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Post by crimson5 on Jan 23, 2019 23:23:31 GMT -5
Same page? He is a homer, I'm not. As you know, I read most of your posts. Where does your allegiance rest..... Upper?
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 24, 2019 11:48:52 GMT -5
You mean against OCC schools because the Wooster game you began this talk with was at a neutral site. You continue to embarrass yourself. He's paying cudos to the OCC and you just pick it apart. As I've said all along, you just look for a fight. Dude's fine; it's the price I pay for being the ultimate Homer.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 24, 2019 21:02:22 GMT -5
I have to agree about SBC; however, the stretch of games at the end of year for Norwalk(at Lex, Cardinal Stritch, at Sandusky) prepares us well for Truckers. Of course, that could work in Lex and Sandy's favor as well. I forgot to mention Northwestern which is 12-2, and Truckers will play at their place the night after Lex.
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Post by dude on Jan 24, 2019 21:36:40 GMT -5
I have to agree about SBC; however, the stretch of games at the end of year for Norwalk(at Lex, Cardinal Stritch, at Sandusky) prepares us well for Truckers. Of course, that could work in Lex and Sandy's favor as well. I forgot to mention Northwestern which is 12-2, and Truckers will play at their place the night after Lex. Are they the same team that lost to Clear Fork by almost 15?
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 24, 2019 22:35:32 GMT -5
Yes, but at their place right after Lex could be tough.
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Post by dude on Jan 24, 2019 22:42:59 GMT -5
Yes, but at their place right after Lex could be tough. Haven't you ever seen Hoosiers? I'm pretty sure the rims are 10'.
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Post by dude on Jan 24, 2019 23:20:12 GMT -5
Some interesting information from another page that I thought should be on this page instead.
Vermillion 13-2 69-101 .406 = winning percentage of the team beat Clear Fork 12-2 76-87 .466 Lexington 10-3 73-61 .544 Norwalk 11-2 60-77 .437
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 25, 2019 7:36:47 GMT -5
Yes, but at their place right after Lex could be tough. Haven't you ever seen Hoosiers? I'm pretty sure the rims are 10'. Forget about Hoosiers; at Lexington and at Northwestern the same weekend. UK Wildcats and the other Wildcats in Evanston, IL should prepare Truckers well in tourney.
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Post by 419bossman on Jan 27, 2019 23:47:17 GMT -5
We are two weeks before the draw and here are the records and what each team has before the draw. Go ahead and put what you think will happen before the draw, who will get the top seeds and who might want that bye?
VERMILION (14-2), Firelands(3-10),Margaretta(11-4), Perkins(9-7), Willard(12-3).
CLEAR FORK (14-2), Buckeye Valley(7-7), Galion(5-10), Ontario(6-7), Loudonville(7-8), Pleasant(11-4).
MANSFIELD SR. (11-2) Wooster(6-6), Sandusky(9-4), Mt. Vernon(6-10), West Holmes(2-13), Lima Senior(12-2)
LEXINGTON (11-3), Ashland(10-5), Madison(4-14), Norwalk(13-2), Ottawa-Glandorf(12-2)
NORWALK (13-2), Port Clinton(1-14), Lexington(11-3), Northwestern(14-4)
SANDUSKY (9-4), Clyde(9-6), Mansfield Sr.(11-2), Ashland(10-5), Perkins(9-7)
CLYDE (9-6), Sandusky(9-4), Fremont Ross(2-12), Huron(7-8), Genoa(13-0)
PERKINS (9-7), Tiffin(1-12), Vermilion(14-2), Sandusky(9-4)
SHELBY (8-7), Harding(5-9), Ashland(10-5), Ontario(6-7), Buckeye Valley(7-7)
ONTARIO (6-7), River Valley(5-10), Clear Fork(14-2), Shelby(8-7), Galion(5-10), Mansfield Christian(2-15)
BELLEVUE (5-9), Upper(11-4), Willard(12-3), Tiffin(1-12), Oak Harbor(8-6)
GALION (5-10), Clear Fork(14-2), Mt. Gilead(4-11), Ontario(6-7)
TIFFIN (1-12), Perkins(9-7), New Riegel(7-7), Kenton(10-4), Bellevue(5-9), Port Clinton(1-14)
EDISON (1-14), Huron(7-8), Firelands(3-10), Port Clinton(1-14), South Central(12-3
PORT CLINTON (1-14), Norwalk(13-2), Edison(1-14), Tiffin(1-12)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 7:51:46 GMT -5
