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Post by dude on Feb 22, 2019 15:10:04 GMT -5
Didn't you say that all 5 starters would be starters for other schools? But only 3 received MOAC recognition and only 2 by the district coaches. Yes, that was my opinion. Most agreed with three (Hoffman, Pugh, Schwemley). Hoffman obviously suffered a season ending injury. I put Stephens in that category and I used the post giving him honorable mention as a argument that someone agrees with me. That leaves one more. My fifth would be Lance. He’s fundamentally sound (won’t hurt you), athletic (right around six feet and can dunk), and I’ve seen him in double digits scoring. All of this is my opinion. I was making the argument during the discussion about Shelby’s disappointing season. My opinion is that I am surprised at this year’s outcome. Injuries played a roll. They beat Lex at full strength. They weren’t ever after that. Obviously I cannot prove my opinion. I quoted the guy’s conference honors to support my opinion. Someone agrees with you that he is the 3rd best active player on the team. If Hoffman would be playing he would be the 4th and probably had not seen any MOAC honors. I respect everyone's opinion but some opinions can be totally out in left field. I've known swimmers that can dunk but they would not start on any high school basketball team. Congrats on your Lex win at home. Although Shelby may have been at full strength it is obvious Lex was not as they lost 6 days later to a team they beat by 30+ a month later, but that could also be considered an opinion. Besides, winning a game does not mean a team has 5 players that could all be starters at any other school.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 22, 2019 15:26:59 GMT -5
You are not paying attention. This kid DID NOT "make" honorable mention. He was personally placed on the Honorable Mention team by just ONE person, his coach. The ONLY person who "concurs with you" is coach Schwemley, You know, that guy responsible for the underachieving. The coaches doing the actual VOTING for All-League believe TWO Shelby players are worthy of All League honors. Using your logic you would have to believe all other players on Honorable Mention could also replace a starter on all area teams. Those players are EQUAL, they were are placed on Honorable Mention by their coaches. One of your multitudes of questions was find someone who agrees with me. Found one. Have you forgotten your own questions?!? Honorable Mention is a poor reason to assume a player is worthy of replacing a player on every team in this area. Honorable mention is like a birthday gift, it's like a participation ribbon. Again, this ONE person, the head coach of the Shelby team, the head coach of this Senior player, the person you blame for underachievement of this team., The ONE you say agrees with you. All he did was PUT this player on Honorable Mention. Honorable Mention is not voted on by the other 7 head coaches in the league. . Again if you believe the Shelby player GIVEN Honorable Mention is worthy of replacing a starter on every team in the area, it then follows you must think the other 7 given Honorable Mention MUST also be able to replace a starter on every team in the area. These 8 players on Honorable Mention are EQUAL, they were all placed on Honorable Mention by their own coach
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2019 16:17:20 GMT -5
Yes, that was my opinion. Most agreed with three (Hoffman, Pugh, Schwemley). Hoffman obviously suffered a season ending injury. I put Stephens in that category and I used the post giving him honorable mention as a argument that someone agrees with me. That leaves one more. My fifth would be Lance. He’s fundamentally sound (won’t hurt you), athletic (right around six feet and can dunk), and I’ve seen him in double digits scoring. All of this is my opinion. I was making the argument during the discussion about Shelby’s disappointing season. My opinion is that I am surprised at this year’s outcome. Injuries played a roll. They beat Lex at full strength. They weren’t ever after that. Obviously I cannot prove my opinion. I quoted the guy’s conference honors to support my opinion. Someone agrees with you that he is the 3rd best active player on the team. If Hoffman would be playing he would be the 4th and probably had not seen any MOAC honors. I respect everyone's opinion but some opinions can be totally out in left field. I've known swimmers that can dunk but they would not start on any high school basketball team. Congrats on your Lex win at home. Although Shelby may have been at full strength it is obvious Lex was not as they lost 6 days later to a team they beat by 30+ a month later, but that could also be considered an opinion. Besides, winning a game does not mean a team has 5 players that could all be starters at any other school. Again, it’s my opinion. Choose to disagree. I presented evidence in support of my opinion. You stated why you think the evidence is weak. Your opinion. Careful not to take my point out of context. I didn’t say the Lance kid was worthy because he could dunk period. It indicates he’s athletic. He’s barely six feet tall. That’s only one of three points I made in support of my opinion (and I could add a couple more).
