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Post by sportsjock on Nov 20, 2018 8:41:35 GMT -5
Pretty good observations by buckeyekid and fbfan. I much prefer the power-I or pro-I for running the ball, with that big physical lead blocker, as we had with Woody and other previous coaches. We've had some great FB's through the years, and now when we need to pound the ball in the red zone, we don't even have that option because none exists on our roster.
The 90% chance Haskins is jumping is wrong. This guys returning next year. I think he has already stated that fact.
Indiana was successful with the quick slants and crossing patterns vs. M and I think we will be seeing a lot of that from the Buckeyes. I think we will see Haskins targeting the Dobbins or Webber out of the backfield. I hope they're working hard on bubble screens this week as well. What I hate is the lateral motion plays (sweeps & end arounds) that have produced nothing this year. Perhaps the logic is, it sets up some other plays, but I doubt it.
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Post by cbus on Nov 20, 2018 14:22:45 GMT -5
I don't think the Buckeyes can run the ball on Michigan and I hope they don't try for very long. Hopefully, the weather is good and Haskins can throw the ball about 50 times. Otherwise, we'll probably be in the Liberty Bowl.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 19:08:02 GMT -5
I don't think the Buckeyes can run the ball on Michigan and I hope they don't try for very long. Hopefully, the weather is good and Haskins can throw the ball about 50 times. Otherwise, we'll probably be in the Liberty Bowl. If the Buckeyes lose they will be headed to the Rose Bowl, unless Northwestern wins the B1G or Michigan somehow is left out of the Playoffs
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 20, 2018 19:10:25 GMT -5
Who goes to the Rose Bowl the Big Ten runner up or the 2nd place team in a Division?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 20, 2018 19:15:32 GMT -5
I want everyone to watch how the run first U of M O-line lines up and fires off the ball. Compared to how the OSU pass first O-line lines up and plays patty cake on run plays. I noticed this also and agree with you 100%. The responsibility rests with the coaching. Perhaps earlier in the season against some of the "patty cake" opponents they should have seen this and run Dobbins 37 times in those games instead of building Haskin's Heisman stats. The offensive "coaching" had to decide what kind of offensive identity this team was going to have. Once the decision was made that Haskins was going to be the starter. The O-line had to practice pass blocking more than run blocking. Their most important responsibility would be to protect Haskins.
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Post by Birdman on Nov 20, 2018 20:45:46 GMT -5
This years team has frustrated me for many reasons. The biggest being how at times the offense looks unstoppable and then other time anything better than lack luster.
Michigan is playing by far the most talented set of WR’s and RB’s they have seen this year. Will be interesting how things match up and how they try and stop all those playmakers.
I am interested to see if Martell make an appearance in certain packages like he has the last few weeks.
Buckeyes win this Saturday they will make it as high as 6 or 7. I can’t see a win against Northwestern catapult them into the top 4 though.
I also dont think they are far and away from the top 4 when it comes to offense. Defensively though they’re no where close. They would have to outscore everyone.
Heard a report Haskins might leave heard one where he is 110% staying. I guess we will find out soon enough.
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Post by purefan on Nov 20, 2018 21:11:51 GMT -5
The x factor will come down to which coach makes the needed adjustments at the right time. My money is on urban. I think he has harbaugh’s number. When the buckeyes beat ttun and then beat northwestern i would find it hard to believe they would be left out of playoffs. I’m not saying they would be one of the 4 best teams in the country....but who’s to say they aren’t? Would any of the other 1 loss teams have a better resume assuming the top 3 remain undefeated?
