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Post by fbfan on Dec 11, 2018 23:06:35 GMT -5
You are correct. It started up against the wall area at cc end. It then quickly spread, just like adding kool-aid to water. đ You were there usramfan so unless you were one of the ones storming the floor or left immediatly you know how it was. I also was there, and I agree with usramfan. The celebration flowed towards the players at the far end of the court on the CC bench side of the floor, but on the opposite side of the bucket/FT lane (see previous video). However, US fans weren't exactly going Kool-Aid man knocking over the CC bench area (which the CC fans were behind) & tossing chairs into the air. I could argue that it was short-sighted and borderline dangerous for the CC coaches to rush their players to the locker room immediately after the game, as it was directly across the floor and on the other side of where the players/fans were celebrating. It may have been safer to have the CC players go back to their bench and wait it out for a moment, rather than have them "go through the eye of the storm." In no more than a minute after the shot, the US players/fans were in a circle back on their side of the court singing their alma mater, nowhere near the CC bench area.I don't think there is any way around it; Saturday was a bad look for the Vice President of the Ohio High School Basketball Coaches Association as he didn't attempt to shake the opposing coach's hand after the game, and his coaching staff may have put his players into harm's way. This is from the first description that usramfan gave of the crowd condition on page 2: "The ONLY pass I MAY give him is that Upper students swarmed the floor and Lord only knows how long it would have taken to get sorted out."
Seems like with every post the crowd gets thinner and more well behaved. Guess the narrative has to change to fit the idea being portrayed. Just like the fake news. If the Lord was the only one who knew, then Sheldon couldn't have, and made the right call in a tense situation. Always error on the side of caution. |
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Post by fbfan on Dec 11, 2018 23:16:09 GMT -5
Recruiting, HomeGrown, Transfers and Move-Ins are all very different terms. IMO... Recruiting by a school is when a member of the school staff actively engaged in trying to get a player to come play for their team. HomeGrown is when that teams players have been at that school since early elementary school. Transfers is when a player from another school changes schools without moving into the school district during their MS, JH or HS years. Move-Ins are players who move into the school district during their MS, JH or HS years. All my current & past arguments are based on my definitions above. And I donât have a problem with any player changing schools. As it happens all the time. Not as much in rural areas as it does in the cities & suburbs. Crawford has benefitted from all of the above. I am not saying that it is wrong that they have benefitted. Crawford has had great success because of all the recruiting, transfers, move-ins & HomeGrown players. Wynford, Upper, Mohawk & Carey in basketball have played over the last many years with virtually all HomeGrown players. Upper has one player to move-in and the Crawford faithful conveniently forget when and how some of their best basketball players arrived at their school. NONE of CC's players EVER arrived from a rival's starting varsity lineup. Forgetting will be anything but convenient. Remember your own words: "Recruiting to me is when the players show up after Junior High or between 8th & 9th grade.
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Post by dude on Dec 11, 2018 23:27:50 GMT -5
A split second decision was made and your coach looks like classless because of it. Thatâs your opinion, worth as much as all the other old trolls and cc bashers on here. Needless to say i have a totally different opinion because i was THERE and i personally would of done exact same thing under the circumstances, and before you accuse me of being classless look in the mirror dude. I give no sh!ts about CC if they win or lose. Not shaking hands after a game does not look good. When it's a guy who is known as a sore loser, it becomes a classless action. BTW, my mirror looks really good. |
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 12, 2018 3:37:10 GMT -5
NONE of CC's players EVER arrived from a rival's starting varsity lineup. Forgetting will be anything but convenient. Remember your own words:
"Recruiting to me is when the players show up after Junior High or between 8th & 9th grade.
And it is easily deducted that they showed up for basketball."
As discussed at length on another thread. The McCreary kid did not âshow up for basketballâ in Upper. According to all the information available the kidâs move to Upper was not about or solely for basketball. Basketball was a bi-product and the move was out of necessity for the family. By all accounts the kid did not want to move or change schools.
That being said. Upper, Wynford, Carey & Mohawk are basketball programs made up of virtually all Home-Grown players. Crawford as stated previously is a program that has significantly benefitted and currently benefits from move-ins and transfers.