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2019 16:31:32 GMT -5
One of your multitudes of questions was find someone who agrees with me. Found one. Have you forgotten your own questions?!? Honorable Mention is a poor reason to assume a player is worthy of replacing a player on every team in this area. Honorable mention is like a birthday gift, it's like a participation ribbon. Again, this ONE person, the head coach of the Shelby team, the head coach of this Senior player, the person you blame for underachievement of this team., The ONE you say agrees with you. All he did was PUT this player on Honorable Mention. Honorable Mention is not voted on by the other 7 head coaches in the league. . Again if you believe the Shelby player GIVEN Honorable Mention is worthy of replacing a starter on every team in the area, it then follows you must think the other 7 given Honorable Mention MUST also be able to replace a starter on every team in the area. These 8 players on Honorable Mention are EQUAL, they were all placed on Honorable Mention by their own coach In most instances the third best player on a team is better than the fifth best on another. See my previous post where it is my opinion that most teams have a liability at number five.
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Post by dude on Feb 22, 2019 22:24:41 GMT -5
Someone agrees with you that he is the 3rd best active player on the team. If Hoffman would be playing he would be the 4th and probably had not seen any MOAC honors. I respect everyone's opinion but some opinions can be totally out in left field. I've known swimmers that can dunk but they would not start on any high school basketball team. Congrats on your Lex win at home. Although Shelby may have been at full strength it is obvious Lex was not as they lost 6 days later to a team they beat by 30+ a month later, but that could also be considered an opinion. Besides, winning a game does not mean a team has 5 players that could all be starters at any other school. Again, it’s my opinion. Choose to disagree. I presented evidence in support of my opinion. You stated why you think the evidence is weak. Your opinion. Careful not to take my point out of context. I didn’t say the Lance kid was worthy because he could dunk period. It indicates he’s athletic. He’s barely six feet tall. That’s only one of three points I made in support of my opinion (and I could add a couple more). Frankly you provided very little to support the opinion that 5 Shelby players could start for any area team. 8 players were on the MOAC HM list. Most of them would not play anywhere other than their own school. Let's not forget you have him as the third best player on a 10-11 team. And, Lance could not even start at his own. That's not opinion, that's fact.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2019 22:28:53 GMT -5
Again, it’s my opinion. Choose to disagree. I presented evidence in support of my opinion. You stated why you think the evidence is weak. Your opinion. Careful not to take my point out of context. I didn’t say the Lance kid was worthy because he could dunk period. It indicates he’s athletic. He’s barely six feet tall. That’s only one of three points I made in support of my opinion (and I could add a couple more). Frankly you provided very little to support the opinion that 5 Shelby players could start for any area team. 8 players were on the MOAC HM list. Most of them would not play anywhere other than their own school. Let's not forget you have him as the third best player on a 10-11 team. And, Lance could not even start at his own. That's not opinion, that's fact. Lance is a sophomore. My opinion of him will bear out over the next two years. Time will tell.
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Post by dude on Feb 22, 2019 22:31:57 GMT -5
Frankly you provided very little to support the opinion that 5 Shelby players could start for any area team. 8 players were on the MOAC HM list. Most of them would not play anywhere other than their own school. Let's not forget you have him as the third best player on a 10-11 team. And, Lance could not even start at his own. That's not opinion, that's fact. Lance is a sophomore. My opinion of him will bear out over the next two years. Time will tell. In two years he may be a starter for other teams, but not now, as you claimed.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2019 22:41:33 GMT -5
Lance is a sophomore. My opinion of him will bear out over the next two years. Time will tell. In two years he may be a starter for other teams, but not now, as you claimed. How many sophomores have you seen step into a starting roll mid season and score double digits?
