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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 4, 2018 14:16:15 GMT -5
Clemson lost to a 4-8 Syracuse team last year, played a terrible schedule and got in. Free pass, Bama lost by 2 scores to 4 loss Auburn last year. Free pass. Ohio St is held to absurd standards that no other team is held to.
Ohio St under Urban Meyer heading INTO bowl season 2012 12-0 2013 12-1 2014 12-1 2015 11-1 2016 11-1 2017 11-2 2018 12-1
Only twice were we allowed to play for it all. Won it all 50% of the time we were given a shot. Bama wins so much cuz they get in every year. I’ve heard on a national espn radio station that there is a special place in hell for Urban Meyer. You are in complete denial if you don’t think there has been a bias against OSU.
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Post by cbus on Dec 4, 2018 16:45:18 GMT -5
So you would have kicked out #1 Clemson or #4 Alabama last year and added Ohio State? I guess Ohio St may have beaten Clemson just like Alabama did but I doubt it. I think Clemson had the 4th toughest schedule in 2017 (but that's affected by playing Bama in the playoff). Kicking Alabama out would have been a big mistake (imo). After all they eventually won it all.
It seems like you think the resume is the most important thing in deciding the 4 teams. I think the 4 best teams should play. As a fan, I just want to see a good game. I would love for the Buckeyes to be in the Playoffs (last year and this year). I just don't think it's a slam dunk that they are one of the 4 best teams. As for the committee, I can't figure out what they use as criteria.
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Post by purefan on Dec 4, 2018 17:03:28 GMT -5
So you would have kicked out #1 Clemson or #4 Alabama last year and added Ohio State? I guess Ohio St may have beaten Clemson just like Alabama did but I doubt it. I think Clemson had the 4th toughest schedule in 2017 (but that's affected by playing Bama in the playoff). Kicking Alabama out would have been a big mistake (imo). After all they eventually won it all. It seems like you think the resume is the most important thing in deciding the 4 teams. I think the 4 best teams should play. As a fan, I just want to see a good game. I would love for the Buckeyes to be in the Playoffs (last year and this year). I just don't think it's a slam dunk that they are one of the 4 best teams. As for the committee, I can't figure out what they use as criteria. And here in lies the problem. No one ever truely knows who the 4 best teams are. No one plays the exact same schedule. It is all done by what the powers that be opinion is. For all we know ucf may have been the best team the last 2 years. Expansion is in the very near future. Imo 8 teams weeds out the true contenders from the pretenders
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Post by cbus on Dec 4, 2018 17:16:11 GMT -5
I don’t think you want 8 teams if you don’t like the SEC. They might get 3 teams in every year and then will probably have 3 of the final 4. It’ll be an SEC love fest. Based on your previous posts, I assume that won’t make you happy.
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Post by purefan on Dec 4, 2018 18:20:28 GMT -5
I dont care how many sec teams would be in as long as they are deserving. What i do care about is having all conference champions in of the power 5 conferences so as its not a stacked deck. Trust me the commitee would put all 4 from the sec every year if they could. This year they would of loved to have it be bama georgia lsu and florida. How many more years will the big ten stand by and let there conference champion be left out?
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 4, 2018 20:48:07 GMT -5
^^^What can the Big Ten do about it other than to tell OSU to not get their arses handed to them by mediocre Iowa and Purdue?
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Post by purefan on Dec 4, 2018 21:29:44 GMT -5
So if bama would of lost to let’s say the citadel (by the way they were tied at half) this year,which conference gets the shaft? Thats’s what i thought.... next question
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 4, 2018 21:36:44 GMT -5
A path down the road of "what ifs" doesn't help your hypothesis.
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Post by purefan on Dec 4, 2018 21:43:35 GMT -5
I disagree. It was a forgone conclusion that if georgia doesn’t choke in sec title game that both bama and georgia would have been in and big 12 and big ten left on the outside. Why? Because esecpn say’s so. The sec has never nor will they ever be left on the outside looking in. Take it to the bank
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 4, 2018 21:52:25 GMT -5
You're right about the SEC, but due to solid reputation. And trust me, I don't care for the SEC like the next person on here
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Post by fbfan on Dec 7, 2018 10:36:15 GMT -5
I was going through my cable channel guide to see which games I would like to plan on watching this Saturday. Looks like my choices are Colgate @ North Dakota St., at noon, in a Championship round of the FCS playoffs. And the Army/Navy game at 3pm. While I like the Army/Navy game and will watch it, I'd rather watch Ohio State and the other top teams in 4 games of the first round of an FBS National Championship Playoff.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Dec 7, 2018 11:00:58 GMT -5
Eh, if they do go to an 8 team playoff I'd prefer the quarterfinals be 2 weeks after the conference title games. For one it would keep Army-Navy in its current special status...but also to make the interval between playoff rounds more consistent.
