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Post by galion on Aug 29, 2016 21:27:32 GMT -5
You bust on our secondary a little too much considering they gave up "0" points. Now do we need to work on our secondary...Hell Yeah! We do, but until we get scorched in a game by the pass, lets give them a little credit. I'll probably be eating my words after this game. But right now I'm gonna stick up for my boys, they are pitching a shut out. Ask yourself why we gave up "0" points in the secondary for a moment. Was it because of coverage? Or was it because of poor throws and dropped balls?
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Post by galiontiger on Aug 30, 2016 5:12:24 GMT -5
Well you and I do agree on this one in theory. But you have to consider that we are very young too, it doesn't matter what division you are, if you are very young you are suppose to struggle against the more experienced teams. But you are right, I'll be very disappointed if we don't go into Cardington and take care of business. Also this isn't us being a Division 3 going against a Division 6. This is a 5 against a 6. I saw Edison (who went very far in the playoffs last year play (I think) play a Division 6 or 7 team last year who gave them all they could handle, in fact I watched the game on HUDL; they should have won.) Overall I will agree with you, but we need to win this game to get on a roll into our division.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 5:38:51 GMT -5
Well you and I do agree on this one in theory. But you have to consider that we are very young too, it doesn't matter what division you are, if you are very young you are suppose to struggle against the more experienced teams. Tell that to the Buckeyes.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 30, 2016 20:49:59 GMT -5
Hmmmm! Beating a team that is suppose to go 8-2, and most people are predicting to beat you (go in and check everyone's pic on the MOAC), I'd say that's sending a slight message. I mean who do we need to beat then? What would you have to do..beat a Jonathan Alder "half-way" thru the season? It's a little late then I would think. If we beat Cardington 55-24? Is that sending a message? 68-14? Would that be sending a message? All respected coaches are NOT worried about "sending messages". One thing and one thing only is worried about. Win one game at a time. It does not matter if you win by by 1 point or 50 points.
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Post by galiontiger on Aug 30, 2016 21:06:56 GMT -5
Well your statement validates mine above about our secondary. It makes no difference if it was badly overthrown passes, dropped balls or great coverage, Bucyrus still scored "0" points against our secondary. One thing and one thing only that a head coach is worried about - a win. Take it one game at a time. You said it. I think we are going to be ok.
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Post by galion on Aug 30, 2016 23:22:55 GMT -5
That's funny. That's what everyone kept telling me last year for the first 3 weeks of the season. It doesn't matter who you're playing or what mistakes are being made. We gave up "0" points. And then the JA and BV games happened and everybody's tune changed. Because then all of those mistakes started to matter really fast, quick, and in a hurry.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 3:10:50 GMT -5
Can a team get better playing bad teams? Or does it just give the perception they are better.
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Post by galion on Aug 31, 2016 4:42:18 GMT -5
It's a case by case thing. I think that in Galion's case this season we have a number of new and unproven players(especially along both lines) that any experience is a good thing. Eventually though, in 2 weeks they will have to start lining up against the big boys. Last season we had a number of returning starters and it made them complacent and overconfident. Only time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 7:20:43 GMT -5
I suppose I thought the scrimmage schedule was for that. Once games hit you need to be ready but I can see your point.
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Post by galiontiger on Aug 31, 2016 8:29:37 GMT -5
I agree with you Galion. This year though we've had tough scrimmage teams we faced. Though last year we had more proven talent and actually went into Shelby and beat them by one touchdown. I think if I remember right it was 2-1 by half. But the schedule last year did us no favors, 3 push over teams...Bucyrus, some Christian school (who didn't even count for points) and Keystone. The 3 things are different this year though: 1. We got beat the hell up in the scrimmage games. Hopefully learning some things. 2. We actually have an opponent that people are saying are going to beat us this week, so our secondary will be tested. (Then you can talk. ha!) We still have Keystone before Buckeye Valley which is not going to help us at all this year. AND the final point, everyone forgets or doesn't know because they never watched all the games like I did. By the time we hit Buckeye Valley and Jonathan Alder last year, we didn't have any type of passing game. Chase didn't start in the Buckeye Valley game. His basic first full game was Jonathan Alder, and I think our coach even flipped him in and out of that game, if I remember right because the score was like 38-14 by the end or somewhere around there. This year by the time we hit Buckeye Valley, we will have a much better passing game ready to go, so they are going to have to defend all areas of our team and not just try and shut our run down. We will be so much inexperienced than last years team though. We will see how we will hold up. It will be interesting.
I'm going to tell you my reason on why we have started to run better now. It's only a guess, because it was Bucyrus last week. I want you to watch my boy, "BIG SHOW" #71 at right guard. The coach moved him to the offensive line for the first game against Bucyrus. He's 6'4" 280. He's a lineman no one has ever heard about. I got him on film pushing his guy 14 yards down the field and into the end zone while our running back shoots into the end zone. I got him on another play running 30 yards down the field blocking for our running back when he runs for another touchdown. What a great addition to our line. Our line is really starting to play as a unit. They were very impressive last week..296 yards on the ground. Great job boys!! Please get a win at Cardington this Friday! GO TIGERS!!!
