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Post by 419bossman on Feb 4, 2019 18:10:21 GMT -5
Monday 2/4 Shelby at Marion Harding
Tuesday 2/5 Grandview at River Valley Worthington Christian at Buckeye Valley Clear Fork at Loudonville Galion at Mt. Gilead Marion Pleasant at Highland
Wednesday 2/6 Shelby at Ontario
Friday 2/8 Clear Fork at Marion Pleasant- CF looking to clinch the MOAC. Buckeye Valley at Shelby Ontario at Galion River Valley at Marion. Harding
Saturday 2/9 Mansfield St. Peter's at Marion Harding Mansfield Christian at Ontario Buckeye Valley at Highland
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Post by utsherman on Feb 4, 2019 20:18:04 GMT -5
Harding 17 Shelby 13 Half
This game looks to give the Super Bowl a run for its money.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 4, 2019 21:09:35 GMT -5
Harding 37 Shelby 35 Final
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Post by dude on Feb 4, 2019 22:45:34 GMT -5
This Shelby season keeps giving unbelievable results. What is going on with the whippets?
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Post by 4 on Feb 5, 2019 0:08:20 GMT -5
I don’t understand harding, blown out of the water by a BV team they had already beaten. Then turns around and wins. When they’re on, they play tough defense and make it tough on teams. Have surprised me this season as I thought they would be a bottom 2 team.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 5, 2019 10:15:50 GMT -5
Starting 4 Freshman, obviously BV would be improving as the season progresses.
Harding and BV being middle of the pack teams isn't surprising. Shelby being below them is what's surprising, when most thought they were a favorite. Losing their best player, a 6-7 Senior, 3 year starter, their best 3-point shooter has been a big factor. They still can be a good team when the other players pull together and make up, as much as possible, for his loss. Consistently doing that is not easy. In this case an OT loss at Ashland on Saturday, then playing on the road at Harding on Monday was problematic.
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Post by gtab on Feb 5, 2019 21:26:48 GMT -5
Galion 64 Mt. Gilead 62 FINAL
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Post by 419bossman on Feb 5, 2019 23:08:43 GMT -5
Two in a row for Galion, could they make a long run in the tournament now that they are getting some momentum?
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Post by dude on Feb 5, 2019 23:15:52 GMT -5
Two in a row for Galion, could they make a long run in the tournament now that they are getting some momentum? Maybe if they can get into Buckeye Central or Mt Gilead's tournament.
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Post by mrsteel on Feb 6, 2019 20:40:11 GMT -5
Ont-42 Shelby-23 end of 3rd.
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Post by mrsteel on Feb 6, 2019 20:58:40 GMT -5
Ont-45 Shelby-31 Final
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Post by maplecityjake on Feb 6, 2019 21:10:49 GMT -5
I didn't think Warriors could score that many TDs on the Whippets.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 6, 2019 21:58:06 GMT -5
Two in a row for Galion, could they make a long run in the tournament now that they are getting some momentum? Maybe if they can get into Buckeye Central or Mt Gilead's tournament. Not only in their tournament, but in their bracket.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 6, 2019 22:11:53 GMT -5
I think Ontario might have been up by as many as 24 when both coaches emptied their benches half way though the 4th quarter. Shelby's bench is MUCH better than Ontario's and Shelby's bench pressed. It looked like Amstutz was the only player not afraid to shoot 3-pointers, but he missed all he shot. When Ontario went to a zone in the the 2nd half, Shelby passed the ball around A LOT, passing up good shots, until finally someone had to shoot and missed. I wondered if the CF win was an aberration, maybe not. Balogh made an interesting comment after the game when he said, that yesterday was this team's 72nd practice of the season and they have not had one bad practice. Not many coaches can say that, especially as high the bar is set by Joe for a good practice.
