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Post by Birdman on Nov 28, 2018 20:46:20 GMT -5
No no no! Never! NC IS #1 babay I just want to see everyone win!
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2018 21:39:26 GMT -5
Cool. Undefeated. So u r arguing for UCF over OSU and OKL? It is 2018 not 1993. You tell ND ty but no ty and make them join a conference. It is that simple. I'm not arguing for ND, one way or the other. You call up the ND President and get the administrative board together with the athletic director and tell them to come out of the dark ages of the 90's and tell them they must join a conference. Better yet, call up NCAA President Mark Emmert and on your proposed mandate that all schools must be affiliated with a conference. Good luck with that. I've been harping the Big Ten is a perfect fit for ND. They would be in the Western Division, balances out the conference and an easy get for them. the Big 12 figured it out pretty quick when they got hosed by the committee a few times, eh? i didn't know you were a ND apologist, good for you, but what about UCF? ND is in the ACC in basketball, what's the problem with the football team? Again, this is 2018. Not 1987.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 21:49:19 GMT -5
I don’t have a problem with ND not having to play this weekend. Alabama last year and Ohio St the year before didn’t and made the Invitational
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Post by purefan on Nov 28, 2018 22:32:43 GMT -5
In my perfect little world i see pitt pulling upset of year and defeating clemson. Then oklahoma gives up 82 in a 2nd loss to texas. Bama wins as does osu. Top 4 then is bama,the irish,osu,and ucf. Bama beats ucf by less than a touchdown and osu kicks the irish out of nd. Osu then is declared a 30 point underdog against the almighty tide and annual automatic season long #1 because they play in the media’s annointed best conference( because we say say it to be true it must be true). Then low and behold the (weak) big ten champion somehow pulls the most epic upset in all of history! This would bring mark may back into spot light and we could all listen to how osu must of cheated or some such thing because there is no way this could of happened! Ok back to reality... this won’t happen, however buckeyes should at least have the oppurtunity,as should a total of 7 other teams. Imo
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 29, 2018 7:08:42 GMT -5
In my perfect little world i see pitt pulling upset of year and defeating clemson. Then oklahoma gives up 82 in a 2nd loss to texas. Bama wins as does osu. Top 4 then is bama,the irish,osu,and ucf. Bama beats ucf by less than a touchdown and osu kicks the irish out of nd. Osu then is declared a 30 point underdog against the almighty tide and annual automatic season long #1 because they play in the media’s annointed best conference( because we say say it to be true it must be true). Then low and behold the (weak) big ten champion somehow pulls the most epic upset in all of history! This would bring mark may back into spot light and we could all listen to how osu must of cheated or some such thing because there is no way this could of happened! Ok back to reality... this won’t happen, however buckeyes should at least have the oppurtunity,as should a total of 7 other teams. Imo Just when you think all perceptions have been set in cement, the most unlikely happens. That's why we love football......College Football!
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Post by fbfan on Nov 29, 2018 7:50:07 GMT -5
I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate here. If the Bucks end up in the Rose are people going to be ok with players that are entering the draft to sit it out? After seeing McKenzie Milton’s injury and Jaylon Smith’s injury a couple years ago in the Fiesta Bowl I’m cool with it. The bowl games have basically become glorified scrimmages anyways for the elite programs I think it's the flip side of universities and others making millions of $$$ and the players only getting a "free" education. I don't really think either situation is fair, or like it, but it is the system we have. How long will it be before players that think they are NFL ready start quitting in the middle of a season? That's when the system will be changed.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 29, 2018 8:09:10 GMT -5
I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate here. If the Bucks end up in the Rose are people going to be ok with players that are entering the draft to sit it out? After seeing McKenzie Milton’s injury and Jaylon Smith’s injury a couple years ago in the Fiesta Bowl I’m cool with it. The bowl games have basically become glorified scrimmages anyways for the elite programs I think it's the flip side of universities and others making millions of $$$ and the players only getting a "free" education. I don't really think either situation is fair, or like it, but it is the system we have. How long will it be before players that think they are NFL ready start quitting in the middle of a season? That's when the system will be changed. I certainly don't look at the bowl season as 'glorified scrimmages'. I pity anyone that considers themselves a college football fan that has that mindset. I have little respect for the self indulging player that sits their worthless arse, putting their worthless butt before their team mates, who have worked so hard and sacrificed just as much to get to this point. What has this game come to? We certainly didn't see this not that long ago.