If done this year it would be:
Conf Champ Games Dec 1 14 days Quarterfinals Dec 15 14 days Semifinals Dec 29 9 days National Championship Jan 7
Last year (for an example of when the semis are NYD):
Conf Champ Games Dec 2 14 days Quarterfinals Dec 16 16 days Semifinals Jan 1 7 days (minimum possible, it was 11 days in the previous time the semis were NYD) National Championship Jan 8
Doing the quarterfinals Army-Navy week would make it 7-21-9 this year and 7-23-7 last year.
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Post by 1percenter on Dec 7, 2018 14:50:13 GMT -5
^^^ Sounds good. Keeps the Heisman Presentation in between too.
With the 8 team format - auto-bid for Conf Champs #8 Washington at #1 Alabama #7 UCF at #2 Clemson #6 Ohio St at #3 Notre Dame #5 Georgia at #4 Clemson
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 7, 2018 23:53:26 GMT -5
Of all the schools in the Power Five Conferences, ND and UCF. Do all have the same Holiday shut downs? If not, when are finals weeks? The powers to be that will give the final OK to go to 8 teams and use your suggested schedule, WILL BE concerned with those academic issues. And head coaches will not want a given school to have a definite disadvantage or advantage based on when their Holiday shut down starts and where finals weeks fit in.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 8, 2018 6:06:21 GMT -5
I disagree. It was a forgone conclusion that if georgia doesn’t choke in sec title game that both bama and georgia would have been in and big 12 and big ten left on the outside. Why? Because esecpn say’s so. The sec has never nor will they ever be left on the outside looking in. Take it to the bank You are correct in your assessment. ESECPN has been very vocal on who they prefer. The playoff committee placing Georgia 5th was an intentional message to Ohio State IMO. Associated Press got it right though, placing Ohio State 5th in their final poll.
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Post by fbfan on Dec 8, 2018 8:34:28 GMT -5
Of all the schools in the Power Five Conferences, ND and UCF. Do all have the same Holiday shut downs? If not, when are finals weeks? The powers to be that will give the final OK to go to 8 teams and use your suggested schedule, WILL BE concerned with those academic issues. And head coaches will not want a given school to have a definite disadvantage or advantage based on when their Holiday shut down starts and whee finals weeks fit in. There are 24 teams in the NCAA Division I (FCS) Championship Playoffs. The playoff schedule dates are: 11-24; 12-1; Quarter finals 12-7/8; Semi finals 12-14/15; Final 1-5. If all of those schools can work out and make accommodations for their football teams to participate in a national championship playoff, so can the top 8 teams in the FBS.
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Post by Whittaker on Dec 8, 2018 10:26:48 GMT -5
Of all the schools in the Power Five Conferences, ND and UCF. Do all have the same Holiday shut downs? If not, when are finals weeks? The powers to be that will give the final OK to go to 8 teams and use your suggested schedule, WILL BE concerned with those academic issues. And head coaches will not want a given school to have a definite disadvantage or advantage based on when their Holiday shut down starts and whee finals weeks fit in. Finals for tOSU are Dec 7th-13th Bama's are Dec 11th-14th There would definitely be academic scheduling issues with an 8 team playoff.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 8, 2018 11:13:01 GMT -5
^^^Bowl games start on Dec 15th, so why can't the first round of playoffs start on Dec. 15th too?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 8, 2018 12:07:28 GMT -5
Of all the schools in the Power Five Conferences, ND and UCF. Do all have the same Holiday shut downs? If not, when are finals weeks? The powers to be that will give the final OK to go to 8 teams and use your suggested schedule, WILL BE concerned with those academic issues. And head coaches will not want a given school to have a definite disadvantage or advantage based on when their Holiday shut down starts and whee finals weeks fit in. There are 24 teams in the NCAA Division I (FCS) Championship Playoffs. The playoff schedule dates are: 11-24; 12-1; Quarter finals 12-7/8; Semi finals 12-14/15; Final 1-5. If all of those schools can work out and make accommodations for their football teams to participate in a national championship playoff, so can the top 8 teams in the FBS. Will Div1 schools be willing to reduce the number of regular season games they play so as not to play more games than schools in the FCS championship? The powers to be that will make the final decision to expand to 8 are not the same as FCS schools. Will SEC schools be willing to play a game in Wisconsin or Michigan? Will Bowl Games be willing to be a part of this or will they demand to keep their end of year and New Year dates?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 8, 2018 12:13:33 GMT -5
^^^Bowl games start on Dec 15th, so why can't the first round of playoffs start on Dec. 15th too? Not paying attention again. It was suggested above that games would start 2 weeks earlier.
