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Post by 1percenter on Dec 2, 2018 8:30:07 GMT -5
Anyone seen the Rothman Rankings? This guys rankings were used in the BCS from 1999-2001 1 Alabama 2 Clemson 3 Georgia 4 Notre Dame 5 LSU 6 Florida 7 Kentucky 8 Missouri 9 Texas A&M 10 Central Florida 11 Mississippi State 12 Michigan 13 Ohio State 14 Oklahoma 15 South Carolina 16 Auburn 17 Syracuse 18 Penn State 19 Washington 20 Washington State
Ohio State would be the 9th best team in the SEC according to his computer poll. I can't wait to see the NFL draft if his poll is true, the whole first round might be all SEC, all 32 picks.
I want computers to decide who the at-large teams are in the 8 team playoff but they need to pick computers that actually work, not some junk like this Rothman rankings appear to be. How were they ever included in the BCS?
Sagarin, Vegas, FPI seem to be much better at predicting games
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 9:05:29 GMT -5
I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate here. If the Bucks end up in the Rose are people going to be ok with players that are entering the draft to sit it out? After seeing McKenzie Milton’s injury and Jaylon Smith’s injury a couple years ago in the Fiesta Bowl I’m cool with it. The bowl games have basically become glorified scrimmages anyways for the elite programs The buckeyes are a prime example of this. Bosa did what was best for him when he was injured and would surely have been able to come back this year but instead made a decision to drop and focus on his goal of the NFL. I can't blame him one single bit for this, that after all is his career we are talking about here. The top teams going after the elusive National Championship trophy, sure the players should play but playing in the Taco Bell bowl and risking your career, I'd pass if you had any chance of being drafted. Ed Oliver, a projected top 10 pick, has already announced he is sitting out Houston’s bowl game
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Post by dude on Dec 2, 2018 11:36:10 GMT -5
Ohio State would be the 9th best team in the SEC according to his computer poll. I can't wait to see the NFL draft if his poll is true, the whole first round might be all SEC, all 32 picks. I do not know how any educated person can value this when Ohio State did not prepare for 1 SEC team this season. Does anyone actually feel that game preparation does not have value. Does someone out there really think that teams take the week between games off.
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Post by purefan on Dec 2, 2018 12:21:07 GMT -5
I’m vomiting in my mouth. I now have turned off esecpn. How anyone can say a 2 loss team should be in top 4 that lost one of those games 36 to 16 to a 3 loss team makes me sick. This whole nc thing needs major overhaul and needs to stop being influenced by esecpn. There are 8 teams again this year that deserve a shot. Give it to em!! Once again i challenge anyone to tell me who the sec’s best NON CONFERENCE win is this year. The sec went 5 and 6 in bowl games a year ago. But thats right, the sec is second to no one, just ask esecpn. What a joke! Wake up america!!!
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Post by cbus on Dec 2, 2018 12:38:54 GMT -5
The SEC had the most draft picks last year and also the most in the first round. I guess you are saying the SEC conference is bad because they have a bad bowl record but, the NFL appears to disagree.
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Post by 1percenter on Dec 2, 2018 12:49:09 GMT -5
Big Ten 7-1 SEC 5-6
On the field results matter. Oh wait they don't, we play in the Committee era where eye test matters.
SEC JaMarcus Russell #1 pick - eye test Big Ten Tom Brady barely drafted - eye test
NFL knows all too, eye test
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Post by purefan on Dec 2, 2018 12:54:17 GMT -5
The SEC had the most draft picks last year and also the most in the first round. I guess you are saying the SEC conference is bad because they have a bad bowl record but, the NFL appears to disagree. Bad arguement. I am talking teams not individuals. I can have a team of 10 first rounders and go 9 and 3.
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Post by dude on Dec 2, 2018 13:06:13 GMT -5
The SEC had the most draft picks last year and also the most in the first round. I guess you are saying the SEC conference is bad because they have a bad bowl record but, the NFL appears to disagree. Why does the NFL draft pick totals mean something for poor bowl game performances? The Mountain West Conference had a player taken in the draft last year before any SEC school. Does that make them better than a SEC school?
