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Post by dude on Jan 5, 2019 22:17:20 GMT -5
watching upper play is like watching an open gym. Undisciplined basketball at both ends of the floor. all you need to do is listen to the coach and he tells you what is going to happen. And yet few teams can stay with said open gym style. Today's game has changed and is nowhere near disciplined as it was even 5 years ago. Works well to win N10 championships.
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Post by bballguy on Jan 6, 2019 7:04:06 GMT -5
How about winning a tournament game?
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Post by dude on Jan 6, 2019 11:22:39 GMT -5
How about winning a tournament game? Well, Upper is 103-27=79% so far in six seasons with the current coach and has been 4-5=44% in tournaments.
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Post by bballguy on Jan 6, 2019 13:55:50 GMT -5
Exactly!
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Post by royalballdad on Jan 6, 2019 16:47:13 GMT -5
Couple things... Upper is lacking post play so far this season. Their PG, Guards, & Wings are playing (scoring) well. Vs teams with size they have struggled especially when their shooting is average or below. Against Lex last night, their size hurt Upper. Upper didn’t shoot well and weren’t able to turn Lex over and allowed Lex multiple offense rebound opportunities. Plus the guard for Lex got very hot in 2nd half from 3pt line. Without a post player stepping up - Upper will struggle vs teams with a lot of size. In Uppers defense in the post season. They have played most of their tourney games without starters due to either suspenses or injuries. Tough to go into tournament without key players and win.
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Post by bballguy on Jan 6, 2019 17:38:05 GMT -5
Rebounding is surely a weakness. Their style of defense often puts players out of position to rebound. Especially on the back side. Have noticed several instances where players are leaking out to get an easy basket instead of boxing out shooter.
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Post by dude on Jan 6, 2019 17:41:23 GMT -5
Did these players get injured in the last game of regular season or suspended only for tournament? If not, in the last 3 seasons Upper has gone 63-3 while missing those players and 3-3 in tournament. IN two of those seasons they were 22-0 and in the third they had a 9 game winning streak going into tournament. Not much evidence of missing players.
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Post by royalballdad on Jan 6, 2019 18:22:03 GMT -5
Did these players get injured in the last game of regular season or suspended only for tournament? If not, in the last 3 seasons Upper has gone 63-3 while missing those players and 3-3 in tournament. IN two of those seasons they were 22-0 and in the third they had a 9 game winning streak going into tournament. Not much evidence of missing players. Last year missing 2 starters whom both missed half the season. Year before lost starting point guard 3/4 of the way through season but made it to Dustrict final vs Elida and lost in OT. Those teams Upper had lost to in the tourney over the past 3-4 years.... how would they have faired with the same schedule as Uppers. My guess is just about the same with 18 games vs N10 competition. Even a down Huron last year would have won a lot if not all of their games vs N10 teams. The N10 schedule does a poor job preparing Upper for a D3 District & Regional tournament run.
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Post by bballguy on Jan 6, 2019 18:59:52 GMT -5
Too much is put on who a team does or does not play through out a season in preparing them for the tournament. Good competition helps, but In my opinion it is each coach's job to have their team prepared. This occurs through out the weeks of practice during the season leading up to tournament time. That's where good habits are formed, mistakes are corrected, and teams improve, not by who they play on any given night.
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Post by purefan on Jan 6, 2019 19:06:17 GMT -5
The top 3 to 4 teams in the league since it’s inception have been pretty solid teams and have played good ball. The problem has been the bottom half have not and im being nice. This is why it is key to play a tough non league schedule to prepare you for tournament. CC starting to put things together. Been playing much better since early in year. If keep improving offensivly gonna be a team to reckon with in d4 district
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 19:59:22 GMT -5
So who’s kid is bballguy’s?
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Post by dude on Jan 6, 2019 20:27:44 GMT -5
Did these players get injured in the last game of regular season or suspended only for tournament? If not, in the last 3 seasons Upper has gone 63-3 while missing those players and 3-3 in tournament. IN two of those seasons they were 22-0 and in the third they had a 9 game winning streak going into tournament. Not much evidence of missing players. Last year missing 2 starters whom both missed half the season. Year before lost starting point guard 3/4 of the way through season but made it to Dustrict final vs Elida and lost in OT. Those teams Upper had lost to in the tourney over the past 3-4 years.... how would they have faired with the same schedule as Uppers. My guess is just about the same with 18 games vs N10 competition. Even a down Huron last year would have won a lot if not all of their games vs N10 teams. The N10 schedule does a poor job preparing Upper for a D3 District & Regional tournament run. Last year was it the first half? IN their last half they went 10-1. The year before they were 22-0. With that being known, they had plenty of experience without a player.