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Post by pirate80 on Aug 31, 2016 8:38:35 GMT -5
I'm surprised that in all the years, that these two schools have never played. Reading this page makes ya feel like it's a rivalry game in a way lol. I don't know how Galion is DV. Have they gotten smaller? They always seemed like a much larger school. Their town is much, much larger. Anyway, go Pirates!
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Post by galiontiger on Aug 31, 2016 11:36:13 GMT -5
I don't know when I moved here last year, I think they dropped from a Div. 4 to a Div. 5. I could be wrong. I think that's what I heard. This will be a great game for both teams. Can our secondary hold up against that great pass offense? Can they stop our run and hold up against a Division 5 team? It's going to be an interesting game. I figure they will either blow us out or it will be a high scoring close game. I can not see us blowing them out. I would be shocked if that happened. That Cardington QB is very good. I saw him at a couple camps and watched his last game on HUDL. He's going to be a handful for us to slow down. I'm hoping our coach comes up with a good game plan against them. I see us double-teaming their All-Ohio receiver at times to limit his touches. I just hope our passing offense can have a big game, if not gonna be a long game for us. I feel we are going to step up and win this big game though. I think we will shock people again with our young players. They are gaining confidence. I saw that as the game went on last week. I hope we put up some good numbers again. Go Tigers!
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Post by GHS 1999 on Aug 31, 2016 11:43:17 GMT -5
Yes, the school has really gotten smaller over the last 15-20 years. Plus the school district doesn't go out nearly as much as Cardington does. As far as why they have never played, my guess is since the MOAC had 10 schools for all those years, there were no ooc openings. In fact prior to 2013, the only MOAC schools Galion had played were Buckeye Valley and Mt. Gilead.
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Post by usa70pp on Aug 31, 2016 14:50:39 GMT -5
From 2000 to 2004 Galion was a 3, from 2005 to 2014 they were a 4 and last year they dropped to 5. From 2000 to 2012 Cardington was a 5. In 2013 they dropped to 6. A "golly gee whiz" post on my part, worth little, if anything, in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by galiontiger on Aug 31, 2016 17:07:15 GMT -5
Oh I went to practice tonight, it looks to me we will see a different "wrinkle" in our game plan. I like it. We will see if it works.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 17:23:03 GMT -5
Remember in 2013 they added a 7th division to football so that was the reason for some schools to change.
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Post by gopirates on Aug 31, 2016 21:30:26 GMT -5
Hey GT- I was at practice too and wow you should have seen the wrinkles we added. It looks like we are going to do something completely different this week. We are going to just focus on throwing the ball to only one guy instead of the four different guys who caught tds last week. Maybe we will try to throw to our all Ohio receiver who didn't catch a td last week. Just messing with you. I hope it will be a great game.
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Post by galiontiger on Sept 1, 2016 1:12:31 GMT -5
Hey GT- I was at practice too and wow you should have seen the wrinkles we added. It looks like we are going to do something completely different this week. We are going to just focus on throwing the ball to only one guy instead of the four different guys who caught tds last week. Maybe we will try to throw to our all Ohio receiver who didn't catch a td last week. Just messing with you. I hope it will be a great game. haha! Funny..good one. We all know you got a huge advantage over us. Hopefully we can just keep it close for four quarters. Our secondary will have its hands full. That's for sure. I do predict that Cardington will face the new Galion Tigers this week. Friday night the league will see how the Tigers will be for the rest of the season...if it works. My prediction.
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Post by galion on Sept 1, 2016 1:59:28 GMT -5
I just hope a couple of the new "wrinkles" involve hitting open receivers and catching the football when it hits their hands. Because if you can't execute the basic fundamentals no "wrinkles" are going to save you. Also, they aren't wrinkles, it's called gameplanning. Remember Coach Dick was the offensive coordinator for Fredericktown and has been gameplanning quite successfully against Cardington for a few years even though they are a brand new opponent for us.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 1, 2016 11:20:46 GMT -5
A new head coach can't put in his entire offense before the season starts. The "new wrinkle" most likely was nothing more than another page of his offense added to their playbook
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Post by presnapread on Sept 1, 2016 12:21:44 GMT -5
Galion 26 - Pirates 19 ..... Only reason it's this close is because Tigers are on the road.
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Post by stanley on Sept 1, 2016 12:28:57 GMT -5
I just hope a couple of the new "wrinkles" involve hitting open receivers and catching the football when it hits their hands. Because if you can't execute the basic fundamentals no "wrinkles" are going to save you. Also, they aren't wrinkles, it's called gameplanning. Remember Coach Dick was the offensive coordinator for Fredericktown and has been gameplanning quite successfully against Cardington for a few years even though they are a brand new opponent for us. Was thinking the exact same thing when it comes to Coach Dick game planning against Cardington.