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Post by cbus on Dec 2, 2018 13:30:38 GMT -5
Big Ten 7-1 SEC 5-6 On the field results matter. Oh wait they don't, we play in the Committee era where eye test matters. SEC JaMarcus Russell #1 pick - eye test Big Ten Tom Brady barely drafted - eye test NFL knows all too, eye test Eye tests matter more than an exhibition game. IMO
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Post by cbus on Dec 2, 2018 13:33:16 GMT -5
The SEC had the most draft picks last year and also the most in the first round. I guess you are saying the SEC conference is bad because they have a bad bowl record but, the NFL appears to disagree. Bad arguement. I am talking teams not individuals. I can have a team of 10 first rounders and go 9 and 3. Ok, then the final game last year was between 2 SEC teams.
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Post by cbus on Dec 2, 2018 13:34:12 GMT -5
The SEC had the most draft picks last year and also the most in the first round. I guess you are saying the SEC conference is bad because they have a bad bowl record but, the NFL appears to disagree. Why does the NFL draft pick totals mean something for poor bowl game performances? The Mountain West Conference had a player taken in the draft last year before any SEC school. Does that make them better than a SEC school? Well, of course that’s what I’m saying.
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Post by purefan on Dec 2, 2018 13:43:03 GMT -5
Bad arguement. I am talking teams not individuals. I can have a team of 10 first rounders and go 9 and 3. Ok, then the final game last year was between 2 SEC teams. And your point? If i hand picked 2 teams from the same conference and pitted them against any other 2 hand picked teams i like those odds for my conference. Try again
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Post by smitty1974 on Dec 2, 2018 13:57:33 GMT -5
i still think one way or another espn has some kind of infuence.espn has a influence in sec and acc teams and biased against the big ten. i would think that big ten commissioner pull the big ten from espn and put them on fox.i hate espn favors sec and acc teams.
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Post by smitty1974 on Dec 2, 2018 13:58:15 GMT -5
i still think one way or another espn has some kind of infuence.espn has a influence in sec and acc teams and biased against the big ten. i would think that big ten commissioner pull the big ten from espn and put them on fox.i hate espn favors sec and acc teams.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 2, 2018 14:34:06 GMT -5
The Committee made a clear statement
#10 Florida 6 Power 5 wins 2 FCS games played 3 losses
#6 Ohio State 11 Power 5 wins 0 FCS games played 1 loss
All that got Ohio St was 4 spots higher than 3 loss Florida. Drop Purdue pick up Charleston Southern Drop Nebraska pick up Citadel Drop Minnesota pick up Middle Tennessee St
A clear message was sent, schedule crap games like the SEC because they don't care about power 5 wins.
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Post by cbus on Dec 2, 2018 14:38:55 GMT -5
Ok, then the final game last year was between 2 SEC teams. And your point? If i hand picked 2 teams from the same conference and pitted them against any other 2 hand picked teams i like those odds for my conference. Try again Georgia and Alabama played there way into the finals. Are you saying they weren’t the 2 best teams last year? If so, then I guess you didn’t watch the games.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 2, 2018 14:38:59 GMT -5
Head to Head doesn't matter either
8-4 Iowa - not ranked 8-4 Iowa St - #24
Iowa won the head to head 13-3. The Committee didn't care.
Iowa & Iowa St both had 6 power 5 wins Iowa lost by 2, 4, 6 & 11 Iowa St lost by 3, 10, 10, & 14
Nobody at ESPN asks why Iowa St is ranked and not Iowa, instead they say how amazing Iowa St is.
The Committee placed Iowa St at #24 to boost Oklahoma's resume.
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Post by dude on Dec 2, 2018 14:39:31 GMT -5
Well, of course that’s what I’m saying. Made just as much sense.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 2, 2018 14:42:27 GMT -5
And your point? If i hand picked 2 teams from the same conference and pitted them against any other 2 hand picked teams i like those odds for my conference. Try again Georgia and Alabama played there way into the finals. Are you saying they weren’t the 2 best teams last year? If so, then I guess you didn’t watch the games. Sagarin Ratings from last year #1 Alabama #2 Ohio State - left out
#3 Georgia #4 Penn State - left out #5 Clemson #6 Oklahoma
Georgia needed overtime to beat #6, how would they have fared vs #4 or #2? Two of the best teams were left out last year to make it easy for the SEC who got 2 teams placed in. Stacked deck
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Post by purefan on Dec 2, 2018 14:50:18 GMT -5
And your point? If i hand picked 2 teams from the same conference and pitted them against any other 2 hand picked teams i like those odds for my conference. Try again Georgia and Alabama played there way into the finals. Are you saying they weren’t the 2 best teams last year? If so, then I guess you didn’t watch the games. They were 2 of 4 teams that got an invite to the invitational. 2 teams from the same conference. Lets put it this way. Osu and michigan run the table till THE GAME. Lets say ttun wins and goes on to win big ten championship game and goes undefeated at 13 and 0. Osu finishes 11 and 1 with only loss to ttun. Ttun makes invitational. Do you think for one single min this stupid committee would ever in a zillion years put osu in ? Never!! They would never ever ever ever infinity ever put 2 teams from big ten into there invitational!!!!!! However esecpn is ****** off a 2 loss georgia is not in this year!! What a joke!! Absolute joke!!!! I say again, wake up america!!