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Post by fbfan on Dec 8, 2018 12:41:50 GMT -5
There are 24 teams in the NCAA Division I (FCS) Championship Playoffs. The playoff schedule dates are: 11-24; 12-1; Quarter finals 12-7/8; Semi finals 12-14/15; Final 1-5. If all of those schools can work out and make accommodations for their football teams to participate in a national championship playoff, so can the top 8 teams in the FBS. Will Div1 schools be willing to reduce the number of regular season games they play so as not to play more games than schools in the FCS championship? The powers to be that will make the final decision to expand to 8 are not the same as FCS schools. Will SEC schools be willing to play a game in Wisconsin or Michigan? Will Bowl Games be willing to be a part of this or will they demand to keep their end of year and New Year dates? All of those questions would have to be answered, but the assertion in your post that finals week would be a problem has been shown to be incorrect by the FCS schools. That is what my response addresses.
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Post by fbfan on Dec 8, 2018 12:44:42 GMT -5
^^^Bowl games start on Dec 15th, so why can't the first round of playoffs start on Dec. 15th too? Not paying attention again. It was suggested above that games would start 2 weeks earlier. Not paying attention to the bold dates in my post. Same dates for semi's in the FCS and 1st round in an 8-team FBS. Not 2 weeks earlier.
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Post by fbfan on Dec 8, 2018 13:10:23 GMT -5
There are 24 teams in the NCAA Division I (FCS) Championship Playoffs. The playoff schedule dates are: 11-24; 12-1; Quarter finals 12-7/8; Semi finals 12-14/15; Final 1-5. If all of those schools can work out and make accommodations for their football teams to participate in a national championship playoff, so can the top 8 teams in the FBS. Will Div1 schools be willing to reduce the number of regular season games they play so as not to play more games than schools in the FCS championship? The powers to be that will make the final decision to expand to 8 are not the same as FCS schools. Will SEC schools be willing to play a game in Wisconsin or Michigan? Will Bowl Games be willing to be a part of this or will they demand to keep their end of year and New Year dates? 1. One extra game for 2 schools. They could decline if they don't want to participate. A problem for any of the top 8 FBS schools? 2. Would love to hear the SEC make excuses for why they couldn't. 3. Bowl games could remain as they are now with same format with the 4 winners of the first round of an 8-team PO.
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Post by Whittaker on Dec 8, 2018 13:14:52 GMT -5
^^^Bowl games start on Dec 15th, so why can't the first round of playoffs start on Dec. 15th too? Yes it can be done. But should it be done? Should a kid who has a final on the 12th, 13th & 14th be expected to prepare for those exams and also prepare for the game? The 1968 Buckeyes won the Rose Bowl and the NC in the their 10th game. In 1976 the Buckeyes won the Orange Bowl which was their 12th game. The 2014 Buckeyes topped Oregon for the National Championship in their 15th game. More games means more money. We could go to a 14 game regular season and a 16 team playoff. It could be done. But should it be done?
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Post by fbfan on Dec 8, 2018 13:38:06 GMT -5
The kids going to those FCS schools are doing it. Are the FCS schools smarter than the FBS schools? The players knew what they were signing up for. Tutors, academic help, schedule accommodations, etc. are already provided for student/athletes. No one says its easy, but the ones who want an education can get one. The same arguments against expanded schedules are presented every time. And every time expansion has been done as you have shown.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 8, 2018 19:23:14 GMT -5
The FCS schools only play 10 regular season games so that their Championship is the 15th game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 8, 2018 19:52:56 GMT -5
Not paying attention again. It was suggested above that games would start 2 weeks earlier. Not paying attention to the bold dates in my post. Same dates for semi's in the FCS and 1st round in an 8-team FBS. Not 2 weeks earlier. I was looking at BBs post that included the beginning of the playoffs being the Conference Title game for the Power Five Conferences which are played at the beginning of December.
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Post by fbfan on Dec 8, 2018 21:29:02 GMT -5
^^^Nice! The only bad thing I see about that bracket is that the team up north gets the Rose Bowl.
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Post by fbfan on Dec 8, 2018 21:34:21 GMT -5
The FCS schools only play 10 regular season games so that their Championship is the 15th game. They have a 24 team field. Good for them. Not a reason that the FBS schools can't have an 8 team playoff with their schedules as they are now.
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