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Post by purefan on Nov 29, 2018 8:11:40 GMT -5
I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate here. If the Bucks end up in the Rose are people going to be ok with players that are entering the draft to sit it out? After seeing McKenzie Milton’s injury and Jaylon Smith’s injury a couple years ago in the Fiesta Bowl I’m cool with it. The bowl games have basically become glorified scrimmages anyways for the elite programs I think it's the flip side of universities and others making millions of $$$ and the players only getting a "free" education. I don't really think either situation is fair, or like it, but it is the system we have. How long will it be before players that think they are NFL ready start quitting in the middle of a season? That's when the system will be changed. Hasn’t this already happened with bosa this year in a way?
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Post by dude on Nov 29, 2018 8:35:44 GMT -5
Is he healthy enough to play?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 8:42:17 GMT -5
I think it's the flip side of universities and others making millions of $$$ and the players only getting a "free" education. I don't really think either situation is fair, or like it, but it is the system we have. How long will it be before players that think they are NFL ready start quitting in the middle of a season? That's when the system will be changed. I certainly don't look at the bowl season as 'glorified scrimmages'. I pity anyone that considers themselves a college football fan that has that mindset. I have little respect for the self indulging player that sits their worthless arse, putting their worthless butt before their team mates, who have worked so hard and sacrificed just as much to get to this point. What has this game come to? We certainly didn't see this not that long ago. We also didn’t have the CFI (College Football Invite). There’s no way you can say that hasn’t diminished the importance of other bowl games. The player has to put themselves first. The universities sure as heck aren’t. Would I like to see everyone play? Of course. Do I understand skipping bowl games? Yes. You are always one play away from your career being over. Btw, no pitty needed. I can find a lot of things to do/watch on New Year’s. Try checking out the Winter Classic. Pretty entertaining
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Post by purefan on Nov 29, 2018 9:07:48 GMT -5
Is he healthy enough to play? Does’nt matter if he is or is’nt He left team early in season to get healthy and prepare for nfl. His leadership and presence on sidelines would of been huge. I feel osu’s defensive struggles can be related to that more than we all realize. I understand both sides but me personally if i was in those shoe’s would of supported my teamates till season’s end.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 9:13:11 GMT -5
Is he healthy enough to play? Does’nt matter if he is or is’nt He left team early in season to get healthy and prepare for nfl. His leadership and presence on sidelines would of been huge. I feel osu’s defensive struggles can be related to that more than we all realize. I understand both sides but me personally if i was in those shoe’s would of supported my teamates till season’s end. Pretty easy to say that sitting on your coach. If you have the surgery it’s at least a 3 month recovery. I didn’t like that he dropped out of school though. On the flip side his family isn’t hurting for money either
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Post by dude on Nov 29, 2018 9:30:06 GMT -5
Is he healthy enough to play? Does’nt matter if he is or is’nt He left team early in season to get healthy and prepare for nfl. His leadership and presence on sidelines would of been huge. I feel osu’s defensive struggles can be related to that more than we all realize. I understand both sides but me personally if i was in those shoe’s would of supported my teamates till season’s end. It does matter. If he would have stayed and never been healthy he would have continued to be a topic weekly and on game days would have been in the camera regularly. By leaving the team he reduced some of the drama of not being able to play. The drama of him leaving lasted about 3-4 days and then the team AND MEDIA moved on. One report I read had is earliest possible return to practice would have been this week. Imagine all the sideline drama at each game and each week of preparation. I would have loved to have Bosa but by him leaving he removed himself from the story-line of excuses. Do not for a second assume Bosa has not been supporting his teammates just because you do not know about it.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 29, 2018 11:29:07 GMT -5
I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate here. If the Bucks end up in the Rose are people going to be ok with players that are entering the draft to sit it out? After seeing McKenzie Milton’s injury and Jaylon Smith’s injury a couple years ago in the Fiesta Bowl I’m cool with it. The bowl games have basically become glorified scrimmages anyways for the elite programs I think it's the flip side of universities and others making millions of $$$ and the players only getting a "free" education. I don't really think either situation is fair, or like it, but it is the system we have. How long will it be before players that think they are NFL ready start quitting in the middle of a season? That's when the system will be changed. Nick Bosa already did. He sat almost the entire season for a groin. lol, a groin. So fake. Remember when Joey Bosa saw Jaylon Smith get hurt then ran out on the field and lowered his head into the ND QB so that he'd get tossed. At the time we were wondering why Joey Bosa made such a boneheaded decision, it didn't make sense. That's because we weren't thinking like a possible top 5 pick. Joey knew an easy way to get out of the game without lowering his NFL stock. Faking a knee injury will lower your stock, getingt tossed from the game doesn't
I expect 5 Ohio St players to sit if OSU goes to the Rose Bowl, that will put us down 6 starters since I count Bosa as sitting. What a fake injury, a groin. I've heard of 0 other players in my life that missed a season over a groin. He knew a knee injury might drop his stock in NFL eyes, but a groin in the eyes of the NFL is a sit for a game or 2 to let it heal injury, no biggie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 13:01:21 GMT -5
I think it's the flip side of universities and others making millions of $$$ and the players only getting a "free" education. I don't really think either situation is fair, or like it, but it is the system we have. How long will it be before players that think they are NFL ready start quitting in the middle of a season? That's when the system will be changed. Nick Bosa already did. He sat almost the entire season for a groin. lol, a groin. So fake. Remember when Joey Bosa saw Jaylon Smith get hurt then ran out on the field and lowered his head into the ND QB so that he'd get tossed. At the time we were wondering why Joey Bosa made such a boneheaded decision, it didn't make sense. That's because we weren't thinking like a possible top 5 pick. Joey knew an easy way to get out of the game without lowering his NFL stock. Faking a knee injury will lower your stock, getingt tossed from the game doesn't
I expect 5 Ohio St players to sit if OSU goes to the Rose Bowl, that will put us down 6 starters since I count Bosa as sitting. What a fake injury, a groin. I've heard of 0 other players in my life that missed a season over a groin. He knew a knee injury might drop his stock in NFL eyes, but a groin in the eyes of the NFL is a sit for a game or 2 to let it heal injury, no biggie.