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Post by homewrecker on Feb 7, 2019 9:51:54 GMT -5
This Shelby season keeps giving unbelievable results. What is going on with the whippets? It has been time to change that program from the top down for several years now. You guys don't seem to listen to me. Schwem. is in those players heads and not in a good way.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 7, 2019 11:50:39 GMT -5
It did not look like his team was in a good place mentally. They only scored 13 points in the fist half. My friends and I agreed that we'd see a different Shelby team in the second half. But they didn't respond to what ever was said at half time. Whether a new coach would make a difference I can't say, nor can you. Sometimes teams just can't over come losing their best player.
I do know Shelby is a VERY difficult place for coaches to please the "coaches" in the stands.
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Post by sweathog on Feb 7, 2019 12:29:01 GMT -5
It did not look like his team was in a good place mentally. They only scored 13 points in the fist half. My friends and I agreed that we'd see a different Shelby team in the second half. But they didn't respond to what ever was said at half time. Whether a new coach would make a difference I can't say, nor can you. Sometimes teams just can't over come losing their best player. I do know Shelby is a VERY difficult place for coaches to please the "coaches" in the stands. YOUR COACHES IN STANDS IN A VERY CORRECT STATEMENT FOR THEM. AND SOME OF THEM SHOULD KNOW BETTER BECAUSE THEY COACH ALSO!!! LOSING THERE BEST PLAYER THE START OF THE YEAR HAS KILLED WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT YEAR!!!
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 7, 2019 12:41:12 GMT -5
I would say they lost ONE of their best players. Their top five would probably start anywhere locally. Then they had at least four more that could contribute solidly. This year to date surprises me. I expected one of the better years since Schwemley has been in Shelby. 🤔🤷♂️
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Post by dude on Feb 7, 2019 13:00:37 GMT -5
I would say they lost ONE of their best players. Their top five would probably start anywhere locally. Then they had at least four more that could contribute solidly. This year to date surprises me. I expected one of the better years since Schwemley has been in Shelby. 🤔🤷♂️ I can agree with some of this. The lost player is without doubt a big hit to the team but is one of the top 3 guys for sure. BUT the 5 players that would have been the normal starters without the injury would not start on every local team. If they truly had the best 5 players in the area and 4 solid bench players they would not be 8-10 right now. They do not have the top 5 players in their own conference.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 7, 2019 13:36:28 GMT -5
The top five starting anywhere ought to be interpreted as (in my understanding):
Any of Shelby's full-strength starters would be able to, at minimum, be the #5 starter for most every team in the area. Not to say they would usurp all five starters on any team, but that they could at least make a case that even their fifth starter could scrap for a spot against another team's fifth starter. I don't know, I haven't seen a game this year.
I have not taken in a game this year, but from what I know, it isn't foolish to think that for the top 3 guys. Purely based on scores, beating Lexington by 12 and losing to Mansfield Senior by 6 without a key starter shows this team had some rumblings of a pretty good season. Unfortunately, sometimes 1 + 1 equals less than 2.
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Post by homewrecker on Feb 7, 2019 14:30:15 GMT -5
There are coaches that can get average kids to do great things. And there are coaches that can tear down teams with very good athletes and underachieve. IMO Shelby’s coach falls into the latter.
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Post by bballguy on Feb 7, 2019 16:48:02 GMT -5
There are coaches that can get average kids to do great things. And there are coaches that can tear down teams with very good athletes and underachieve. IMO Shelby’s coach falls into the latter. Don't know about Shelby's coach, but the statement is true.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 7, 2019 17:59:29 GMT -5
I would say they lost ONE of their best players. Their top five would probably start anywhere locally. Then they had at least four more that could contribute solidly. This year to date surprises me. I expected one of the better years since Schwemley has been in Shelby. 🤔🤷♂️ I can agree with some of this. The lost player is without doubt a big hit to the team but is one of the top 3 guys for sure. BUT the 5 players that would have been the normal starters without the injury would not start on every local team. If they truly had the best 5 players in the area and 4 solid bench players they would not be 8-10 right now. They do not have the top 5 players in their own conference. I was not implying that Shelby’s starting five would collectively displace any other team’s starting five. I meant if any one of them transferred to another school in the area they would have been that school’s number five at a minimum. The way you interpreted my statement would require Shelby’s number five to be better than every school’s number one.