If Upper would have the Stone kid from Carey move-in and Winslowâs boys transfer in then the Upper proram would become similar to Crawfordâs.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 12, 2018 3:56:54 GMT -5
Thatâs your opinion, worth as much as all the other old trolls and cc bashers on here. Needless to say i have a totally different opinion because i was THERE and i personally would of done exact same thing under the circumstances, and before you accuse me of being classless look in the mirror dude. I give no sh!ts about CC if they win or lose. Not shaking hands after a game does not look good. When it's a guy who is known as a sore loser, it becomes a classless action. BTW, my mirror looks really good. Agree with Dude here. The more information that comes out about the seconds & minutes after the winning shot is made... the more Sheldon not shaking hands and having the players immediately run to the locker room looks bad. The players were made to run directly through Uppers students / fans rushing the floor. When staying at their bench area would have been much safer. And Sheldon was just as safe staying by his bench. Ccâs fans and students were all right behind their bench as well. The Upper celebration was 30+ feet away from their bench. IMO.. Sheldon decided that he wanted no part of shaking hands with Upper coaches or players. Word is out as well. No handshake btw coaches later just a direct walk to Crawfordâs bus. |
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 12, 2018 4:19:52 GMT -5
Thursday, December 13
Bucyrus at Wynford 6:00 PM
Colonel Crawford at Carey 6:00 PM
Mohawk at Buckeye Central 6:00 PM
Ridgedale at Seneca East 6:00 PM
Saturday, December 15
Bucyrus at Northmor 6:00 PM
Carey at Upper Sandusky 5:00 PM
Mohawk at Colonel Crawford 5:00 PM
Ridgedale at Wynford 5:00 PM
Seneca East at Buckeye Central 5:00
Will Wynford get their first Win or Wins?
Can Crawford bounce back and beat Carey on the road Thurs and then protect their home court Sat v Mohawk?
Will Upper have a let down v Carey at home Sat?
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Post by bigox on Dec 12, 2018 5:21:16 GMT -5
Moving on like a uhaul full of bad fish and cheese...
Carey- Crawford game comes down to if Careys guard play. If they can perform and handle C.C's defense.
Upper- Carey is another rivalry game almost as much as the last game for Upper. So I think both teams will be up for it. And the building will be full again
Wynford- Bucyrus game is a toss up. But with Craul playing better and getting healthier royals win by 6-8 points.
Mohawk-C.C. will be a fun game to watch. I think Mohawk is the dark horse in the conference and will give both Upper and C.C fits this year and probably each at least one loss int their home and away meetings
Other conference games are vitally toss ups. Could see either team winning.
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Post by purefan on Dec 12, 2018 7:51:03 GMT -5
NONE of CC's players EVER arrived from a rival's starting varsity lineup. Forgetting will be anything but convenient. Remember your own words: "Recruiting to me is when the players show up after Junior High or between 8th & 9th grade. And it is easily deducted that they showed up for basketball." As discussed at length on another thread. The McCreary kid did not âshow up for basketballâ in Upper. According to all the information available the kidâs move to Upper was not about or solely for basketball. Basketball was a bi-product and the move was out of necessity for the family. By all accounts the kid did not want to move or change schools. That being said. Upper, Wynford, Carey & Mohawk are basketball programs made up of virtually all Home-Grown players. Crawford as stated previously is a program that has significantly benefitted and currently benefits from move-ins and transfers. If Upper would have the Stone kid from Carey move-in and Winslowâs boys transfer in then the Upper proram would become similar to Crawfordâs. And as discussed in another thread if you believe the kid didnât move to upper for bb reasons then i have some prime real estate in florida i would love to sell you for next to nothing. No need to rehash any of that but donât have your blinders on. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 7:56:57 GMT -5
NONE of CC's players EVER arrived from a rival's starting varsity lineup. Forgetting will be anything but convenient. Remember your own words: "Recruiting to me is when the players show up after Junior High or between 8th & 9th grade. And it is easily deducted that they showed up for basketball." As discussed at length on another thread. The McCreary kid did not âshow up for basketballâ in Upper. According to all the information available the kidâs move to Upper was not about or solely for basketball. Basketball was a bi-product and the move was out of necessity for the family. By all accounts the kid did not want to move or change schools. That being said. Upper, Wynford, Carey & Mohawk are basketball programs made up of virtually all Home-Grown players. Crawford as stated previously is a program that has significantly benefitted and currently benefits from move-ins and transfers. If Upper would have the Stone kid from Carey move-in and Winslowâs boys transfer in then the Upper proram would become similar to Crawfordâs. And as discussed in another thread if you believe the kid didnât move to upper for bb reasons then i have some prime real estate in florida i would love to sell you for next to nothing. No need to rehash any of that but donât have your blinders on. Iâll buy that real estate you are offering |