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 20, 2018 23:51:07 GMT -5
i've been watching this Defense since we gave up 30+ to stinking Oregon State
we made mediocre teams like Maryland and Penn State and TCU look like world-beaters...Maryland with a Freshman RB and a Backup QB running the show
i cannot for the life of me believe our wet toilet-paper D can stop anyone, and i have a hard time believing they will stop a motivated and hungry UM
so we will have to outscore them...Haskins and Day better be ready to shoot to kill
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Post by cbus on Nov 21, 2018 7:05:55 GMT -5
I don't think the Buckeyes can run the ball on Michigan and I hope they don't try for very long. Hopefully, the weather is good and Haskins can throw the ball about 50 times. Otherwise, we'll probably be in the Liberty Bowl. If the Buckeyes lose they will be headed to the Rose Bowl, unless Northwestern wins the B1G or Michigan somehow is left out of the Playoffs Yea, I know. Just being a little facetious. I assume the Rose Bowl would invite the Buckeyes due to our fan base.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 21, 2018 8:22:26 GMT -5
UM has played 4 road games. ND a loss 24-17 where they did not look good, however ND is undefeated. Patterson stats were average. NW a win 20-17 where they pulled it out with a rushing TD in the 4th quarter. I feel like NW let this one get away. Patterson was average. MSU a win 21-7 in a rivalry game. Is this really a road game? Patterson was decent, UM defense shut down MSU completely. Rutgers a win 41-7 -- worst team in the Big 10 and one of the worst in the country.Patterson was just better than average.
These UM game results give me some hope for a win. How the opposing QB plays on the road in this series goes a long way towards a V or L. Urbans' record in Rivalry games is very good. As a home underdog it's even better. Being that this could conceivably be Urbans' last OSU home game, I think the team finds a way to make it happen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 8:28:59 GMT -5
If the Buckeyes lose they will be headed to the Rose Bowl, unless Northwestern wins the B1G or Michigan somehow is left out of the Playoffs Yea, I know. Just being a little facetious. I assume the Rose Bowl would invite the Buckeyes due to our fan base. Actually the rankings and conference affiliation are used to determine the New Year’s six bowls. The bowls are contracted to take conference schools: Rose (PAC 12-B1G) Sugar (SEC-Big 12) Fiesta (2 at large) Peach (2 at large) Top group of 5 ranked team goes to the Fiesta or Peach If a team from a contractual obligated bowl makes the playoff and a team in that conference is ranked in the top 12 they must be selected. Current replacements: B1G:Ohio State SEC: Georgia Those final rankings matter much more than just the 4 playoff teams. Georgia could fall below LSU. Ohio State could fall below Penn St (not likely). If the Bucks do fall below Penn St they would go to either the Peach or Fiesta. Of course the best thing would be for the Bucks would be to win Saturday
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Post by fbfan on Nov 21, 2018 9:14:06 GMT -5
The x factor will come down to which coach makes the needed adjustments at the right time. My money is on urban. I think he has harbaugh’s number. When the buckeyes beat ttun and then beat northwestern i would find it hard to believe they would be left out of playoffs. I’m not saying they would be one of the 4 best teams in the country....but who’s to say they aren’t? Would any of the other 1 loss teams have a better resume assuming the top 3 remain undefeated?UCF was ranked #9 by the committee last night. OSU still #10 (surprisingly ?). If UCF and OSU both win out, no way OSU jumps them. Payback to UCF for slighting them last year. IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 11:11:29 GMT -5
The x factor will come down to which coach makes the needed adjustments at the right time. My money is on urban. I think he has harbaugh’s number. When the buckeyes beat ttun and then beat northwestern i would find it hard to believe they would be left out of playoffs. I’m not saying they would be one of the 4 best teams in the country....but who’s to say they aren’t? Would any of the other 1 loss teams have a better resume assuming the top 3 remain undefeated?UCF was ranked #9 by the committee last night. OSU still #10 (surprisingly ?). If UCF and OSU both win out, no way OSU jumps them. Payback to UCF for slighting them last year. IMO. Ohio State would have a win over Michigan and a B1G title. What would UCF have?
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 21, 2018 11:53:49 GMT -5
Ohio State would have a win over Michigan and a B1G title. What would UCF have? Wins over Houston, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. Oh, those are college teams not the NFL ones.
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Post by purefan on Nov 21, 2018 12:59:20 GMT -5
A win over a top 4 team plus a win over another ranked team in conference championship added into a win on road over ranked penn state plus a nuetral site win over tcu who at the time was ranked would most certainly jump osu over ucf imo. Like i said,which 1 loss team would have a better resume?