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Post by dude on Jan 6, 2019 20:31:07 GMT -5
Too much is put on who a team does or does not play through out a season in preparing them for the tournament. Good competition helps, but In my opinion it is each coach's job to have their team prepared. This occurs through out the weeks of practice during the season leading up to tournament time. That's where good habits are formed, mistakes are corrected, and teams improve, not by who they play on any given night. It's not so much the game as it is situations. Good competition can put you in a situation that you can learn from or be challenged in, regardless if it is end of game or end of half.
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Post by purefan on Jan 6, 2019 22:06:53 GMT -5
So who’s kid is bballguy’s? What makes you feel he has a kid playing for upper big hoss? It seems to me he is just a fan concerned with the lack of discipline at times with his team. I like upper’s style but i can also see why it hasn’t lead to tournament success especially when they were in d2. They got upset last year by huron in d3 or was it an upset? D3 district is very down this year imo and right now i would say it is upper’s to lose. If they don’t make it out again this year especially with the transfer player then may be bballguy’s concerns are legit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 22:45:59 GMT -5
So who’s kid is bballguy’s? What makes you feel he has a kid playing for upper big hoss? It seems to me he is just a fan concerned with the lack of discipline at times with his team. I like upper’s style but i can also see why it hasn’t lead to tournament success especially when they were in d2. They got upset last year by huron in d3 or was it an upset? D3 district is very down this year imo and right now i would say it is upper’s to lose. If they don’t make it out again this year especially with the transfer player then may be bballguy’s concerns are legit. He has 11 posts and all pertain to Upper in a negative connotation
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Post by royalballdad on Jan 7, 2019 7:04:26 GMT -5
Reading the TF paper... Just tired of hearing about Crawford’s non-league schedule. Mansfield Christian & Northmor are not really that a good. Play Willard, Shelby, Ontario etc... “David Sheldon makes sure to schedule as tough of a non-conference schedule for his team each year to prepare them for the postseason”
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Post by purefan on Jan 7, 2019 7:55:26 GMT -5
Reading the TF paper... Just tired of hearing about Crawford’s non-league schedule. Mansfield Christian & Northmor are not really that a good. Play Willard, Shelby, Ontario etc... “David Sheldon makes sure to schedule as tough of a non-conference schedule for his team each year to prepare them for the postseason” Jealousy and hatred are not good traits to have rbd. Its bad for your health. Prior to this year both mc and northmor have been very solid teams last several years. Nothmor is still a solid team this year. Much better than playing bottom half of n10. Sandusky perkins and lexington both on schedule this year also. I would agree with you on 1 thing, i would love to see the eagles play any of the 3 teams you mentioned but you cant’t play everbody with all the league games there are.
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Post by royalballdad on Jan 7, 2019 8:00:09 GMT -5
Reading the TF paper... Just tired of hearing about Crawford’s non-league schedule. Mansfield Christian & Northmor are not really that a good. Play Willard, Shelby, Ontario etc... “David Sheldon makes sure to schedule as tough of a non-conference schedule for his team each year to prepare them for the postseason” Jealousy and hatred are not good traits to have rbd. Its bad for your health. Prior to this year both mc and northmor have been very solid teams last several years. Nothmor is still a solid team this year. Much better than playing bottom half of n10. Sandusky perkins and lexington both on schedule this year also. I would agree with you on 1 thing, i would love to see the eagles play any of the 3 teams you mentioned but you cant’t play everbody with all the league games there are. No jealousy just think when a program has a run of talent that a ad/coach could schedule tougher non league games for tourney run prep. Wynford did the same thing back in Erhrsman’s era not scheduling tough enough non league games and it hurt the team imo in the tourney.
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Post by dude on Jan 7, 2019 8:01:47 GMT -5
Reading the TF paper... Just tired of hearing about Crawford’s non-league schedule. Mansfield Christian & Northmor are not really that a good. Play Willard, Shelby, Ontario etc... “David Sheldon makes sure to schedule as tough of a non-conference schedule for his team each year to prepare them for the postseason” Sheldon play Ontario? Are you mad?