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Post by purefan on Dec 12, 2018 8:00:48 GMT -5
And as discussed in another thread if you believe the kid didnât move to upper for bb reasons then i have some prime real estate in florida i would love to sell you for next to nothing. No need to rehash any of that but donât have your blinders on. Iâll buy that real estate you are offering Just send cash, the deed will be in the mail. đ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 8:02:20 GMT -5
And as discussed in another thread if you believe the kid didnât move to upper for bb reasons then i have some prime real estate in florida i would love to sell you for next to nothing. No need to rehash any of that but donât have your blinders on. Iâll buy that real estate you are offering You just made a contract. đŻ |
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Post by purefan on Dec 12, 2018 8:05:50 GMT -5
The first week of n10 games gave us some great ballgames that all came down to the wire. Should be a fun year in the league with some very close competitive games.
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Post by fbfan on Dec 12, 2018 8:34:15 GMT -5
NONE of CC's players EVER arrived from a rival's starting varsity lineup. Forgetting will be anything but convenient. Remember your own words: "Recruiting to me is when the players show up after Junior High or between 8th & 9th grade. And it is easily deducted that they showed up for basketball." As discussed at length on another thread. The McCreary kid did not âshow up for basketballâ in Upper. According to all the information available the kidâs move to Upper was not about or solely for basketball. Basketball was a bi-product and the move was out of necessity for the family. By all accounts the kid did not want to move or change schools. That being said. Upper, Wynford, Carey & Mohawk are basketball programs made up of virtually all Home-Grown players. Crawford as stated previously is a program that has significantly benefitted and currently benefits from move-ins and transfers. If Upper would have the Stone kid from Carey move-in and Winslowâs boys transfer in then the Upper proram would become similar to Crawfordâs. Don't know where you got your stats, but here's one for you. According to OHSAA the 2018 CB additive for Wynford is 14 while CC's is 10. Not a big number for either compared to some of the schools in Ohio, but once again your narrative is crafted to fit your opinion but not the facts. |
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 12, 2018 9:15:43 GMT -5
NONE of CC's players EVER arrived from a rival's starting varsity lineup. Forgetting will be anything but convenient. Remember your own words: "Recruiting to me is when the players show up after Junior High or between 8th & 9th grade. And it is easily deducted that they showed up for basketball." As discussed at length on another thread. The McCreary kid did not âshow up for basketballâ in Upper. According to all the information available the kidâs move to Upper was not about or solely for basketball. Basketball was a bi-product and the move was out of necessity for the family. By all accounts the kid did not want to move or change schools. That being said. Upper, Wynford, Carey & Mohawk are basketball programs made up of virtually all Home-Grown players. Crawford as stated previously is a program that has significantly benefitted and currently benefits from move-ins and transfers. If Upper would have the Stone kid from Carey move-in and Winslowâs boys transfer in then the Upper proram would become similar to Crawfordâs. The CB Additive in basketball for every school is NOT directly equal to the talent level or success of the team. We (Wynford) may have a few players who are affecting their CB but these players certainly are not affecting our success. Also, I think this additive is only for grades 9-12. The CB does not take into account kids who move-in to the district k thru 8. No matter how anyone wants to spin this debate... Crawford's basketball program has definitely benefitted over the past 10 years from talented basketball move-ins and transfers. More so than any other N10 school. |
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Post by Hagen on Dec 12, 2018 9:25:58 GMT -5
Don't know where you got your stats, but here's one for you. According to OHSAA the 2018 CB additive for Wynford is 14 while CC's is 10. Not a big number for either compared to some of the schools in Ohio, but once again your narrative is crafted to fit your opinion but not the facts.