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Post by 4 on Feb 7, 2019 22:58:36 GMT -5
Shelby has been fun to watch at times. Pugh is a top 3 player in league. Will be the best over next couple years. Him and Griffin Shaver give the moac some nice 2021 prospects.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 8, 2019 0:18:00 GMT -5
I can agree with some of this. The lost player is without doubt a big hit to the team but is one of the top 3 guys for sure. BUT the 5 players that would have been the normal starters without the injury would not start on every local team. If they truly had the best 5 players in the area and 4 solid bench players they would not be 8-10 right now. They do not have the top 5 players in their own conference. I was not implying that Shelby’s starting five would collectively displace any other team’s starting five. I meant if any one of them transferred to another school in the area they would have been that school’s number five at a minimum. The way you interpreted my statement would require Shelby’s number five to be better than every school’s number one. We'll have to disagree. Amstutz isn't a basketball player and Stephens isn't special. Neither would start or be the first couple off the bench for Mansfield Senior or Lex. Neither would start for of Clear Fork. Their 5 starters are all far superior shooters. I doubt either would start for Willard or Norwalk. Not sure about CC or Upper. Stephens is not better than Ontario's 3 guards. Wednesday night Amstutz didn't look better than Ontario's inside starters. They both play MUCH MUCH harder.
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Post by dude on Feb 8, 2019 9:45:28 GMT -5
I can agree with some of this. The lost player is without doubt a big hit to the team but is one of the top 3 guys for sure. BUT the 5 players that would have been the normal starters without the injury would not start on every local team. If they truly had the best 5 players in the area and 4 solid bench players they would not be 8-10 right now. They do not have the top 5 players in their own conference. I was not implying that Shelby’s starting five would collectively displace any other team’s starting five. I meant if any one of them transferred to another school in the area they would have been that school’s number five at a minimum. The way you interpreted my statement would require Shelby’s number five to be better than every school’s number one. I apologize, I did read your post incorrectly but I still think you are wrong. I agree on the top three players who could crack most area teams starting lineup. After that we could argue the guard but I doubt the big football kid could be a starter and for most he would not see the floor.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 8, 2019 12:52:35 GMT -5
I was not implying that Shelby’s starting five would collectively displace any other team’s starting five. I meant if any one of them transferred to another school in the area they would have been that school’s number five at a minimum. The way you interpreted my statement would require Shelby’s number five to be better than every school’s number one. I apologize, I did read your post incorrectly but I still think you are wrong. I agree on the top three players who could crack most area teams starting lineup. After that we could argue the guard but I doubt the big football kid could be a starter and for most he would not see the floor. Agree on the big man. He might be a stretch currently as he plays. If someone would teach him to be more physical and a few basic post moves that would change. I’m also not sure he’d be in my top 5 I was referring to. My point was there were no big liabilities in the top 5 and around four solid subs. That’s better than Shelby has had for some time.
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Post by dude on Feb 8, 2019 13:55:16 GMT -5
Agree on the big man. He might be a stretch currently as he plays. If someone would teach him to be more physical and a few basic post moves that would change. I’m also not sure he’d be in my top 5 I was referring to. My point was there were no big liabilities in the top 5 and around four solid subs. That’s better than Shelby has had for some time. That is a little different than what you first said.
"Their top five would probably start anywhere locally. Then they had at least four more that could contribute solidly. "
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 8, 2019 16:31:40 GMT -5
Agree on the big man. He might be a stretch currently as he plays. If someone would teach him to be more physical and a few basic post moves that would change. I’m also not sure he’d be in my top 5 I was referring to. My point was there were no big liabilities in the top 5 and around four solid subs. That’s better than Shelby has had for some time. That is a little different than what you first said.
"Their top five would probably start anywhere locally. Then they had at least four more that could contribute solidly. "I stand my my initial statement except I’d change the would to could. The only reason I’d make that change is because, as I said in my last post, Amstutz would need taught some basic post moves to crack some team’s top five.
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Post by gt1975 on Feb 8, 2019 21:23:04 GMT -5
ON 70 GT 55
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