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Post by Birdman on Nov 21, 2018 14:02:36 GMT -5
Every team about the bucks still has at least 1 game left.
Buckeyes win out and everyone above (except TTUN) wins out I see a move to the highest spot of 6.
Now given some teams lose that we need buckeyes can most definitely make the top 4.
If Ohio State wins out and UCF is still ranked higher, I’m sorry but I lose all respect and trust in the committee. UCF is good but they’re not as good as last years team nor do I believe they deserve a shot in the college football simply based off their schedule. Their best win is arguably the Game Cocks....
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Post by purefan on Nov 21, 2018 14:22:44 GMT -5
It will basically come down to oklahoma,washington st.,ucf,and osu for the final spot assuming the top 3 win out. Would osu not be as deserving of final spot in that group? Let’s just hope osu win’s sat and then beats northwestern. I will love to see what the comittee would do. No matter what there will be a lot to debate! Go BUCKS!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 14:33:12 GMT -5
It will basically come down to oklahoma,washington st.,ucf,and osu for the final spot assuming the top 3 win out. Would osu not be as deserving of final spot in that group? Let’s just hope osu win’s sat and then beats northwestern. I will love to see what the comittee would do. No matter what there will be a lot to debate! Go BUCKS! If Oklahoma and Ohio State won out that will be an interesting argument. I feel like if Oklahoma beats Texas in the Big 12 title game that would give them the edge since they avenged their one loss. Plus that Purdue debacle looks worse each week
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 21, 2018 14:45:04 GMT -5
i've been watching this Defense since we gave up 30+ to stinking Oregon State we made mediocre teams like Maryland and Penn State and TCU look like world-beaters...Maryland with a Freshman RB and a Backup QB running the show i cannot for the life of me believe our wet toilet-paper D can stop anyone, and i have a hard time believing they will stop a motivated and hungry UM so we will have to outscore them...Haskins and Day better be ready to shoot to kill I'm sorry, but that freshman' QB made quite a few amazing throws. Several of those deep throws, no present living, breathing QB could have placed them any better, and against some good, tight coverage. Like the announcers were commenting, who ever is taking the helm next year is getting a strong nucleus for a pretty damn good football team. As far as the defense, surprised we haven't deviated from the strict adherence to man coverage. These kids need more PT to develop.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 18:50:23 GMT -5
If Oklahoma and Ohio State win out, Buckeyes will get left out, That humiliation by Purdue on national tv, Still looms very large. The Sooners would get the spot, They only lost to #14 Texas by 3. The only way we get a sniff of the playoff, if we beat TTUN 68-0 or so, And that isn't happening.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 21, 2018 21:36:13 GMT -5
If Oklahoma and Ohio State win out, Buckeyes will get left out, That humiliation by Purdue on national tv, Still looms very large. The Sooners would get the spot, They only lost to #14 Texas by 3. The only way we get a sniff of the playoff, if we beat TTUN 68-0 or so, And that isn't happening. Very true.....
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 22, 2018 1:29:35 GMT -5
Tressel was on Carpenter and Rothman today and he was fantastic.