Wynford - 14 Colonel Crawford - 10 Mohawk - 9 Buckeye Central - 6 Carey - 4 Seneca East - 4 Ridgedale - 3 Bucyrus - 1 Upper Sandusky - 0 According to OHSAA Boys Basketball - 2018-19Notable area public boys teams CB numbers:Liberty-Benton - 42 (private school numbers) Hopewell-Loudon - 29 River Valley - 24 Marion Pleasant - 21 Monroeville - 19 Lakota - 19 Clear Fork - 18 Ontario - 14 Van Buren - 13 Elgin - 12 Norwalk - 12 Mansfield Senior - 10 |
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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2018 9:47:24 GMT -5
Don't know where you got your stats, but here's one for you. According to OHSAA the 2018 CB additive for Wynford is 14 while CC's is 10. Not a big number for either compared to some of the schools in Ohio, but once again your narrative is crafted to fit your opinion but not the facts. This would indicate that both schools had 6 kids on their rosters that did not live inside the district boundaries. |
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Post by Hagen on Dec 12, 2018 9:50:28 GMT -5
If Upper would have the Stone kid from Carey move-in ... Everyone keeps tossing around Stone going to US, but I pose this: If Stone had moved to Mohawk for this season (another neighboring school), would Mohawk have been the N10 favorite? |
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Post by Hagen on Dec 12, 2018 9:55:04 GMT -5
Don't know where you got your stats, but here's one for you. According to OHSAA the 2018 CB additive for Wynford is 14 while CC's is 10... This would indicate that both schools had 6 [sic] kids on their rosters that did not live inside the district boundaries. Not necessarily. Each player is assigned a 0, 1, 2. Wynford could have anywhere between 14 one-point players, to seven two-point players. CC could have anywhere between 10 one-point players, or 5 two-point players. |
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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2018 9:59:40 GMT -5
This would indicate that both schools had 6 [sic] kids on their rosters that did not live inside the district boundaries. Not necessarily. Each player is assigned a 0, 1, 2. Wynford could have anywhere between 14 one-point players, to seven two-point players. CC could have anywhere between 10 one-point players, or 5 two-point players. Actually is does indicates 6 kids because I looked up the information that was referenced. |
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Post by Hagen on Dec 12, 2018 10:02:33 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Each player is assigned a 0, 1, 2. Wynford could have anywhere between 14 one-point players, to seven two-point players. CC could have anywhere between 10 one-point players, or 5 two-point players. Actually is does indicates 6 kids because I looked up the information that was referenced. Which school has 6 players, CC? Where is the information? |
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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2018 10:14:44 GMT -5
Actually is does indicates 6 kids because I looked up the information that was referenced. Which school has 6 players, CC? Where is the information? Both had 6 players last season. The information comes from OHSAA. |
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 12, 2018 10:24:03 GMT -5
If Upper would have the Stone kid from Carey move-in ... Everyone keeps tossing around Stone going to US, but I pose this: If Stone had moved to Mohawk for this season (another neighboring school), would Mohawk have been the N10 favorite? Absolutely. They could be the favorite with who they have back this season. We will see Saturday. |
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Post by Hagen on Dec 12, 2018 10:26:25 GMT -5
Which school has 6 players, CC? Where is the information?Both had 6 players last season. The information comes from OHSAA.Is it top secret, or available to the public? Can you share the link of where this information can be viewed? |
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Post by bigox on Dec 12, 2018 10:27:48 GMT -5
If Upper would have the Stone kid from Carey move-in ... Everyone keeps tossing around Stone going to US, but I pose this: If Stone had moved to Mohawk for this season (another neighboring school), would Mohawk have been the N10 favorite? I feel what your putting down! Absolutely that would have given the warriors a big edge. Those seniors and an active mobile big man. They are a good team alone add that much more size and it would have been fun to see |
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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2018 10:31:38 GMT -5
Both had 6 players last season. The information comes from OHSAA.Is it top secret, or available to the public? Can you share the link of where this information can be viewed? I have no idea if it's top secret or available anywhere. Back when the numbers came out I got them from a Columbus news. |