Wow a lot can happen. It’s going to interesting to see how the coaches vote Vermilion and Clear Fork whom have far less quality wins than Lex, Mansfield and Norwalk. Those are top 5 schools. Clyde and Sandusky are solid squads. Perkins has improved throughout the season. Also if Shelby gets healthy I wouldn’t want to mess with them. Add all that up we are going to have some great sectional final matchups and heck of a district tournament in Madison
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 12:44:37 GMT -5
Port Clinton has the best chance to move up 3 spots
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Post by sportsfan15 on Jan 28, 2019 16:24:01 GMT -5
Wow a lot can happen. It’s going to interesting to see how the coaches vote Vermilion and Clear Fork whom have far less quality wins than Lex, Mansfield and Norwalk. Those are top 5 schools. Clyde and Sandusky are solid squads. Perkins has improved throughout the season. Also if Shelby gets healthy I wouldn’t want to mess with them. Add all that up we are going to have some great sectional final matchups and heck of a district tournament in Madison Shelby will not be getting Hoffman back from what I’ve heard
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Post by dude on Jan 29, 2019 11:12:11 GMT -5
We are two weeks before the draw and here are the records and what each team has before the draw. Go ahead and put what you think will happen before the draw, who will get the top seeds and who might want that bye? VERMILION (14-2), Firelands(3-10),Margaretta(11-4), Perkins(9-7), Willard(12-3). CLEAR FORK (14-2), Buckeye Valley(7-7), Galion(5-10), Ontario(6-7), Loudonville(7-8), Pleasant(11-4). MANSFIELD SR. (11-2) Wooster(6-6), Sandusky(9-4), Mt. Vernon(6-10), West Holmes(2-13), Lima Senior(12-2) LEXINGTON (11-3), Ashland(10-5), Madison(4-14), Norwalk(13-2), Ottawa-Glandorf(12-2) NORWALK (13-2), Port Clinton(1-14), Lexington(11-3), Northwestern(14-4) SANDUSKY (9-4), Clyde(9-6), Mansfield Sr.(11-2), Ashland(10-5), Perkins(9-7) CLYDE (9-6), Sandusky(9-4), Fremont Ross(2-12), Huron(7-8), Genoa(13-0) PERKINS (9-7), Tiffin(1-12), Vermilion(14-2), Sandusky(9-4) SHELBY (8-7), Harding(5-9), Ashland(10-5), Ontario(6-7), Buckeye Valley(7-7) ONTARIO (6-7), River Valley(5-10), Clear Fork(14-2), Shelby(8-7), Galion(5-10), Mansfield Christian(2-15) BELLEVUE (5-9), Upper(11-4), Willard(12-3), Tiffin(1-12), Oak Harbor(8-6) GALION (5-10), Clear Fork(14-2), Mt. Gilead(4-11), Ontario(6-7) TIFFIN (1-12), Perkins(9-7), New Riegel(7-7), Kenton(10-4), Bellevue(5-9), Port Clinton(1-14) EDISON (1-14), Huron(7-8), Firelands(3-10), Port Clinton(1-14), South Central(12-3 PORT CLINTON (1-14), Norwalk(13-2), Edison(1-14), Tiffin(1-12) Using your numbers here is what the team's division and combined records the top 6 are facing from now to voting. Vermilion D2(12-17) D3(23-7) Clear Fork D2(18-24) D3(18-12) Mansfield D1(24-18) D2(11-17) Lexington D1(14-19) D2(13-2) D3(12-2) Norwalk D2(12-17) D3(14-4) Sandusky D1(10-5) D2(29-15) How much does the schedule figure into the voting if you are looking at quality wins? As a D2 district there are a lot of D3 and D4 games on schedules.
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Post by dude on Feb 2, 2019 23:37:18 GMT -5
After tonight
LEXINGTON (12-3) MANSFIELD (12-3) NORWALK (14-2) VERMILION (14-2) CLEAR FORK (15-3) SANDUSKY (9-5) CLYDE (9-7) SHELBY (8-8) PERKINS (10-8) ONTARIO (7-7) BELLEVUE (5-10) GALION (5-10) TIFFIN (2-13) EDISON (1-14) PORT CLINTON (1-15)
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Post by marchmadness on Feb 2, 2019 23:53:14 GMT -5
After tonight LEXINGTON (12-3) MANSFIELD (12-3) NORWALK (14-2) VERMILION (14-2) CLEAR FORK (14-2) SANDUSKY (9-5) CLYDE (9-7) SHELBY (8-8) PERKINS (10-8) ONTARIO (7-7) BELLEVUE (5-10) GALION (5-10) TIFFIN (2-13) EDISON (1-14) PORT CLINTON (1-15) Clear Fork is 15-3. Losses to Lex, Triway and Ontario
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Feb 3, 2019 8:09:42 GMT -5
Dude, I don't know if that is an "official' ranking but I might slide Clear Fork below Sandusky. The Streaks might pose a match up problem due to their quickness.
