying a blatant rules violation, somehow legitimizes other rules violations?
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 10, 2019 23:17:54 GMT -5
I am saying it is ok to pay adults money. Because it is. Stop the Pollyanna routine it is making you look like a sheltered fool.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 11, 2019 7:15:47 GMT -5
I am saying it is ok to pay adults money. Because it is. Stop the Pollyanna routine it is making you look like a sheltered fool. I agree with you on that, except...adults must abide by rules and regulations, that's part of being an adult. The last sentence has me laughing over my coffee......lol Thanks for starting my day off with laughter. Always enjoy your humor, my friend.
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Post by cbus on Oct 11, 2019 7:43:21 GMT -5
how does one over pay for an autograph? lolZ, this is a Free Market Economy, the market for autographs is whatever someone is willing to pay OK, so if normal people stop by the Easton Mall autograph signing kiosk and pay some 5 star recruit from Pickerington $5 for his autograph that's cool. But if a Michigan alum stops by and pays him $10K and says there's more where that came from if you go to Michigan. Does the Pickerington player accept the scholarship from Ohio State or Michigan? Does he talk to the next OSU alum and tell him Michigan just paid me $10K what are you going to do? Are you bothered at all by that scenario?
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 11, 2019 8:23:34 GMT -5
how does one over pay for an autograph? lolZ, this is a Free Market Economy, the market for autographs is whatever someone is willing to pay OK, so if normal people stop by the Easton Mall autograph signing kiosk and pay some 5 star recruit from Pickerington $5 for his autograph that's cool. But if a Michigan alum stops by and pays him $10K and says there's more where that came from if you go to Michigan. Does the Pickerington player accept the scholarship from Ohio State or Michigan? Does he talk to the next OSU alum and tell him Michigan just paid me $10K what are you going to do? Are you bothered at all by that scenario? The obvious answer is.....the NCAA will not allow college athletics to deteriate to such a level and won't consider going there.
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