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Post by fbfan on Dec 12, 2018 10:44:16 GMT -5
Don't know where you got your stats, but here's one for you. According to OHSAA the 2018 CB additive for Wynford is 14 while CC's is 10. Not a big number for either compared to some of the schools in Ohio, but once again your narrative is crafted to fit your opinion but not the facts. The CB Additive in basketball for every school is NOT directly equal to the talent level or success of the team. We (Wynford) may have a few players who are affecting their CB but these players certainly are not affecting our success. Also, I think this additive is only for grades 9-12. The CB does not take into account kids who move-in to the district k thru 8. No matter how anyone wants to spin this debate... Crawford's basketball program has definitely benefitted over the past 10 years from talented basketball move-ins and transfers. More so than any other N10 school. You were the one making the comparison of homegrown vs. move in, transfer, etc. "...Wynford, Carey & Mohawk are basketball programs made up of virtually all Home-Grown players. Crawford as stated previously is a program that has significantly benefitted and currently benefits from move-ins and transfers." is what you said. Where's your stats? When stats were provided, you were proved wrong. Once again, you then changed your narrative. Now move-ins and transfers don't count if they're no good. Better call OHSAA and tell them to change their formula. Your credibility drops with every change in your narrative. |
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Post by purefan on Dec 12, 2018 10:44:56 GMT -5
Don't know where you got your stats, but here's one for you. According to OHSAA the 2018 CB additive for Wynford is 14 while CC's is 10. Not a big number for either compared to some of the schools in Ohio, but once again your narrative is crafted to fit your opinion but not the facts. The CB Additive in basketball for every school is NOT directly equal to the talent level or success of the team. We (Wynford) may have a few players who are affecting their CB but these players certainly are not affecting our success. Also, I think this additive is only for grades 9-12. The CB does not take into account kids who move-in to the district k thru 8. No matter how anyone wants to spin this debate... Crawford's basketball program has definitely benefitted over the past 10 years from talented basketball move-ins and transfers. More so than any other N10 school. So to sum up...cc gets thrown under the bus because our open enrollees that enrolled in jr high or prior end up being good basketball players in high school by some magical wave of the wand and wynfordâs do not. Back when the enrollees chose cc it had much more to do with cc being a great school with a good reputation and great teachers as well as many more positives to attract the parents of these students to attend cc. Then with good coaching in jr high level as well as good coaching at the high school level these students ended up being big contributing factors to cc success as well as the vast majority of cc players that were true born and raised in cc district. Thanks royallballdad for clearing this up for us. These same enrollees could of went elsewhere and not seen near the success as they did at a great school like cc. |
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Post by Hagen on Dec 12, 2018 10:46:59 GMT -5
... That is pretty much what I had been told. I had been told that last season's Jv and varsity roster had 6 kids of the 18 total that did not live in the district. I have no idea if it's top secret or available anywhere. Back when the numbers came out I got them from a Columbus news. Must have an inside source telling you from Columbus. |
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Post by fbfan on Dec 12, 2018 10:47:08 GMT -5
Is it top secret, or available to the public? Can you share the link of where this information can be viewed? I have no idea if it's top secret or available anywhere. Back when the numbers came out I got them from a Columbus news. Now you're sounding like another poster I know.  |
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Post by purefan on Dec 12, 2018 10:48:21 GMT -5
Everyone keeps tossing around Stone going to US, but I pose this: If Stone had moved to Mohawk for this season (another neighboring school), would Mohawk have been the N10 favorite? I feel what your putting down! Absolutely that would have given the warriors a big edge. Those seniors and an active mobile big man. They are a good team alone add that much more size and it would have been fun to see I think mohawk is the real deal. We will find out soon enough. They have a great class of athletes there right now. |
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