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 2, 2018 15:01:48 GMT -5
Two loss and no conference championship Georgia rated ahead of 12-1 Ohio State? Talk about a snub from this committee.
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Post by galion on Dec 2, 2018 20:36:57 GMT -5
You can throw all of the numbers crap out the window. This has absolutely zero to do with strength of schedule, quality wins, or any of the other bs criteria that is being brought up. This was the committee's and the media's way of "punishing" Urban and OSU for the whole Smith fiasco. It's also the reason that Haskins isn't even going to sniff the Heisman this season. The only way that OSU was getting in this season was to go undefeated. It didn't matter who they lost to. I had originally thought that had Harbaugh been even a mildly competent coach in big game and had managed to beat a less than stellar ND team the OSU might have snuck in. But with where the committee just ranked Georgia, even then it was never going to happen.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 2, 2018 22:16:24 GMT -5
Two loss Georgia rated ahead of 12-1 Ohio State? Talk about a snub from this committee. It makes NO difference if Ohio State is 5 or 6. No prize for finishing anything except 1 through 4.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 3, 2018 3:42:36 GMT -5
Two loss Georgia rated ahead of 12-1 Ohio State? Talk about a snub from this committee. It makes NO difference if Ohio State is 5 or 6. No prize for finishing anything except 1 through 4. So true.....
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Post by cbus on Dec 3, 2018 19:12:24 GMT -5
Georgia and Alabama played there way into the finals. Are you saying they weren’t the 2 best teams last year? If so, then I guess you didn’t watch the games. Sagarin Ratings from last year #1 Alabama #2 Ohio State - left out
#3 Georgia #4 Penn State - left out #5 Clemson #6 Oklahoma
Georgia needed overtime to beat #6, how would they have fared vs #4 or #2? Two of the best teams were left out last year to make it easy for the SEC who got 2 teams placed in. Stacked deck
IMO you should spend less time looking at computer polls and more time looking at the actual games. Plus aren't you one of the folks that criticized OSU last year because of their noodle armed QB? Based on those comments, I can't believe you thought OSU was the 2nd best team in the country. Anyway, for this year I think the committee makes mistakes by mixing the best team with the most deserving team. IMO, the most deserving teams are the 4 they picked (AL, Clemson, OK and ND) but, the best teams going into the playoffs are Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and Oklahoma or Ohio State. In the end though it doesn't really matter-this is a 2 horse race. Maybe OK can scare 'Bama, especially if Tua is still hurt but, I doubt it. Vegas lines are "Bama by 14 and Clemson by 12 (ho-hum games). Ohio State would be probably have a similar line against Alabama but I think Georgia v Clemson would be closer to 3 points.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 3, 2018 21:36:55 GMT -5
^^^Georgia just played Bama and the line was Bama by 11, (ho hum). Vegas is crystal clear Georgia isn’t worthy of stepping on the field with Bama. Oh wait.
People like you cbus are the most unintelligent football fans. Eye test people are the worst. You eye tested michigan would beat Ohio St a couple weeks back. Your eyes suck bro.
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Post by dude on Dec 4, 2018 9:24:01 GMT -5
Eye test people can be okay if they have eyes that have been tested.
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Post by cbus on Dec 4, 2018 12:33:51 GMT -5
Rambo, let’s reset for 2018. Who do you think should be in the playoffs (I sssume based on some computer ranking)?
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 4, 2018 12:37:43 GMT -5
Yep, computers say 1 Bama 2 Clemson 3 Georgia 4 Ohio St
Bowl games will prove this out
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Post by cbus on Dec 4, 2018 13:53:28 GMT -5
I could go with OK or OSU so we basically agree. So, I guess we’re arguing about 2017? You thought the SEC shouldn’t have had 2 teams? Or OSU should have replaced Bama or OK or Georgia?
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