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Post by cbus on Nov 22, 2018 7:33:37 GMT -5
Yea, I know. Just being a little facetious. I assume the Rose Bowl would invite the Buckeyes due to our fan base. Actually the rankings and conference affiliation are used to determine the New Year’s six bowls. The bowls are contracted to take conference schools: Rose (PAC 12-B1G) Sugar (SEC-Big 12) Fiesta (2 at large) Peach (2 at large) Top group of 5 ranked team goes to the Fiesta or Peach If a team from a contractual obligated bowl makes the playoff and a team in that conference is ranked in the top 12 they must be selected. Current replacements: B1G:Ohio State SEC: Georgia Those final rankings matter much more than just the 4 playoff teams. Georgia could fall below LSU. Ohio State could fall below Penn St (not likely). If the Bucks do fall below Penn St they would go to either the Peach or Fiesta. Of course the best thing would be for the Bucks would be to win Saturday My comment was based on the assumption no BIG team will be in the top 12. I forgot that Penn St will probably be in the Top 12. If both the Buckeyes and PSU are in the top 12 (and Michigan goes to the playoffs), I think the Rose takes the Buckeyes.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 22, 2018 22:03:27 GMT -5
Tressel was on Carpenter and Rothman today and he was fantastic. He always is, at some point he should have run for the US Senate. He would have won by a land slide.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 22, 2018 22:10:06 GMT -5
i've been watching this Defense since we gave up 30+ to stinking Oregon State we made mediocre teams like Maryland and Penn State and TCU look like world-beaters...Maryland with a Freshman RB and a Backup QB running the show i cannot for the life of me believe our wet toilet-paper D can stop anyone, and i have a hard time believing they will stop a motivated and hungry UM so we will have to outscore them...Haskins and Day better be ready to shoot to kill I'm sorry, but that freshman' QB made quite a few amazing throws. Several of those deep throws, no present living, breathing QB could have placed them any better, and against some good, tight coverage. Like the announcers were commenting, who ever is taking the helm next year is getting a strong nucleus for a pretty damn good football team. As far as the defense, surprised we haven't deviated from the strict adherence to man coverage. These kids need more PT to develop. Actually there has been a departure from the "strict adherence". The past couple of game, to help the Corner Backs, they lined up as if it's press man coverage, but just before the snap they've been bailing out quickly, getting 5-8 yards deep, allowing short passes to be completed, but helping from so many deep balls being completed.
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Post by tori2 on Nov 23, 2018 13:48:08 GMT -5
The OSU fans I have talked to think Michigan will win, and Michigan fans think OSU wins. Go figure.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 23, 2018 14:59:10 GMT -5
They don't really have burners on offense, so that bodes well for OSU. Everyone seems to think they will score 100 against us, not seeing it being as easy as they hope it will be. Name one good offensive team they have faced. In this day and age, you gotta be able to pass and score to win. We've done it all season. That part has been consistent. I think OSU is healthier than they have been all year, not sure UM can say that. The one aspect where I expect UM to be better than other years is that their QB has been good, not great. Other years their QB cost them the game. I don't expect Patterson to do that this year.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 23, 2018 15:07:13 GMT -5
Tressel was on Carpenter and Rothman today and he was fantastic. He always is, at some point he should have run for the US Senate. He would have won by a land slide. couple things he said: 1) he said for the UM game, because emotions would be running so high, they would often just call one defense for the entire first quarter because they wanted guys to just be able to run around and make plays without thinking too much...not sure if this is something we can do with our current D unit or not but i thought that was interesting 2) he said he didn't think that ND was a very fast team, and that they were faster than UM when they played this year, so he thinks UM will have trouble matching our speed 3) no desire to coach the Browns lol
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 23, 2018 18:25:20 GMT -5
They don't really have burners on offense, so that bodes well for OSU. Everyone seems to think they will score 100 against us, not seeing it being as easy as they hope it will be. Name one good offensive team they have faced. In this day and age, you gotta be able to pass and score to win. We've done it all season. That part has been consistent. I think OSU is healthier than they have been all year, not sure UM can say that. The one aspect where I expect UM to be better than other years is that their QB has been good, not great. Other years their QB cost them the game. I don't expect Patterson to do that this year. I bet U of M's plan is to run the ball on every play possible. Using up the clock, keeping the ball out of Haskins hands.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Nov 23, 2018 20:55:34 GMT -5
They don't really have burners on offense, so that bodes well for OSU. Everyone seems to think they will score 100 against us, not seeing it being as easy as they hope it will be. Name one good offensive team they have faced. In this day and age, you gotta be able to pass and score to win. We've done it all season. That part has been consistent. I think OSU is healthier than they have been all year, not sure UM can say that. The one aspect where I expect UM to be better than other years is that their QB has been good, not great. Other years their QB cost them the game. I don't expect Patterson to do that this year. Actually this is probably the best downfield passing team Michigan has had under Harbaugh. I think you may be mistaking a lack of gaudy number’s for lack of ability. DPJ, Collins and Black have each shown the ability to take the top off a defense. Winovich is playing and so is Bushell-Beatty.
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