Also a tough weekend coming up for Lex. Host Norwalk on Friday and travel to Ottawa-Glandorf on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 8:30:00 GMT -5
Have to figure the winner of the Lex-Norwalk game will be the one seed
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Post by sportsfan15 on Feb 3, 2019 13:24:57 GMT -5
It is comical to me that CF and Vermilion don’t get the same respect bc of their conferences ... the OCC has three teams with a winning record and one at .500 while the MOAC has 2 winning teams and 3 .500 teams. Rather comparable in my eyes. (Not super sure how SBC works with the three divisions) But I do understand where people may say the level of competition... however, I have been to several games from both conferences this season, and there are kids who can flat out play in both conferences! IMO there isn’t that much difference in the leve of competition.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Feb 3, 2019 14:19:51 GMT -5
No disrespect to Clear Fork they are having a good year and had a good year last year also. But there's at least 4 teams in the OCC that they would have trouble with. Lex already beat the Colts by 17. They would have trouble with Mansfield Sr. Also Ashland and Wooster would give them fits. Now I don't know much about Vermilion but I would believe the 2 teams Spire Academy and Lorain that beat them by 20-30 points are probably better than anyone they would see all the way to state.
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Post by broccolirob on Feb 3, 2019 18:54:40 GMT -5
Vermilion is 16-2
Wins—Oberlin, Port Clinton (2), Margaretta, Edison (2), Elyria Catholic, Oak Harbor (2), Bellevue, Sandusky, Willard, Huron, Clyde, Firelands, Perkins Losses—Spire Academy, Lorain
Games Left—Willard, @ Margaretta, @ Huron, Clearview
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Post by dude on Feb 3, 2019 20:23:41 GMT -5
It is comical to me that CF and Vermilion don’t get the same respect bc of their conferences ... the OCC has three teams with a winning record and one at .500 while the MOAC has 2 winning teams and 3 .500 teams. Rather comparable in my eyes. (Not super sure how SBC works with the three divisions) But I do understand where people may say the level of competition... however, I have been to several games from both conferences this season, and there are kids who can flat out play in both conferences! IMO there isn’t that much difference in the leve of competition. Clear Fork and Vermilion are both good teams, but comparable? Copley, Canton McKinley, Olmstead Falls, Whitehall, Westerville Central and North, Northland, Dublin Coffman, Newark and Delaware Hayes compare to Who on the schedules of Clear Fork or Vermilion and their leagues? Other than the two Vermilion losses, who have they played that has been a good team that the OCC teams did not play? Same question for Clear Fork?
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Post by sportsfan15 on Feb 3, 2019 20:32:15 GMT -5
It is comical to me that CF and Vermilion don’t get the same respect bc of their conferences ... the OCC has three teams with a winning record and one at .500 while the MOAC has 2 winning teams and 3 .500 teams. Rather comparable in my eyes. (Not super sure how SBC works with the three divisions) But I do understand where people may say the level of competition... however, I have been to several games from both conferences this season, and there are kids who can flat out play in both conferences! IMO there isn’t that much difference in the leve of competition. Clear Fork and Vermilion are both good teams, but comparable? Copley, Canton McKinley, Olmstead Falls, Whitehall, Westerville Central and North, Northland, Dublin Coffman, Newark and Delaware Hayes compare to Who on the schedules of Clear Fork or Vermilion and their leagues? Other than the two Vermilion losses, who have they played that has been a good team that the OCC teams did not play? Same question for Clear Fork? If you read it again, I was strictly mentioning conference schedules, out of conference is a different story. I admit that CF out of conference is not the same as Others
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Post by dude on Feb 3, 2019 20:35:07 GMT -5
Vermilion is 16-2 Wins—Oberlin, Port Clinton (2), Margaretta, Edison (2), Elyria Catholic, Oak Harbor (2), Bellevue, Sandusky, Willard, Huron, Clyde, Firelands, Perkins Losses—Spire Academy, Lorain Games Left—Willard, @ Margaretta, @ Huron, Clearview Wins—Oberlin(4-12), Port Clinton(1-15), Margaretta(12-4), Edison(1-15), Elyria Catholic(9-6), Oak Harbor(9-7), Bellevue(5-10), Sandusky(9-5), Willard(14-3), Huron(8-8), Clyde(9-7), Firelands(4-12, Perkins(10-8)
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 3, 2019 20:39:42 GMT -5
It is comical to me that CF and Vermilion don’t get the same respect bc of their conferences ... the OCC has three teams with a winning record and one at .500 while the MOAC has 2 winning teams and 3 .500 teams. Rather comparable in my eyes. (Not super sure how SBC works with the three divisions) But I do understand where people may say the level of competition... however, I have been to several games from both conferences this season, and there are kids who can flat out play in both conferences! IMO there isn’t that much difference in the leve of competition. Clear Fork just lost to a .500 Ontario team at HOME. The MOAC has ONE team outside of CF with a winning record and it's a DIII school. The MOAC has 1 DI school and 2 DIII schools. The OCC has 4 DI schools and zero DIII schools. Clear Fork will not get one of the Top Four seeds.