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Post by utsherman on Feb 22, 2019 22:44:58 GMT -5
For the love of Pete, it’s LANTZ, not Lance. Geez, for the amount of bloviating over roster acumen on this thread, you can’t even get the name right.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2019 22:55:44 GMT -5
Now we’re focusing on the right thing. Grammar and spelling.
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Post by dude on Feb 22, 2019 22:58:12 GMT -5
In two years he may be a starter for other teams, but not now, as you claimed. How many sophomores have you seen step into a starting roll mid season and score double digits? I've seen freshman do it. Isn't Pugh a sophomore? So I guess I have seen a sophomore transfer to your school and be the best player in games. So at Shelby it may be a little bit easier.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 22, 2019 23:01:57 GMT -5
In two years he may be a starter for other teams, but not now, as you claimed. How many sophomores have you seen step into a starting roll mid season and score double digits? Scoring double digits in A game OR 2 is not unusual for a Sophomore. Last year Ontario had a Freshman starter AVERAGE double digits for the SEASON. This year Ontario has TWO Sophomore starters averaging double digits for the SEASON. One is two years ahead of Lantz, the other is one year ahead of Lantz. Who has yet to average double figures for a SEASON. He won't until he's a Junior....maybe.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 22, 2019 23:04:35 GMT -5
Now we’re focusing on the right thing. Grammar and spelling. Knowing how to spell the name of a player you're promoting as starter for every school in the area is a HECK OF A LOT DIFFERENT than you're/your. It's embarrassing for you and your position.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2019 23:07:58 GMT -5
Now we’re focusing on the right thing. Grammar and spelling. Knowing how to spell the name of a player you're promoting as starter for every school in the area is a HECK OF A LOT DIFFERENT than you're/your. It's embarrassing for you and your position. So you’re saying his name is more important than his game? That makes sense.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 22, 2019 23:14:28 GMT -5
I'm saying THE PERSON who is promoting a player for BIG THINGS should know how to spell his name. It is embarrassing for you and your position, not for the player
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2019 23:26:35 GMT -5
I'm saying THE PERSON who is promoting a player for BIG THINGS should know how to spell his name. It is embarrassing for you and your position, not for the player I’m not embarrassed. Substance over spelling. Pardon me. I don’t buy programs because spelling doesn’t influence my opinion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 22, 2019 23:31:32 GMT -5
It doesn't matter that you're not embarrassed when all others see differently. There is NO substance for a promoter if he can't spell the name of the individual he's promoting. Heck even Don King could spell the names of those he promoted.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2019 23:37:57 GMT -5
It doesn't matter that you're not embarrassed when all others see differently. There is NO substance for a promoter if he can't spell the name of the individual he's promoting. Spoken like someone who knows little about the game and a lot about grammar. Clearly your expertise is in English not basketball. Ask the mods to create a spelling section and like Karthik Nemmani you can finally be a winner.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 22, 2019 23:39:45 GMT -5
Typical response by a LOSER of a debate
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2019 23:44:49 GMT -5
Typical response by a LOSER of a debate Saying something doesn’t make it true. It may in your head. I invite you to come have a discussion about the game. Anywhere, anytime. I, unlike many, am man enough to stand by my arguments. Beer sometime, somewhere?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 22, 2019 23:53:02 GMT -5
I took Debate in college. I know what resigning sounds like.
Not much of a beer drinker. How about a lobster dinner and a bottle of Dom Perignon at Sky Way East. I'll introduce you to my brother who manages the place. He too enjoys a good debate.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2019 23:55:38 GMT -5
I took Debate in college. I know what resigning sounds like. Not much of a beer drinker. How about a lobster dinner and a bottle of Dom Perignon at Sky Way East. I'll introduce you to my brother who manages the place. He too enjoys a good debate. When? I’ll be there. And if you took debate in college you missed a few classes or didn’t do too well.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 23, 2019 0:10:31 GMT -5
How about after the State Tournament, first Saturday in April, 7:00. We'll make a night of it. I'll bring my wife, bring your significant other and your credit card. I'm only gonna pay for half of the $500 check. Let's see if Dude and his significant other wants to join us. You'll have to ask him, he doesn't have the nerve to read my posts or accept PMs.
You took Debate??