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Post by royalballdad on Jan 7, 2019 8:12:38 GMT -5
St. Pete’s did a great job with their schedule during the past four years with the talent that they had. Columbus Catholic schools, some local D1/2 schools with Ashland & Mansfield Sr. Plus Canton Central Catholic which is a solid program.
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Post by purefan on Jan 7, 2019 8:28:11 GMT -5
^^^^ Agree
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Post by fbfan on Jan 7, 2019 8:45:29 GMT -5
Post season records in the 4 years of the N10:
CC 7-4 BC 5-4 MO 5-4 CA 4-4 RI 3-4 UP 3-4 WY 3-4 BU 1-4 SE 0-4
The records usually reflect the facts more than what fans/dads/reporters think.
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Post by Hagen on Jan 7, 2019 9:50:16 GMT -5
T. Ehresman - (10 seasons) 167-72 overall (.699). 100-38 league (.725). 27-10 tournament (.730). Regional appearances (5): '06, '07, '08, '10, '11. No jealousy just think when a program has a run of talent that a ad/coach could schedule tougher non league games for tourney run prep. Wynford did the same thing back in Erhrsman’s era not scheduling tough enough non league games and it hurt the team imo in the tourney. Rob Sheldon - (24 seasons) 348-132 overall (.725). 193-66 league (.745). 53-24 tournament (.688). Regional appearances (6): '87, '88, '89, '93, '01, '03.
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Post by dude on Jan 7, 2019 11:35:12 GMT -5
If you win can win twice as many games in the tournament than you lose, you are doing something right.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 7, 2019 12:20:20 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2019 23:59:15 GMT -5
Jealousy and hatred are not good traits to have rbd. Its bad for your health. Prior to this year both mc and northmor have been very solid teams last several years. Nothmor is still a solid team this year. Much better than playing bottom half of n10. Sandusky perkins and lexington both on schedule this year also. I would agree with you on 1 thing, i would love to see the eagles play any of the 3 teams you mentioned but you cant’t play everbody with all the league games there are. No jealousy just think when a program has a run of talent that a ad/coach could schedule tougher non league games for tourney run prep. Wynford did the same thing back in Erhrsman’s era not scheduling tough enough non league games and it hurt the team imo in the tourney. NO, the non-conference schedule should ALWAYS be tough. So that when a good team comes along the tough schedule is in place. It's not as difficult as football, but even basketball schedules are difficult to flip overnight.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 8, 2019 0:03:21 GMT -5
crawfordcountybasketball.com is MUCH MORE helpful.
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Post by dude on Jan 8, 2019 11:09:29 GMT -5
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 10, 2019 22:02:02 GMT -5
Upper Sandusky 15-10-15-18 - 58 Mohawk 11-17-18-13 - 59
Upper Sandusky (9-3, 6-1): 23-59 FG, 2-4 FT, 10-35 3pt (McCreary 5, Montgomery 3, Clifford, Malone), 33 rebounds (Vent 8), 13 turnovers. Scoring: Cameron McCreary 7 0-0 19, Trevor Clifford 4 1-2 10, Mason Vent 4 1-2 9, Evan Young 3 0-0 6, Jason Holly 0 0-0 0, Brett Montgomery 3 0-0 9, Levi Malone 2 0-0 5, Cole Sowers 0 0-0 0.
Mohawk (11-0, 7-0): 24-56 FG, 6-9 FT, 5-20 3pt (Hayman 2, Hammer 2, Tusing), 38 rebounds (Hammer 11), 10 turnovers. Scoring: Keith Jenkins 0 2-2 2, Kaiden Hammer 5 0-1 12, Austin Tusing 1 0-0 3, Zach Hayman 10 2-3 24, Chris Klopp 3 1-1 7, Hunter Gottfried 1 1-2 3, Brock Brause 4 0-0 8.
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Post by bballguy on Jan 10, 2019 22:14:21 GMT -5
Saw something I've never seen before. After 30 seconds of being in locker room at halftime, Upper's coach walks out on team and stands in front of their bench for remaining halftime while team remained. From my vantage point there seems to be very little positive energy surrounding the Rams.
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