He had surgery you asshat. And it wasn’t a groin, it was a core injury. At least get it right it if you going to rip on someone
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Post by dude on Nov 29, 2018 13:05:28 GMT -5
Check the NFL injury list and you can find each week 6-10 players out for groin injuries and those are just a pull or a strain. This was a partially torn groin muscle. Not a 2-3 week heal to get over this.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 29, 2018 13:10:51 GMT -5
LOL core injury. ROFLMAO core injury. Ahh, that's hilarious.
Correct dude, players miss 1 to 2 games for a groin, not a season. Nick Bosa is the ONLY player I've ever heard of that missed an entire season. Only one.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 29, 2018 13:18:05 GMT -5
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Post by maplecityjake on Nov 29, 2018 14:53:07 GMT -5
You can't use NHL as an example; those guys will play with injuries like testicular elephantitis
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 29, 2018 15:16:18 GMT -5
I tore my groin when i worked at Otterbein College and it was gd awful. I dunno how bad mine was compared to Nick but i do know that for like 5 weeks everytime i took a step it was like a nest of fire ants were living behind my junk. It was hell.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2018 16:25:21 GMT -5
Is he healthy enough to play? It doesn't matter he dropped out of school
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2018 16:45:30 GMT -5
I think it's the flip side of universities and others making millions of $$$ and the players only getting a "free" education. I don't really think either situation is fair, or like it, but it is the system we have. How long will it be before players that think they are NFL ready start quitting in the middle of a season? That's when the system will be changed. Nick Bosa already did. He sat almost the entire season for a groin. lol, a groin. So fake. Remember when Joey Bosa saw Jaylon Smith get hurt then ran out on the field and lowered his head into the ND QB so that he'd get tossed. At the time we were wondering why Joey Bosa made such a boneheaded decision, it didn't make sense. That's because we weren't thinking like a possible top 5 pick. Joey knew an easy way to get out of the game without lowering his NFL stock. Faking a knee injury will lower your stock, getingt tossed from the game doesn't
I expect 5 Ohio St players to sit if OSU goes to the Rose Bowl, that will put us down 6 starters since I count Bosa as sitting. What a fake injury, a groin. I've heard of 0 other players in my life that missed a season over a groin. He knew a knee injury might drop his stock in NFL eyes, but a groin in the eyes of the NFL is a sit for a game or 2 to let it heal injury, no biggie.
After seeing what the family Bosa and the #4 player in the draft last year did. What will Haskins, Jones, Prince and Campbell do this year if Ohio Sate doesn't make The Playoffs? A disease like this can be contagious.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2018 16:56:28 GMT -5
I doesn't matter if it was fake or not. He was a captain and quit on his teammates. He dropped out of school. He could have gotten just as good if not better care from the OSU team doctors, physical training staff and Coach Mick, then where ever he is now. AND still have had 4 months to prepare for the combine. He could have stayed with his team and flunked his classes, what would that have mattered, knowing he'd be leaving school after the first of the year. As far as I know there hasn't even been any communication.
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Post by Birdman on Nov 29, 2018 17:54:13 GMT -5
It bugs me a little that he left the team and school...
God knows a NFL career can end just like that.
I love seeing the buckeyes win, but sometimes I feel like are most elite play for the name on the back instead of the team.