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 23, 2019 0:25:09 GMT -5
How many sophomores have you seen step into a starting roll mid season and score double digits? Scoring double digits in A game OR 2 is not unusual for a Sophomore. Last year Ontario had a Freshman starter AVERAGE double digits for the SEASON. This year Ontario has TWO Sophomore starters averaging in double digits for the SEASON. One is two years ahead of Lantz, the other is one year ahead of Lantz. Who has yet to average double figures for a SEASON. He won't until he's a Junior....maybe. I know this about basketball and how to spell their names, Shaver and Kurtz. I also know how to spell VanArsdalen. It's not Nemmani, it's Namenyi another player for Ontario One needs to be very careful spelling and pronouncing high school athletes names. Parents can be quite sensitive about this
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 23, 2019 9:15:18 GMT -5
Unless some new information arises I think we’ve beaten this dead horse. We disagree. Not the first time. Most people who visit this site are probably sick of the back and forth.
I may take you up in the dinner. It’s tough for me to plan that far out. I’ll PM you when it gets closer. I doubt my wife will come along. She thinks such discussions are childish and she’s probably right. Maybe dude will want to come, too. I’m game.
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Post by dude on Feb 23, 2019 13:25:46 GMT -5
I took Debate in college. I know what resigning sounds like. Not much of a beer drinker. How about a lobster dinner and a bottle of Dom Perignon at Sky Way East. I'll introduce you to my brother who manages the place. He too enjoys a good debate. Feb 23, 2019 9:15:18 GMT -5 fanofthegame said: I may take you up in the dinner. It’s tough for me to plan that far out. I’ll PM you when it gets closer. I doubt my wife will come along. She thinks such discussions are childish and she’s probably right. Maybe dude will want to come, too. I’m game. No chance I would be there. I am more of a steak on the grill guy and champagne is never on my menu.
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Post by mrsteel on Feb 23, 2019 13:37:38 GMT -5
I took Debate in college. I know what resigning sounds like. Not much of a beer drinker. How about a lobster dinner and a bottle of Dom Perignon at Sky Way East. I'll introduce you to my brother who manages the place. He too enjoys a good debate. I bet John adds 20% to your check
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Post by malabar10 on Feb 23, 2019 14:33:50 GMT -5
How about after the State Tournament, first Saturday in April, 7:00. We'll make a night of it. I'll bring my wife, bring your significant other and your credit card. I'm only gonna pay for half of the $500 check. Let's see if Dude and his significant other wants to join us. You'll have to ask him, he doesn't have the nerve to read my posts or accept PMs. You took Debate?? May I suggest The Top?? Great nostalgia with great food!! In Columbus!!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 23, 2019 15:46:13 GMT -5
Unless some new information arises I think we’ve beaten this dead horse. We disagree. Not the first time. Most people who visit this site are probably sick of the back and forth. I may take you up in the dinner. It’s tough for me to plan that far out. I’ll PM you when it gets closer. I doubt my wife will come along. She thinks such discussions are childish and she’s probably right. Maybe dude will want to come, too. I’m game. There is nothing wrong with differing opinions. If those opinions were never expressed and debated, what a dull world it would be.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 23, 2019 15:54:11 GMT -5
Feb 23, 2019 9:15:18 GMT -5 fanofthegame said: I may take you up in the dinner. It’s tough for me to plan that far out. I’ll PM you when it gets closer. I doubt my wife will come along. She thinks such discussions are childish and she’s probably right. Maybe dude will want to come, too. I’m game. No chance I would be there. I am more of a steak on the grill guy and champagne is never on my menu. Then invite us to your house for steaks on your grill, when it warms up. I'll bring the steaks from Sky Way. Their secret, they age them for two weeks in their cooler, before they use them. I can get a good deal from brother John. I'll drink the beverage of your choice. How does that sound to you fanofthegame? How about ohioraised, maybe he'd like to come? Should be invite the wives? Let me know a couple weeks in advance, so I can get my order in for the steaks with enough lead time. fan, quote this post so dude can read it. Since he chooses not to read my posts, but will read them when they're quoted by others.
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