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Post by galiontiger on Sept 1, 2016 13:46:16 GMT -5
It's also based on something else...and you could have never told me that this would be part of it...before the results of game 1. I don't think anyone knew. If it works, it will be a game changer. Well at least I'm hoping.
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Post by gopirates on Sept 1, 2016 16:49:24 GMT -5
Coach Dick had some very talented kids to work with at Freddyville. Hathaway was a superstar and Smith was a very talented quarterback. 2 years ago they were #1 in Ohio. He had tons of talent to work with. Was he the OC or DC there? Both teams played to week 12 or 13. Last year they had it at Galion but it's not proven talent yet this year. GT's son has lots of potential and played well last year. Big frame and big arm. He will be in that discussion soon. Hopefully it's a couple of weeks after we play. Good luck
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Post by galiontiger on Sept 1, 2016 18:05:58 GMT -5
My son played average last week. He only went 6-12 last week..102 yards. 1 td 1 int. That's why I said on the other subject's post. He's not in the same league as McCarrell yet. That's not saying he won't step up tomorrow night. He did control the game well though, but I expect (demand..ha!) way more than controlling the game. Thank goodness our team played so well together last week, so it didn't rest all on my son. He didn't have to do much last week, because our running game did so well. I told him after the game I could careless if he throws for a lot of yards, if his team just keeps winning. I just want to win.
This game should be one for the records. I know some people on the other post are talking smack saying how small of a team Cardington is. I don't believe them being a Division 6 team means crap. I watched them on film. They are GOOD. We are very young. I don't really know what to expect from our team tomorrow night. I hope we can get out to a lead against you guys. We will see. I just hope for a safe and fun game.
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Post by moacfootballfan on Sept 2, 2016 13:49:30 GMT -5
Your son didn't play that bad of a game actually, he seemed to play confident. There were some puzzlers like the overthrow of the open receiver in the end zone on a short pass (which you mentioned) and the overthrow of the receiver on the deep pass early in the game (the one deep on the sidelines, not the deep end zone throw). But overall, he made some nice moves scrambling and he managed the offense well.
I will say this though and feel free to offer your opinion. He doesn't seem like he is in his comfort zone on the defensive side of the ball.
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Post by galiontiger on Sept 2, 2016 14:07:39 GMT -5
I told him I was extremely happy on how he controlled (or ran) the offense. He looked good, but you are 100% right he has to make those passes. I didn't think the receiver was open though at all. The touchdown miss was so easy I could have made that throw. He doesn't get... you can't overthrow that guy in that situation. Your assessment was spot-on. I respect that.
On defense he's always been a terrible tackler. He's great at sacking the quarterback. But they have him guarding the inside receivers when they go out, but they play zone. I'd put them in man-to-man. We have the speed for it. It seems to me that he's playing soft on defense, trying not to get hurt. I just don't know. He looked better last year, but I've only seen one game. Come talk to me around the 5th game, and we will re-evaluate his play. He's got to start intercepting the ball too. Last 2 practices I saw him at, he's had like 3 interceptions in like 30 plays. He can do that. He's got a HUGE wingspan with HUGE hands. Got to get up and get some of those balls. Ha! I'll be disappointed if by the 5th game he doesn't have at least one or 2 interceptions. I'm excited about tonight. I think our boys are really going to come to play. I sure hope I'm not wrong. Go Tigers!
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Post by moacfootballfan on Sept 2, 2016 16:28:48 GMT -5
The pass I was referring to was the long sideline pass where the ball was thrown to such a location that it was unrealistic for the receiver to catch it (Out of Bounds by just enough to be considered "off-target".
My reference to the defensive play is hard to describe.
Sometimes, you can just tell if someone has that "defensive instinct" or not.
Clearly the coach has him out there on defense because he must be one of the 11 best defensive players on the team and you need to have him out there in that case. But maybe the best word for how his defensive play "appeared" was that he looked to be playing tentatively instead of with that killer instinct that he shows at times on offense.
I don't doubt that he could intercept a few balls. From the passing practice you can tell he has great hands!
Also, when it comes to playing zone over man. Sometimes, when your secondary is suspect and vulnerable, the best thing you can do is play zone and crowd the space somewhat. Plus, it might give us a 2nd chance for a tackle if the 1st guy gets burned
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Post by stanley on Sept 2, 2016 16:51:17 GMT -5
I see your point about zone and you are correct, I just feel at the Highschool level often times kids just end up "covering space" and never really fly the guy in their zone as they should.
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Post by moacfootballfan on Sept 2, 2016 17:50:21 GMT -5
True, but the only thing you can get kids to do sometimes is to just guide them and hope they execute.
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