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Post by dude on Feb 3, 2019 20:42:22 GMT -5
Clear Fork and Vermilion are both good teams, but comparable? Copley, Canton McKinley, Olmstead Falls, Whitehall, Westerville Central and North, Northland, Dublin Coffman, Newark and Delaware Hayes compare to Who on the schedules of Clear Fork or Vermilion and their leagues? Other than the two Vermilion losses, who have they played that has been a good team that the OCC teams did not play? Same question for Clear Fork? If you read it again, I was strictly mentioning conference schedules, out of conference is a different story. I admit that CF out of conference is not the same as Others I think I read it correctly but I listed some teams the OCC schools play which create the records you referenced. Some of the OCC teams have losing records because of the good teams they play. The top team in the OCC beat the top team in the MOAC by 17 on the road. The 2nd place team in the OCC played the 2nd place team in the MOAC and beat them by 21 at home.
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Post by portwalk on Feb 4, 2019 10:23:22 GMT -5
If you read it again, I was strictly mentioning conference schedules, out of conference is a different story. I admit that CF out of conference is not the same as Others I think I read it correctly but I listed some teams the OCC schools play which create the records you referenced. Some of the OCC teams have losing records because of the good teams they play. The top team in the OCC beat the top team in the MOAC by 17 on the road. The 2nd place team in the OCC played the 2nd place team in the MOAC and beat them by 21 at home. The OCC is NOT strong this season period. West Holmes is bad Mt V is not very good, Wooster is a .500 (even though they beat Senior) Madison is not good either. The three top teams are Ashland who beat a decent Lake team Clyde by 2 and lost at home to Norwalk by 9, Senior who just lost to Wooster and got throttled by 14 by Lex. Lex is the best team IMO...However overall one of the worst years in OCC I can remember...NO CF should NOT be a top 4 seed in that district
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Post by dude on Feb 4, 2019 13:12:02 GMT -5
The OCC is NOT strong this season period. West Holmes is bad Mt V is not very good, Wooster is a .500 (even though they beat Senior) Madison is not good either. The three top teams are Ashland who beat a decent Lake team Clyde by 2 and lost at home to Norwalk by 9, Senior who just lost to Wooster and got throttled by 14 by Lex. Lex is the best team IMO...However overall one of the worst years in OCC I can remember...NO CF should NOT be a top 4 seed in that district There is not a strong LEAGUE anywhere in this area this year but it doesn't mean there are not some good teams and good games being played. Ashland has not been a consistent team but is maybe better than all but one of the Lake teams. The Schedule that Wooster has played is far superior to any other OCC or any of the SBC teams so to look only at their record is unfair if assessing their team. Madison is not at it's normal level and West Holmes is very bad but if Mt Vernon was in the SBC Lake they would be in at least 3rd place right now IMO.
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Post by portwalk on Feb 4, 2019 13:46:57 GMT -5
I agree the area is down however the OCC which always had 3-4 solid teams is having one of its worst campaigns in years that's all. Of your comments above I agree Wooster has played a good schedule, Ashland is not that good, as for Mount Vernon not very good either it is just a down year...
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Post by broccolirob on Feb 4, 2019 15:25:49 GMT -5
Dude--
Vermilion losses were to Lorain (15-1 and #8 in AP D1) and Spire (14-1). Yes, you were quick to point out that Spire beat the Sailors by 27. To put that in some context, their other Ohio wins were over Garfield Hts by 33, Bay by 46, SVSM by 23, Brush by 21, and St. Ed's by 36.
I'm not suggesting Vermilion is better than any of those teams, but it does suggest they've played competitively for a while against a team with 5-6 Division I prospects (Spire) and another with 2-3 Division I prospects (Lorain). Those losses won't matter when it comes to seeding for the tournament, but they do matter in the sense that they will prepare a team for a game down the line against a good opponent in crunch time game situations.
With the way this district is shaping up, it shouldn't matter much at all whether a team is seeded 1st, 4th or 8th. Seems like a pretty pointless argument. Any team is going to have to earn their way through no matter which seed line they land on.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 4, 2019 20:45:03 GMT -5
Clear Fork's non-league schedule will keep them from getting one of the Top Four seeds. But for them it made sense not to upgrade the schedule. Two good seasons, maybe a third next year, but after that its back to less than mediocre.
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