Groin injuries are very tricky too, had one in HS, sucker was for real.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 30, 2018 3:47:12 GMT -5
His medical prognosis was 6-8 weeks recovery and then getting back into playing condition pretty much put him out of the picture. As many of you have alluded, the right thing to do would have remained with the team on the sidelines as a mentor and team supporter. Think he got some bad advice from whoever.
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Post by dude on Nov 30, 2018 9:04:37 GMT -5
His medical prognosis was 6-8 weeks recovery and then getting back into playing condition pretty much put him out of the picture. As many of you have alluded, the right thing to do would have remained with the team on the sidelines as a mentor and team supporter. Think he got some bad advice from whoever. The time frame is was I was hinting at. The original thought was 6-8 weeks with it being more towards the high side. This put him out until the Maryland game. After surgery and about 4 weeks of healing he was told it would be even longer. During the 4 weeks he was constantly being talked to, interviewed and a topic of discussion. He made a decision, some see as selfish, to remove himself from the difficult process of winning college football games which would allow him to heal in peace and his teammates to move on without him. Since it had become apparent he would not be healthy to play against TTUN and maybe longer. I don't 100% agree with it but can see the positive for the team in doing it.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 30, 2018 13:19:49 GMT -5
His medical prognosis was 6-8 weeks recovery and then getting back into playing condition pretty much put him out of the picture. As many of you have alluded, the right thing to do would have remained with the team on the sidelines as a mentor and team supporter. Think he got some bad advice from whoever. The time frame is was I was hinting at. The original thought was 6-8 weeks with it being more towards the high side. This put him out until the Maryland game. After surgery and about 4 weeks of healing he was told it would be even longer. During the 4 weeks he was constantly being talked to, interviewed and a topic of discussion. He made a decision, some see as selfish, to remove himself from the difficult process of winning college football games which would allow him to heal in peace and his teammates to move on without him. Since it had become apparent he would not be healthy to play against TTUN and maybe longer. I don't 100% agree with it but can see the positive for the team in doing it. I definitely, can see the positive for the team, especially as it pertains to next season. The defensive front have been given the challenge to step it up and they have. The experience and depth is that much better for next year.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 1, 2018 22:12:37 GMT -5
Notre Dame who doesn't have a Conference Championship, UCF or Ohio State?
Common Opponents ND beat Michigan 24-17 OSU beat Michigan 62-39
ND beat Northwestern 31-21 OSU beat Northwestern ?? up 24-7 currently at the half
Does ND get the free pass for not having to play a Championship game. If so then 12-0 Big Ten teams need to take heed in the future and just skip the Champ game.
2013 12-0 Ohio State - lost Big Champ game and was denied a chance to play for it all 2015 12-0 Iowa - lost Big Champ game and was denied a chance to play for it all 2017 12-0 Wisconsin - lost Big Champ game and was denied a chance to play for it all ^^^ If all 3 of those teams skipped the Big Champ game they would have been playing for it all
Why does Notre Dame get to skip that 13th game that has devastated so many other 12-0 teams. Alabama at 12-0 almost had their season devastated, why does ND get a free pass. The Committee should stick in 12-0 Conf Champ UCF and leave ND out. Tell ND to join the ACC and not pull the crap they are pulling by being an ACC member in everything except Football.
ND plays 5 ACC games (full league members play 8), so they play in that weak league but avoid Clemson. The ACC went 4-14 against non-Conf Power 5 teams.
UCF vs ND common opponents ND beat Pitt 19-14 UCF beat Pitt 45-14
UCF is undefeated and a Conference Champion. Is ND better than UCF. I don't think so. Auburn thought they were better last year and found out the hard way.
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Post by Birdman on Dec 2, 2018 0:21:30 GMT -5
Very compelling Rambo. Very compelling.
Just me.
1. Alabama 2. Clemson 3. Oklahoma 4. Georgia 5. OSU 6. UCF 7. Notre Dame 8. Michigan 9. LSU 10. Florida
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Post by truecrimson on Dec 2, 2018 8:15:30 GMT -5
I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate here. If the Bucks end up in the Rose are people going to be ok with players that are entering the draft to sit it out? After seeing McKenzie Milton’s injury and Jaylon Smith’s injury a couple years ago in the Fiesta Bowl I’m cool with it. The bowl games have basically become glorified scrimmages anyways for the elite programs The buckeyes are a prime example of this. Bosa did what was best for him when he was injured and would surely have been able to come back this year but instead made a decision to drop and focus on his goal of the NFL. I can't blame him one single bit for this, that after all is his career we are talking about here. The top teams going after the elusive National Championship trophy, sure the players should play but playing in the Taco Bell bowl and risking your career, I'd pass if you had any chance of being drafted.
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